This year is going to have a big influence on our ability to attract free agents going forward. If the new staff is effective and Lawrence begins to consistently display his potential, taxes and beaches will be the bonus and not the selling points.

This sentiment that 'nobody wants to play for Jacksonville' is ridiculous.  If we outbid another team, high-priced free agents will play here.

The notion that money trumps everything is ridiculous and one sided. Maybe that is the case for some people, but not most people. Personally, you could offer me a billion dollars to move to NYC and I'd turn it down. There is no amount of money in the world to make me wanna live there. Money just isn't that important to me. It's nice, but as long as I have enough to pay my bills and have a little extra, I'd rather be happy and live far from the city. I bet winning matters a lot more to most players than who offers them the biggest contract.

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This sentiment that 'nobody wants to play for Jacksonville' is ridiculous.  If we outbid another team, high-priced free agents will play here.

But, for like the six thousandth time, we are not competing with the other crappy teams that have a lot of cap space this year. The salary cap went up an enormous amount because the year before was flat after the covid season. We are now competing with basically every team except maybe the Saints and Packers (but even they can create a lot of cap if they really want to).

It's no longer do I want to go to this sucky team that has bad weather and high taxes vs Jacksonville's sucky team that has beaches and no state tax. They simply aren't going to choose us over any number of contenders that can also be the high bidder and isn't being led by the most hated man in the league and hasn't had two regimes in a row saying we are toxic by the NFLPA.

Whatever, it's not worth rehashing every time someone ignores these facts. We'll see if I'm right in less than a month. I think everyone is going to be sorely disappointed.

That's not addressing what I said at all.  If we ARE the highest bidder, they will come here.  We'll probably have to overpay more than another team, but they'll come.

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But, for like the six thousandth time, we are not competing with the other crappy teams that have a lot of cap space this year. The salary cap went up an enormous amount because the year before was flat after the covid season. We are now competing with basically every team except maybe the Saints and Packers (but even they can create a lot of cap if they really want to).

It's no longer do I want to go to this sucky team that has bad weather and high taxes vs Jacksonville's sucky team that has beaches and no state tax. They simply aren't going to choose us over any number of contenders that can also be the high bidder and isn't being led by the most hated man in the league and hasn't had two regimes in a row saying we are toxic by the NFLPA.

Whatever, it's not worth rehashing every time someone ignores these facts. We'll see if I'm right in less than a month. I think everyone is going to be sorely disappointed.

That's not addressing what I said at all.  If we ARE the highest bidder, they will come here.  We'll probably have to overpay more than another team, but they'll come.

It is. If we are the highest bidder and we overpay more than anyone else, I still don't think they will come here. If they have any options what so ever, I believe they will take a little less money and play for a better team with less organizational turmoil.

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This sentiment that 'nobody wants to play for Jacksonville' is ridiculous.  If we outbid another team, high-priced free agents will play here.

The notion that money trumps everything is ridiculous and one sided. Maybe that is the case for some people, but not most people. Personally, you could offer me a billion dollars to move to NYC and I'd turn it down. There is no amount of money in the world to make me wanna live there. Money just isn't that important to me. It's nice, but as long as I have enough to pay my bills and have a little extra, I'd rather be happy and live far from the city. I bet winning matters a lot more to most players than who offers them the biggest contract.

So saying that no high priced free agent is going to want to come here isn't equally as one-sided...if not moreso?

I'm sorry, personal references are pretty invalid.  You aren't a highly paid professional athlete and never will be, so you're on the outside looking in when you make a reference like that.  Let alone the fact that all of the athlete's are individual and each one is going to feel differently about each situation.

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That's not addressing what I said at all.  If we ARE the highest bidder, they will come here.  We'll probably have to overpay more than another team, but they'll come.

It is. If we are the highest bidder and we overpay more than anyone else, I still don't think they will come here. If they have any options what so ever, I believe they will take a little less money and play for a better team with less organizational turmoil.

No it isn't.  You may be addressing that.  He didn't.

