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#41

(04-11-2022, 10:10 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(04-11-2022, 07:49 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: You don't make any sense. If one side is supporting the narrative that everyone is x and you can't only not be x unless you vote for y, and y fundamentally changes the functions of independent thought, freedom, and opportunity, then you reject that side.

That's a lot of ifs. 
Someone says "If you don't vote Democrat, you're racist."
You should say, "Nah, racism doesn't work like that. I'll vote for who I want, thanks."
Instead you're all like, "let's look at the implications and permutations if what you said, you line this up with that, carry the two, find the square root, and, boom! I just proved, just because you said that, that if you DO vote Democrat you're racist! This is why no one takes you seriously, because you don't get it!"

I suppose we could take a poll to determine who people take more seriously, you or Lucky.  I don't think you will like the result.
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#42

(04-13-2022, 10:09 AM)Sneakers Wrote:
(04-11-2022, 10:10 PM)mikesez Wrote: That's a lot of ifs. 
Someone says "If you don't vote Democrat, you're racist."
You should say, "Nah, racism doesn't work like that. I'll vote for who I want, thanks."
Instead you're all like, "let's look at the implications and permutations if what you said, you line this up with that, carry the two, find the square root, and, boom! I just proved, just because you said that, that if you DO vote Democrat you're racist! This is why no one takes you seriously, because you don't get it!"

I suppose we could take a poll to determine who people take more seriously, you or Lucky.  I don't think you will like the result.

That'd be too close to negative votes and he'll cry a little more.
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#43

(04-13-2022, 10:09 AM)Sneakers Wrote:
(04-11-2022, 10:10 PM)mikesez Wrote: That's a lot of ifs. 
Someone says "If you don't vote Democrat, you're racist."
You should say, "Nah, racism doesn't work like that. I'll vote for who I want, thanks."
Instead you're all like, "let's look at the implications and permutations if what you said, you line this up with that, carry the two, find the square root, and, boom! I just proved, just because you said that, that if you DO vote Democrat you're racist! This is why no one takes you seriously, because you don't get it!"

I suppose we could take a poll to determine who people take more seriously, you or Lucky.  I don't think you will like the result.

That's because most people on this political message board are wackos.
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#44

(04-13-2022, 09:40 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(04-13-2022, 08:05 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: We're not talking about the green new deal or slavery reparations. That's the point. Your party is literally putting CRT training into federal programs, schools, and corporations. It doesn't matter if it's called CRT or not. It's the same idea. It's conditioning people to accept the change that's coming. Your party does not care about the constitution, individual freedoms, or independent thought. Sure, there are individuals like you and Marty that don't think that way, but the elites and influencers within your party certainly do. You just think people think like you, and that's a HUGE mistake.

1) I'm a Republican
2) racial sensitivity training is not CRT, nor is it the same idea as CRT.
3) A good government should be indifferent to what private corporations teach their employees, as long as the employees' civil rights (notably their freedom of religion and political association) are not violated.  This is what conservatism used to be about.

1) No. You're not. You registered Republican because you think you're gaming the system by messing up their primaries. You don't like abortion, but on almost every other issue you lean left, and you vote left. You're the one in denial, not me. You and Marty claim not to be Democrats, and I genuinely believe you guys are sincere when you say that. However, you are both establishment hacks, which makes you, for all intents and purposes, Democrats. 
2) Yes it is, stupid. Just because it's not called CRT doesn't absolve it of its origin. Who is doing the racial sensitivity training, Mikey?  A bunch of conservative racial activists? No, you dolt. It's progressive activists, and their MO is exactly what I outlined above that you somehow already forgot.
3) Sure. But we have a bad government. One that has merged with corporate interests. The corporate-government carousel will continue until we actually start governing the corporations and stop letting the corporations govern us.
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(This post was last modified: 04-13-2022, 11:10 AM by The Real Marty. Edited 3 times in total.)

(04-13-2022, 10:55 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(04-13-2022, 09:40 AM)mikesez Wrote: 1) I'm a Republican
2) racial sensitivity training is not CRT, nor is it the same idea as CRT.
3) A good government should be indifferent to what private corporations teach their employees, as long as the employees' civil rights (notably their freedom of religion and political association) are not violated.  This is what conservatism used to be about.

1) No. You're not. You registered Republican because you think you're gaming the system by messing up their primaries. You don't like abortion, but on almost every other issue you lean left, and you vote left. You're the one in denial, not me. You and Marty claim not to be Democrats, and I genuinely believe you guys are sincere when you say that. However, you are both establishment hacks, which makes you, for all intents and purposes, Democrats. 
2) Yes it is, stupid. Just because it's not called CRT doesn't absolve it of its origin. Who is doing the racial sensitivity training, Mikey?  A bunch of conservative racial activists? No, you dolt. It's progressive activists, and their MO is exactly what I outlined above that you somehow already forgot.
3) Sure. But we have a bad government. One that has merged with corporate interests. The corporate-government carousel will continue until we actually start governing the corporations and stop letting the corporations govern us.

