Let's see where this thing is headed in December before assuming Urbz/Baalke will be a prohibitive measure. 

Right now, they are a stumbling block, but they are only half of the big picture and they could steer from crapfest to "not horrible" by season's end. 

Personally, I want them gone but i bet they get next year to prove themselves or fail.

I agree 100%. Khan is not gonna fire Urban/Baalke this season or probably next season, no matter how bad we finish. We could end the season 1-16 and they are still gonna be retained. That's just Khan's modus operandi and he's not not gonna admit he was wrong, just after declaring "he finally got it right", when he hired these two. If anything, he's gonna keep them around too long and set the team back another year or two. That's just what he does.

I'd wager Khan has learned to have a shorter leash by now, but i just don't think it's "one year" short. 
Urbz won't get Gus Bradley struggle allowances IMO.

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I agree 100%. Khan is not gonna fire Urban/Baalke this season or probably next season, no matter how bad we finish. We could end the season 1-16 and they are still gonna be retained. That's just Khan's modus operandi and he's not not gonna admit he was wrong, just after declaring "he finally got it right", when he hired these two. If anything, he's gonna keep them around too long and set the team back another year or two. That's just what he does.

I'd wager Khan has learned to have a shorter leash by now, but i just don't think it's "one year" short. 
Urbz won't get Gus Bradley struggle allowances IMO.

We shall see.

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Enough with the "ETN was a crap pick"  He got hurt so we do not know what he can contribute.

regardless of whether he got hurt he was a wasted pick. We had an RB on the roster that just set UDFA rookie records, brought in the coach's ol' pal who previously quit on the team, and have 2-3 guys who could serve the same role as the guy we spent a pick on. We spent $21M on a twitchy, gadget-style returner who could mimic Etienne's role as well.  It was a bad pick, even if the kid was still healthy and sitting on the bench like every other rookie not named Trevor.

Unless he makes JRob, Viska and/or Agnew expendable, it was a bad pick.

Period.

Exactly right.

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The only thing Baalke deserves is a quick handshake as we show him the door, on his way to being dismissed.

I'm not entirely sure he's earned the handshake.

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when you have a vacuum at linebacker and Jawann Taylor protecting the future of your franchise, a gadget player is a luxury pick that we had no business purchasing. We already had plenty of guys on the squad who could serve those roles, and as soon as he was hurt, found another on the street in Tavon Austin.

I think you'll be lucky to see 10 touches a game from him once he's healthy.

Etienne is no gadget player, he is an elite RB that you can spread out as well.  The only thing is our best player is a RB.  2 top backs has been working pretty good for the Browns though and we have to run our offense like the Browns plus try to get JRob and Etienne on the field at the same time.  If Etienne is 100% next year we will have the best RB duo in the league imo with the Browns a close 2nd and will be huge for Trev

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

Etienne is no gadget player, he is an elite RB that you can spread out as well.  The only thing is our best player is a RB.  2 top backs has been working pretty good for the Browns though and we have to run our offense like the Browns plus try to get JRob and Etienne on the field at the same time.  If Etienne is 100% next year we will have the best RB duo in the league imo with the Browns a close 2nd and will be huge for Trev

I swear he really thinks the guy went to Florida. There's no other explanation for the man crush.

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Baalke deserves the kind of credit they sell at Aaron's.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Hard to judge a rookie hurt in preseason. I’m more keen to judge on the pick of Campbell over Asante Samuel jr.

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Didn't improve the O-line
No TE until Arnold
Rookies have done nothing outside of Lawrence
RRH has done nothing
Manhertz barely plays
Used a first on a RB when we already have a good one

1-5

1 win and people deserve more credit? lol

We will probably disagree about the late round value for RB picks, but I think we should give time for this one to be fair. If Etienne becomes a Kamara like stud (heavy pass game usage, line up at WR and catches the ball) then I will be happy. We may have Robinson, but we hardly use him in the passing game; I think we should more but if the previous scenario happens, we can keep robinson more fresh on passing down next year which would be nice.

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I swear he really thinks the guy went to Florida. There's no other explanation for the man crush.

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Baalke deserves the kind of credit they sell at Aaron's.

It's called watching him play the last 4 years.  There's a reason he is the ACC all time leading rusher and done it behind a oline that wasn't very good.  He has pretty much  everything you want out of your back.  He's fast, explosive, good blocker, and was the best receiving back in college last year.  What part of his game do you not like? He wasn't who I wanted because we have Robinson but I know he's a great back from watching him play at Clemson the last 4 years

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Looks like NFL.com had him as the 10th highest rated prospect and we got him at 25. You should of watched him at Clemson and you would know what type of back he is

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects/

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I swear he really thinks the guy went to Florida. There's no other explanation for the man crush.

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Baalke deserves the kind of credit they sell at Aaron's.

