I would keep Agnew for his speed Over viska or treadwell.

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Since 2019, Treadwell has been making less than $1m base per year.  In the past 2 seasons, for both Atlanta and Jacksonville, he spent time on their respective practice squads.  I think the board is overvaluing Treadwell, as a former 1st round draft pick.  Yes, he caught 30 balls last year for 410 yards, when Trevor had virtually no one else to throw to.  If the Jags take a WR with a higher pick, I don't think Treadwell makes the roster.

Agreed.

I'd much rather keep Shenault over Treadwell.

I think the 6 should be (in no specific order)..

Kirk
Marvin
Zay
Viska
Rookie
Agnew

Treadwell can hang around on the PS, if he's still eligible.

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I would keep Agnew for his speed Over viska or treadwell.

It's not a choice you'd have to make IMO, as Agnew makes the squad as the return specialist. 

Viska could easily beat out Treadwell with a good preseason showing IMO. 

While it's possible Treadwell is finally somehow coming into his own after years of struggling, I think Shenault returning to his rookie form is more likely than Treadwell's late season showing to become his new norm. 

Hopefully they both play very well and make decisions difficult come August.

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I would keep Agnew for his speed Over viska or treadwell.

It's not a choice you'd have to make IMO, as Agnew makes the squad as the return specialist. 

Viska could easily beat out Treadwell with a good preseason showing IMO. 

While it's possible Treadwell is finally somehow coming into his own after years of struggling, I think Shenault returning to his rookie form is more likely than Treadwell's late season showing to become his new norm. 

Hopefully they both play very well and make decisions difficult come August.

So you're keeping a 6th WR and Agnew over an extra OL or DL?

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Since 2019, Treadwell has been making less than $1m base per year.  In the past 2 seasons, for both Atlanta and Jacksonville, he spent time on their respective practice squads.  I think the board is overvaluing Treadwell, as a former 1st round draft pick.  Yes, he caught 30 balls last year for 410 yards, when Trevor had virtually no one else to throw to.  If the Jags take a WR with a higher pick, I don't think Treadwell makes the roster.

Agreed.

I'd much rather keep Shenault over Treadwell.

I think the 6 should be (in no specific order)..

Kirk
Marvin
Zay
Viska
Rookie
Agnew

Treadwell can hang around on the PS, if he's still eligible.

I agree as well.  I think Rookie, Kirk, Marvin, and Zay are their four primary receivers.  Agnew gets a roster spot largely for special teams.  Viska gets a roster spot to see if he can develop.  Treadwell needs an injury to one of the above to make the 53 man roster.

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It's not a choice you'd have to make IMO, as Agnew makes the squad as the return specialist. 

Viska could easily beat out Treadwell with a good preseason showing IMO. 

While it's possible Treadwell is finally somehow coming into his own after years of struggling, I think Shenault returning to his rookie form is more likely than Treadwell's late season showing to become his new norm. 

Hopefully they both play very well and make decisions difficult come August.

So you're keeping a 6th WR and Agnew over an extra OL or DL?

I'm miles away from considering any such eventuality.  

A million things can happen between now and then. I was simply doubting that Agnew will be on the chopping block when it's time to trim the receiver room down due to his returner value. 

There's dozens of ways this could pan out with or without Agnew, I just have a gut feeling they try to keep him around.

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So you're keeping a 6th WR and Agnew over an extra OL or DL?

I'm miles away from considering any such eventuality.  

A million things can happen between now and then. I was simply doubting that Agnew will be on the chopping block when it's time to trim the receiver room down due to his returner value. 

There's dozens of ways this could pan out with or without Agnew, I just have a gut feeling they try to keep him around.

I agree, I think Agnew is and should be a lock to make the 53. I'm just talking that there's a numbers game regardless.

Teams usually don't keep a guy around who's strictly just a designated return man only though. It's usually a back up WR, CB or RB who's farther down on the depth chart to save a roster spot.

So that's where I think the question comes down to, do you only carry 5 WR with Agnew being the 6th. Or do you heavy stack WR at 6, with keeping Agnew as the emergency 7th while giving up an extra roster spot else where. I think it's a real discussion that should definitely be taking place.

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I'm miles away from considering any such eventuality.  

A million things can happen between now and then. I was simply doubting that Agnew will be on the chopping block when it's time to trim the receiver room down due to his returner value. 

There's dozens of ways this could pan out with or without Agnew, I just have a gut feeling they try to keep him around.

I agree, I think Agnew is and should be a lock to make the 53. I'm just talking that there's a numbers game regardless.

Teams usually don't keep a guy around who's strictly just a designated return man only though. It's usually a back up WR, CB or RB who's farther down on the depth chart to save a roster spot.

Need to see what kind of versatility they have available from their back-up linemen come the end of camp to figure on how many WRs they could afford to keep without stashing one.

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I agree, I think Agnew is and should be a lock to make the 53. I'm just talking that there's a numbers game regardless.

Teams usually don't keep a guy around who's strictly just a designated return man only though. It's usually a back up WR, CB or RB who's farther down on the depth chart to save a roster spot.