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No it isn't.  You may be addressing that.  He didn't.

I simply do not believe it is realistic that with 30 other teams flush with cap space that we will be able to outbid every other team by such a large margin that players will eschew the reasons to sign with other teams and the valid reasons not to sign with us.

It's not like a normal year where maybe 5 or 6 teams can afford to sign X elite FA, and 2 of them already have good players at that position, so we're competing with only a couple other teams and the reason they have a lot of cap space is because they are also a crappy team like us. Then our good weather and beaches and no state tax might win out.

Trust me, I hope I'm wrong, but I fear that people severely underestimate how toxic Jax is right now. Which is understandable no one wants to think that the team they root for is toxic.

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The notion that money trumps everything is ridiculous and one sided. Maybe that is the case for some people, but not most people. Personally, you could offer me a billion dollars to move to NYC and I'd turn it down. There is no amount of money in the world to make me wanna live there. Money just isn't that important to me. It's nice, but as long as I have enough to pay my bills and have a little extra, I'd rather be happy and live far from the city. I bet winning matters a lot more to most players than who offers them the biggest contract.

So saying that no high priced free agent is going to want to come here isn't equally as one-sided...if not moreso?

I'm sorry, personal references are pretty invalid.  You aren't a highly paid professional athlete and never will be, so you're on the outside looking in when you make a reference like that.  Let alone the fact that all of the athlete's are individual and each one is going to feel differently about each situation.

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It is. If we are the highest bidder and we overpay more than anyone else, I still don't think they will come here. If they have any options what so ever, I believe they will take a little less money and play for a better team with less organizational turmoil.

No it isn't.  You may be addressing that.  He didn't.

So you actually believe that more money trumps the fact that we have a long history of being losers, our owner is completely clueless, our GM is hated and has a history of making bad moves and can't get along with anyone and that certain high profile players who left here are constantly bad mouthing this team and saying how unfairly the were treated? Man, you are in for a rude awakening.

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So saying that no high priced free agent is going to want to come here isn't equally as one-sided...if not moreso?

I'm sorry, personal references are pretty invalid.  You aren't a highly paid professional athlete and never will be, so you're on the outside looking in when you make a reference like that.  Let alone the fact that all of the athlete's are individual and each one is going to feel differently about each situation.

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No it isn't.  You may be addressing that.  He didn't.

So you actually believe that more money trumps the fact that we have a long history of being losers, our owner is completely clueless, our GM is hated and has a history of making bad moves and can't get along with anyone and that certain high profile players who left here are constantly bad mouthing this team and saying how unfairly the were treated? Man, you are in for a rude awakening.

I guess we'll see won't we?

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This sentiment that 'nobody wants to play for Jacksonville' is ridiculous.  If we outbid another team, high-priced free agents will play here.

The notion that money trumps everything is ridiculous and one sided. Maybe that is the case for some people, but not most people. Personally, you could offer me a billion dollars to move to NYC and I'd turn it down. There is no amount of money in the world to make me wanna live there. Money just isn't that important to me. It's nice, but as long as I have enough to pay my bills and have a little extra, I'd rather be happy and live far from the city. I bet winning matters a lot more to most players than who offers them the biggest contract.

Your point about not wanting to live in NYC is a good one. I agree that I'd never want to live there. However, I believe your argument supports the notion why a free agent would strongly consider Jacksonville. The climate here is a huge plus as there are several people who want no part of the frigid winters which most NFL cities have. Quality of life is a huge factor and not many people enjoy driving in the snow or having to be outside in the freezing weather. Jacksonville obviously does not have the same cultural advantages of a NYC or LA, however it is clearly vastly improved from years ago when there was no professional team here. Just take a look at the concerts which have taken place here just prior to COVID. Being able to go golfing/fishing 12 months a year also is evidence of a positive quality of life.