It's called watching him play the last 4 years.  There's a reason he is the ACC all time leading rusher and done it behind a oline that wasn't very good.  He has pretty much  everything you want out of your back.  He's fast, explosive, good blocker, and was the best receiving back in college last year.  What part of his game do you not like?  He wasn't who I wanted because we have Robinson but I know he's a great back from watching him play at Clemson the last 4 years

The part of his game I don't like is his 3rd round value.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

It's called watching him play the last 4 years.  There's a reason he is the ACC all time leading rusher and done it behind a oline that wasn't very good.  He has pretty much  everything you want out of your back.  He's fast, explosive, good blocker, and was the best receiving back in college last year.  What part of his game do you not like?  He wasn't who I wanted because we have Robinson but I know he's a great back from watching him play at Clemson the last 4 years

The part of his game I don't like is his 3rd round value.

That's a different argument, nobody said anything about value.  I said he's a great back. The 10th highest rated player is a 3 round value?  Ok lol

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The part of his game I don't like is his 3rd round value.

That's a different argument, nobody said anything about value.  I said he's a great back. The 10th highest rated player is a 3 round value?  Ok lol

Dude... he was a 3rd round talent.

Now? With the injury he had? He's a 7th round, border line UDFA talent.

Robinson is heads and shoulders above what he could ever have been anyway. Proved it in the NFL.

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That's a different argument, nobody said anything about value.  I said he's a great back. The 10th highest rated player is a 3 round value?  Ok lol

Dude... he was a 3rd round talent.

Now? With the injury he had? He's a 7th round, border line UDFA talent.

Robinson is heads and shoulders above what he could ever have been anyway. Proved it in the NFL.

And JRob was a UDFA, because good RBs can be found throughout the draft, you don't need to waste premium picks on pedestrian positions.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Luke Farrell ...contributor now

Really?   5 receptions 46 yards and 1 fumble.

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Dude... he was a 3rd round talent.

Now? With the injury he had? He's a 7th round, border line UDFA talent.

Robinson is heads and shoulders above what he could ever have been anyway. Proved it in the NFL.

And JRob was a UDFA, because good RBs can be found throughout the draft, you don't need to waste premium picks on pedestrian positions.

So True !!  Just look at Cowboys Tony Pollard 4th round pick out of Memphis in 2019 who most could argue is actually better than Zeke right now, who was drafted with the #4 pick in round 1.

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Dude... he was a 3rd round talent.

Now? With the injury he had? He's a 7th round, border line UDFA talent.

Robinson is heads and shoulders above what he could ever have been anyway. Proved it in the NFL.

And JRob was a UDFA, because good RBs can be found throughout the draft, you don't need to waste premium picks on pedestrian positions.

Of all the dumb moves made by the FO, this was the most egregious. Baalke has been here, he knew what we had. Unless Etienne can function more in the role as a utilityman, it was an utterly squandered pick. Even if that is the case, we still lost tremendous value.

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Luke Farrell ...contributor now

Really?   5 receptions 46 yards and 1 fumble.

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And JRob was a UDFA, because good RBs can be found throughout the draft, you don't need to waste premium picks on pedestrian positions.

So True !!  Just look at Cowboys Tony Pollard 4th round pick out of Memphis in 2019 who most could argue is actually better than Zeke right now, who was drafted with the #4 pick in round 1.

For a 5th round TE, he made the 53 and has been active and a contributor in all games thus far this season. I am not promoting him as an all-star....just labeling him a contributor.

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Enough with the "ETN was a crap pick"  He got hurt so we do not know what he can contribute.

Even if he's good it was a bad pick. Jrob is a bad man. We didn't need first round RB.
TE, OL, pass rusher, LB, or DB would all have been a better pick.
It wasn't about ETN it's about roster management. They are bad at it

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Yes, what offensive player would want to work with Lawrence? 
Noboby, right?

Not with the current front office and coaching staff which seem to make weekly blunders.

Pssh. $ talks.

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Yes, what offensive player would want to work with Lawrence? 
Noboby, right?

Not with the current front office and coaching staff which seem to make weekly blunders.

money still be green last time I checked. Sure we might miss on the last gasp free agent looking to sign somewhere to get a ring, but we can get the last laugh when we knock them out of the playoffs in 2023

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Enough with the "ETN was a crap pick"  He got hurt so we do not know what he can contribute.

I don't know if anyone called it a crap pick although a lot of people questioned the value at that point. I still do although when he's healthy the one two potential of Robinson and ETN is intriguing as hell.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you. 
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Looks like NFL.com had him as the 10th highest rated prospect and we got him at 25.  You should of watched him at Clemson and you would know what type of back he is

https://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker/prospects/

So?

Well, if he is an "elite RB" like you said why was he drafted to be a gadget player?  if he is an "elite RB" we can expect him to steal the starting RB position from Robinson next year and have a similar stats to Elliot in his first year, or Barkley, or AP.

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.