Need to see what kind of versatility they have available from their back-up linemen come the end of camp to figure on how many WRs they could afford to keep without stashing one.

Yea fair enough, it's still a little early till we know what happens in the draft, but as per my edit above, it's a real discussion that needs to take place.

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I think the WR core is good enough. Again, it's a TE centric offense with a good mix of RB involvement in the passing game.

This offense will not need a DeAndre Hopkins, DaVante Adams or Cooper Kupp at the X position to make it successful.

I think this team will be relying heavily on it's defense, running game and Lawrence's decision making with the RPO to nickel and dime defenses with the TE position.

I could see Kirk having games where he catches 6 passes for 70 yards and then some games where he catches 4 passes for 120 yards.

The real dirty work is coming from Arnold, Engram, Etienne and Robinson this year. That's the group to really watch in this offense. Now that all of these WR needy teams are loaded up on first round picks?

I wouldn't count on them landing a top prospect. Your pick at 33 is more than likely Watson or Pickens at WR. They may not even be the best player on the board there though.

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The current group of receivers is better than what they had last season- especially since Chark was out due to injury. If they lined up today, the group would consist of:

1. Christian Kirk - mostly in the slot.

2. Marvin Jones- outside possession receiver

3. Zay Jones- same as Marvin Jones.

4. Viska Shennault- back-up slot and occasionally used as a running back.

5. Laquon Treadwell- 3rd outside possession receiver

6. TBD- likely 2nd round draft pick


Obviously, the key to this group will be the player selected in the draft- likely in round 2. As has been noted, now that the Packers and Chiefs are likely to draft a receiver in round 1 the Jaguars will likely be left with the 7th or 8th receiver to be taken. Dotson, Watson and Pickens have commonly be mocked to the Jaguars at 33. Due to the blockbuster trades, only one of these should be available. My guess is that it will be George Pickens since Watson is one of the fastest risers since the Combine and Dotson is a much safer pick than Pickens. Pickens is going to be one of, if not the most discussed receivers in this draft. Some general managers will love him due to his size/speed ratio and toughness which was illustrated by how fast he returned from the ACL injury. Others will hate him due to his inconsistency and temperamental personality. If BaalkePederson are in the former group, I believe his name will be called with pick 33. We already know Baalke has an affinity for players with previous ACL's.

Since Pickens is such an unknown, it's impossible to determine how the Jaguars 2022-23 receivers group will perform as a whole. If Pickens stays healthy and improves his consistency, this group should be very exciting and productive. When one includes Evan Engram and Etienne as other receiving options, this group would be difficult for most defenses to contend with.

Where does that leave Agnew at though? Do you use him as the 6th WR to save a roster spot? Or just keep him simply as the kick/punt return man? 

Teams don't usually keep 7 WRs and they don't usually keep a guy who's only the designated return man, because that extra roster spot is usually better used on OL or DL.

Yea, they could cut Treadwell or possibly trade Viska to a team willing to part with a mid-round pick (unlikely). That would make Agnew their 6th receiver who could be used on a couple end-arounds or gadget plays each week. He should be used primarily as a kick/punt returner which has always been his strength, although he would also be an option for more time at receiver if a starter gets hurt.

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Might not have Viska for much longer:

https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/statu...7560032259

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Might not have Viska for much longer:

https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/statu...7560032259

Please God, let it happen!

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Might not have Viska for much longer:

https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/statu...7560032259

Please God, let it happen!

Lets trade away a 23 year old 2nd year player just so we can continue to complain about the team lacking talent.... Yup, sounds about right.

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Please God, let it happen!

Lets trade away a 23 year old 2nd year player just so we can continue to complain about the team lacking talent.... Yup, sounds about right.

He lacks talent. That's why I want him gone. He should've never been drafted where he was.

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Why help another AFC team unless they overpay.  There is zero reason the Jags need to make this deal unless the Chiefs offer the 1st round pick (29th) the Chiefs got from the Dolphins .. or tell the Chiefs to get lost.

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Why help another AFC team unless they overpay.  There is zero reason the Jags need to make this deal unless the Chiefs offer the 1st round pick (29th) the Chiefs got from the Dolphins .. or tell the Chiefs to get lost.

How would it be helping the Chiefs? We'd be trading them a WR that can't catch. He dropped so many passes last year, it drove me crazy!

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Lets trade away a 23 year old 2nd year player just so we can continue to complain about the team lacking talent.... Yup, sounds about right.

He lacks talent. That's why I want him gone. He should've never been drafted where he was.

Entirely false lol.

But you also think that if we don't draft any of the 10 (out of 400) people you want then it'll be a complete failure anyways so what's the point?

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Why help another AFC team unless they overpay.  There is zero reason the Jags need to make this deal unless the Chiefs offer the 1st round pick (29th) the Chiefs got from the Dolphins .. or tell the Chiefs to get lost.

We didn't even draft him with a first rounder so a 1st based on his first two years is optimistic!

Can't see how we get anything more than a 3rd.

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I'd like to see that trade. We have found decent talent before with undrafted rookies (keelan Cole, James Robinson) and I believe our WR group is solid enough so why not let droppy mcdroperson get another chance with a SB qb and see if mahomes can elevate his game.

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