No, seriously, I'm not a Democrat.  I'm a Republican.  I'm for free markets, I'm opposed to race-based solutions, I don't like identity politics, I'm absolutely opposed to the Green New Deal, I'm against forgiving student loans, I don't like tariffs, and I'm opposed to spending trillions of dollars on "stimulus."  And I think the government debt is a very serious threat that we need to deal with.  What else?  I don't like "critical race theory."  I don't like socialism.  I don't believe in wealth redistribution.  I think concentration of wealth in the hands of private interests is healthy for our economy.   I don't care if Jeff Bezos has 100 or 200 billion dollars.  It's fine with me.  He earned it.    

As for me being an "establishment hack," it depends on how you define "the establishment."  My interests are with capitalism.  

Obviously, I am not a Democrat.
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#46

(04-13-2022, 10:42 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(04-13-2022, 10:09 AM)Sneakers Wrote: I suppose we could take a poll to determine who people take more seriously, you or Lucky.  I don't think you will like the result.

That's because most people on this political message board are wackos.

That’s true, so true..
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#47

(04-13-2022, 11:04 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(04-13-2022, 10:55 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: 1) No. You're not. You registered Republican because you think you're gaming the system by messing up their primaries. You don't like abortion, but on almost every other issue you lean left, and you vote left. You're the one in denial, not me. You and Marty claim not to be Democrats, and I genuinely believe you guys are sincere when you say that. However, you are both establishment hacks, which makes you, for all intents and purposes, Democrats. 
2) Yes it is, stupid. Just because it's not called CRT doesn't absolve it of its origin. Who is doing the racial sensitivity training, Mikey?  A bunch of conservative racial activists? No, you dolt. It's progressive activists, and their MO is exactly what I outlined above that you somehow already forgot.
3) Sure. But we have a bad government. One that has merged with corporate interests. The corporate-government carousel will continue until we actually start governing the corporations and stop letting the corporations govern us.

No, seriously, I'm not a Democrat.  I'm a Republican.  I'm for free markets, I'm opposed to race-based solutions, I don't like identity politics, I'm absolutely opposed to the Green New Deal, I'm against forgiving student loans, I don't like tariffs, and I'm opposed to spending trillions of dollars on "stimulus."  And I think the government debt is a very serious threat that we need to deal with.  What else?  I don't like "critical race theory."  I don't like socialism.  I don't believe in wealth redistribution.  I think concentration of wealth in the hands of private interests is healthy for our economy.   I don't care if Jeff Bezos has 100 or 200 billion dollars.  It's fine with me.  He earned it.    

As for me being an "establishment hack," it depends on how you define "the establishment."  My interests are with capitalism.  

Obviously, I am not a Democrat.

I said that. I don't think you're a democrat. I think you're establishment. I don't differentiate between the establishment left and right anymore. It's primarily theater. There are a bunch of global-corporate neo-libs/cons that exploit working class Americans and third world countries for profit. Democrats have become the champions for this cause, you can happily find Republicans who support the same thing, which you do. 

I will admit that I am too hard on you sometimes. I just think you're too smart to be duped by this nonsense.
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#48

(04-13-2022, 11:58 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(04-13-2022, 11:04 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: No, seriously, I'm not a Democrat.  I'm a Republican.  I'm for free markets, I'm opposed to race-based solutions, I don't like identity politics, I'm absolutely opposed to the Green New Deal, I'm against forgiving student loans, I don't like tariffs, and I'm opposed to spending trillions of dollars on "stimulus."  And I think the government debt is a very serious threat that we need to deal with.  What else?  I don't like "critical race theory."  I don't like socialism.  I don't believe in wealth redistribution.  I think concentration of wealth in the hands of private interests is healthy for our economy.   I don't care if Jeff Bezos has 100 or 200 billion dollars.  It's fine with me.  He earned it.    

As for me being an "establishment hack," it depends on how you define "the establishment."  My interests are with capitalism.  

Obviously, I am not a Democrat.

I said that. I don't think you're a democrat. I think you're establishment. I don't differentiate between the establishment left and right anymore. It's primarily theater. There are a bunch of global-corporate neo-libs/cons that exploit working class Americans and third world countries for profit. Democrats have become the champions for this cause, you can happily find Republicans who support the same thing, which you do. 

I will admit that I am too hard on you sometimes. I just think you're too smart to be duped by this nonsense.

Okay, so you and I agree that I am not a Democrat.  