The argument about choosing a winning team is definitely something to be considered. The Jaguars have been a disaster for close to 15 years, with the exception of 2017. However, everyone knows that this team has never had a quarterback with the ability of Trevor Lawrence nor a coach with the resume of Pederson. While it is totally unrealistic to believe that the Jaguars will be playoff-bound next season. it is not too far-fetched to convince a free agent that the Jaguars of 2023-24 could possibly replicate what the Bengals did last season. One can nit-pick about the difference in talent between these teams, however I believe the current team has more talent than they are given credit for. Walker Little, Andre Cisco and Tyson Campbell may turn out to be key parts of this roster once they gain experience and have the benefit of better coaching. If we draft Aiden Hutchinson, he and Josh Allen should provide an excellent pass rush which will make things much easier for the secondary. With the large salary cap, it is not inconceivable that they could add 3 very good players at positions of need such as receiver, tight end and offensive line. What they are unable to accomplish in free agency can be addressed in the draft by having the first pick in every round. I don't expect every need to be addressed this off-season, however even the Super Bowl Bengals got there with a poor offensive line. 

I totally understand the great frustration among our fan-base. Fifteen years is a a long time to only have one winning team. Being a season ticket-holder since day 1, my frustration is equal to or greater than even the most negative people on this board. However, having been a fan of the NFL for over 50 years, I remember how bad the Steelers, Patriots and Bucs- to name just 3- have been during their extended losing seasons. Now that the Jaguars finally have a franchise quarterback, I believe they will be turning things around. Khan will be hiring someone above Baalke, so the argument that he will prevent the team from acquiring good talent will not be legitimate going forward.

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So you actually believe that more money trumps the fact that we have a long history of being losers, our owner is completely clueless, our GM is hated and has a history of making bad moves and can't get along with anyone and that certain high profile players who left here are constantly bad mouthing this team and saying how unfairly the were treated? Man, you are in for a rude awakening.

I guess we'll see won't we?

I guess so.

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Money wont Trump everything for these guys over 30 that will be ring chasing but for these guys in their 20s looking for their 1st or 2nd extension, money will be number 1.

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The notion that money trumps everything is ridiculous and one sided. Maybe that is the case for some people, but not most people. Personally, you could offer me a billion dollars to move to NYC and I'd turn it down. There is no amount of money in the world to make me wanna live there. Money just isn't that important to me. It's nice, but as long as I have enough to pay my bills and have a little extra, I'd rather be happy and live far from the city. I bet winning matters a lot more to most players than who offers them the biggest contract.

Your point about not wanting to live in NYC is a good one. I agree that I'd never want to live there. However, I believe your argument supports the notion why a free agent would strongly consider Jacksonville. The climate here is a huge plus as there are several people who want no part of the frigid winters which most NFL cities have. Quality of life is a huge factor and not many people enjoy driving in the snow or having to be outside in the freezing weather. Jacksonville obviously does not have the same cultural advantages of a NYC or LA, however it is clearly vastly improved from years ago when there was no professional team here. Just take a look at the concerts which have taken place here just prior to COVID. Being able to go golfing/fishing 12 months a year also is evidence of a positive quality of life.

The argument about choosing a winning team is definitely something to be considered. The Jaguars have been a disaster for close to 15 years, with the exception of 2017. However, everyone knows that this team has never had a quarterback with the ability of Trevor Lawrence nor a coach with the resume of Pederson. While it is totally unrealistic to believe that the Jaguars will be playoff-bound next season. it is not too far-fetched to convince a free agent that the Jaguars of 2023-24 could possibly replicate what the Bengals did last season. One can nit-pick about the difference in talent between these teams, however I believe the current team has more talent than they are given credit for. Walker Little, Andre Cisco and Tyson Campbell may turn out to be key parts of this roster once they gain experience and have the benefit of better coaching. If we draft Aiden Hutchinson, he and Josh Allen should provide an excellent pass rush which will make things much easier for the secondary. With the large salary cap, it is not inconceivable that they could add 3 very good players at positions of need such as receiver, tight end and offensive line. What they are unable to accomplish in free agency can be addressed in the draft by having the first pick in every round. I don't expect every need to be addressed this off-season, however even the Super Bowl Bengals got there with a poor offensive line. 