Please explain that bolded phrase.  How, in your opinion, are working class Americans being "exploited" by "global-corporate neo-libs/cons?"  And what is a "global-corporate neo-lib/con?"
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#49

(04-13-2022, 10:09 AM)Sneakers Wrote:
(04-11-2022, 10:10 PM)mikesez Wrote: That's a lot of ifs. 
Someone says "If you don't vote Democrat, you're racist."
You should say, "Nah, racism doesn't work like that. I'll vote for who I want, thanks."
Instead you're all like, "let's look at the implications and permutations if what you said, you line this up with that, carry the two, find the square root, and, boom! I just proved, just because you said that, that if you DO vote Democrat you're racist! This is why no one takes you seriously, because you don't get it!"

I suppose we could take a poll to determine who people take more seriously, you or Lucky.  I don't think you will like the result.

Notice the placement of the quote marks.  That was supposed to be him telling me that no one takes me seriously.
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#50

(04-13-2022, 10:55 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(04-13-2022, 09:40 AM)mikesez Wrote: 1) I'm a Republican
2) racial sensitivity training is not CRT, nor is it the same idea as CRT.
3) A good government should be indifferent to what private corporations teach their employees, as long as the employees' civil rights (notably their freedom of religion and political association) are not violated.  This is what conservatism used to be about.

1) No. You're not. You registered Republican because you think you're gaming the system by messing up their primaries. You don't like abortion, but on almost every other issue you lean left, and you vote left. You're the one in denial, not me. You and Marty claim not to be Democrats, and I genuinely believe you guys are sincere when you say that. However, you are both establishment hacks, which makes you, for all intents and purposes, Democrats. 
2) Yes it is, stupid. Just because it's not called CRT doesn't absolve it of its origin. Who is doing the racial sensitivity training, Mikey?  A bunch of conservative racial activists? No, you dolt. It's progressive activists, and their MO is exactly what I outlined above that you somehow already forgot.
3) Sure. But we have a bad government. One that has merged with corporate interests. The corporate-government carousel will continue until we actually start governing the corporations and stop letting the corporations govern us.

1) I wouldn't use those words "gaming" or "messing up".  It's also simply about the fact that in statewide races Democrats lose so if you want any say about which Republican gets to be governor or senator you have to register Republican.  I voted DeSantis in the 2018 primary and I was glad to have the opportunity.  
2) You're flailing pretty wildly here, I'm having trouble keeping up.  Are you suggesting that there should be no racial sensitivity training, ever, because some of the teachers might also believe in CRT?
3) To the extent that this is a problem, the way to address it is to break up certain monopolistic corporations. Merely break them up, don't tell them what to believe.
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#51

(04-13-2022, 12:22 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(04-13-2022, 11:58 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I said that. I don't think you're a democrat. I think you're establishment. I don't differentiate between the establishment left and right anymore. It's primarily theater. There are a bunch of global-corporate neo-libs/cons that exploit working class Americans and third world countries for profit. Democrats have become the champions for this cause, you can happily find Republicans who support the same thing, which you do. 

I will admit that I am too hard on you sometimes. I just think you're too smart to be duped by this nonsense.

Okay, so you and I agree that I am not a Democrat.  

Please explain that bolded phrase.  How, in your opinion, are working class Americans being "exploited" by "global-corporate neo-libs/cons?"  And what is a "global-corporate neo-lib/con?"

Between the combination of laws passed by Reagan and Clinton, corporations have become global, with their allegiance being the almighty dollar. They have learned to exploit the non-democratic aspects of our government to create policies that expand their riches and limit our influence. As for the democratic portion of our government, there is a mutually beneficial arrangement between the most influential federal politicians and corporations. Politicians implement the policy of the corporate "experts" in return for financial contributions and kickbacks in the form of insider trading, cushy jobs, and book and movie deals. Corporations implement "woke" policy that encourages the power and expansion of the federal government and censor those who are opposed to it. Unfortunately, our news functions as the go between. 

Naturally, this is a simplified explanation, and doesn't take into account the role China plays in this process, but it's more or less the gist. You should be able to figure out how that affects working class Americans. Here's a short list: Less competition in the free market drives up prices and reduces opportunity; Private Equity destroys start up competitors, laying off workers, profiting from piecemealing the company, and further empowering already established corporations; Americans lose the power to govern themselves due to corporate Manchurian candidates; science, healthcare, and news is dominated by corporate interests which limits information that is available to the average citizen (you should look into this one), and mega-corporations and acquisitions prevents the consumer from being able to effectively boycott any one company. That's just off the top of my head. 

The worst part is that the primary benefit we receive, which is pretty much entertainment and consumer goods on demand, will only stick around until they build their new consumer base in China. Once that happens, we will be kicked to the curb. We'll get our manufacturing jobs back, no doubt... just not like how we think we will.
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