I totally understand the great frustration among our fan-base. Fifteen years is a a long time to only have one winning team. Being a season ticket-holder since day 1, my frustration is equal to or greater than even the most negative people on this board. However, having been a fan of the NFL for over 50 years, I remember how bad the Steelers, Patriots and Bucs- to name just 3- have been during their extended losing seasons. Now that the Jaguars finally have a franchise quarterback, I believe they will be turning things around. Khan will be hiring someone above Baalke, so the argument that he will prevent the team from acquiring good talent will not be legitimate going forward.

Will he though? Khan is taking his sweet time even though the all-star games have ended, the Combine is in a matter of weeks and the draft and free agency are rapidly approaching. Not to mention that he said he intends on hiring an EVP, even though he has not explained what the hierarchy would actually be. For all we know, the EVP would answer to the GM. The actual structure is set by individual teams and we have no clue what that will be or even if we will have an EVP before the draft.

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Money wont Trump everything for these guys over 30 that will be ring chasing but for these guys in their 20s looking for their 1st or 2nd extension, money will be number 1.

Money is number 1, but it's going to take a lot more money than anyone else is offering for it to be the only factor. Let's use Marcus Williams since he is young and the Saints don't have much money, so hopefully he'll hit the market. Say he has 6-10 offers in the $15M AAV range, I think that will be likely considering his age and how many teams have a ton of cap space. How much money do you think we will have to offer him to get him to have money as the sole reason to pick us over any number of contenders? 18M AAV with like 40M guaranteed?

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I would trade up for Linderbaum. He would give Trevor his center for the next 10-15 years.

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I would trade up for Linderbaum. He would give Trevor his center for the next 10-15 years.

I love Linderbaum, but I believe he is gonna go really high, so the price tag would be huge. Given the state of the Giants, I could see them taking an OT at #5 and then selecting Linderbaum at #7. He's that good.

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Linderbaum already told Austin Gayle that he is going to come in significantly smaller than his listed height/weight at Iowa. 6'2" 290. That's....really small. Whoever takes him top 20 is going to be disappointed.

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=12ZsnyLoEHk

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Linderbaum already told Austin Gayle that he is going to come in significantly smaller than his listed height/weight at Iowa. 6'2" 290. That's....really small. Whoever takes him top 20 is going to be disappointed.

Really? That would be concerning.

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Linderbaum already told Austin Gayle that he is going to come in significantly smaller than his listed height/weight at Iowa. 6'2" 290. That's....really small. Whoever takes him top 20 is going to be disappointed.

Did he say why?

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Money is one factor only. The players that ONLY think of the money coming here will not be the ones we want or need. They will be coming for a Florida vacation. I am expecting this year to be a struggle in the free agent market once again. I agree the older players given the chance would rather play for a contender now during the last years of their careers and not spend them during a roster rebuild. The wild card is can Doug and his staff attract a few for us. People will play for coaches they are comfortable with at the end of the day.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Money is one factor only.  The players that ONLY think of the money coming here will not be the ones we want or need. They will be coming for a Florida vacation.  I am expecting this year to be a struggle in the free agent market once again. I agree the older players given the chance would rather play for a contender now during the last years of their careers and not spend them during a roster rebuild.  The wild card is can Doug and his staff attract a few for us.  People will play for coaches they are comfortable with at the end of the day.

That is a reasonable expectation under the circumstances.

However, there may be a chance-admittedly small-that there are players who may think the Jaguars are on the verge of building something good.  We just drafted TL last year, hired Doug Pederson this year,and maybe they think they can be a part of a good team within a year or two.  Naturally I can't speak for Zach Ertz, bu he's played his entire career under Pederson's offense.  Maybe he feels he could be the most productive in his last years in the league in that same offense with a talented young QB, whereas he wouldn't want to come here or have been traded here just last year.

I think the Pederson hire gives this organization some credibiity.  Hopefully this isn't Nyquil fueled homerism talking.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!