I honestly believe Baalke will survive this. I don't know how, but I'm worried.

Because you know that Shad is the owner.  He never does a clean sweep.

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I genuinely believe the fates do not favor us. I don't know who or what brought the wrath of the football gods upon Duval, but these close losses are EXHAUSTING. False hope worse than no hope, yadda yadda.

D was getting to Hurts, they were uncharacteristically sloppy, but we give them some freebies or can't figure out how to advance a pigskin for 2 and a half quarters of football. The week before, all the offensive heroics, but the D forgets how to cover or rush and blow the game. JUST ONE GAME, man, where we do well on both sides of the ball for a game...that too much to ask?

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When a team/ref tries to give you the game and you still cannot capitalize, that's bad.

At one point it was 22-0 and we had 30 total yards of offense. To finish that game as a five point loss is unfathomable. The fates dangle that carrot in front of our noses just long enough for a sniff, and then we run a 3rd string RB on a post. YOINK! no more carrot.

If we can manage to understand the basic tenets of offensive football AT ALL anywhere in the first half, that was a winnable game. Or at least another chance to let the D collapse in the final minute. Six in one hand, bucket of turds in the other.

It becomes fathomable when you know that the line was 5 and a half...

Surely you guys saw Sirriani shaving points yesterday, right? There's no other explanation for the bone head situational football that EVERYONE is suddenly engaging in except that the bookies have control of the Analytics guys and tactics are now driven by the money line.

This was particularly obvious when he decided to forego the FG and the chance to go up nine and go for it on 4th down. NFL in bed with gambling just doesnt smell right. Perhaps a congressional investigation of Goodell is in order.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

It's fun to think about but let's not forget that Boselli tends to really sugar coat the OL play in his radio broadcasts. No reason to think he wouldn't do things like that even in an advisory role. I'd vote no.

Meh. His tones have changed or shifted over time. There's a difference between being a public pundit for the team that actually sees the players more and is directly tied to the team Vs. what he would be saying behind closed doors at an Executive Level. It's no different than when you work with your coworker for a long time and that person gets promoted to a management role or better and all of a sudden you went from best buddies to "better get your [BLEEP] [BLEEP] to work on time or it's your [BLEEP]".

I agree.  I've been listening to the Boselli and Prisco over the last several weeks.  Boselli is trying to be as diplomatic as possible.  But he's absolutely making it clear that he's seeing how poorly developed this O-Line is.  I think behind closed doors, Boselli would have no problem telling Shad how terrible a job Baalke has done building the O-Line and how terrible a job the coaching staff has done developing the players that we have brought in.

I really hope Shad hires him as EVP.  I think it would be the perfect hire.

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It would be fun. He watches this team every week like everybody else and he can probably reel off a number of issues left and right when questioned about it. He'll know who to hire, who to approach and how to approach it in my opinion. I think it would be a step in the right direction at least. 

EVP - Tony Boselli
GM - Bill Belichick, Mike Borgonzi or Ray Agnew
HC - Bill Belichick, Steve Spagnuolo (calls defensive plays) or Ben Johnson (calls offensive plays)
OC - Josh McDaniel (not a bad play caller, just can't head coach), Frank Reich (Same as McDaniel) or Mark Brunell (aids in QB coaching, passing game coordination and calls)
DC - Mike Vrabel, Joe Cullen (he's back with Spags) or Dave Borgonzi

It's fun to think about but let's not forget that Boselli tends to really sugar coat the OL play in his radio broadcasts. No reason to think he wouldn't do things like that even in an advisory role. I'd vote no.

I think he prefers to give guys benefit of the doubt when he does not know the true blocking assignments and rules that the guys are using on the offensive line. He knows that sometimes it looks one guy messes up when he is is really trying to correct for someone else. That wouldn't be an issue if he is in the building and knows what exactly is going on.

He also likes to see and talk about the better case scenarios/outcomes for players, coaches, and team. It is nice to have someone do that given how poor the team has been the past 20 years, and it is better to have that on Mondays compared to Prisco who normally leans negative. I think that is him understanding his role as a media guy who is to provide all sides of the story and and offer the fans some hope. Plus he is very much a "this should be handled in house" guy. As a FO guy, he wouldn't be talking to fans about that stuff outside a few press conferences, and I think he would be more vocal and critical of staff/players but keep it all in house. 

Having said all that. No one knows if Boselli would actually want an EVP or FO role or not. He still has a few kids in the house and that kind of job has hard/long hours he may not desire right now. Also, It still requires a great deal of knowledge, decision making and effort regarding behind the scenes operations, budgets, managing staff, meetings, and dealing with all other kinds of not obvious on-the-field football stuff that he may not have a lot of experience with or desire to do. Similar issues would be there if he was GM. Having said that, he comes off as a guy who knows what he doesn't know and is not afraid to come out and say that. He does that a lot on broadcasts and media appearances.

So he would definitely be wild card, and need a couple SVP's or assistant GM's to help out with all that stuff.

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I honestly believe Baalke will survive this. I don't know how, but I'm worried.

Because you know that Shad is the owner.  He never does a clean sweep.

It's more that I know people like Littlefinger, I mean Baalke, and how hard it is to completely rid your organization from those kinds of people.

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Meh. His tones have changed or shifted over time. There's a difference between being a public pundit for the team that actually sees the players more and is directly tied to the team Vs. what he would be saying behind closed doors at an Executive Level. It's no different than when you work with your coworker for a long time and that person gets promoted to a management role or better and all of a sudden you went from best buddies to "better get your [BLEEP] [BLEEP] to work on time or it's your [BLEEP]".

I agree.  I've been listening to the Boselli and Prisco over the last several weeks.  Boselli is trying to be as diplomatic as possible.  But he's absolutely making it clear that he's seeing how poorly developed this O-Line is.  I think behind closed doors, Boselli would have no problem telling Shad how terrible a job Baalke has done building the O-Line and how terrible a job the coaching staff has done developing the players that we have brought in.

I really hope Shad hires him as EVP.  I think it would be the perfect hire.

This is so weird to me. Take off the teal glasses for a bit. I love Boselli, but he has done nothing in a front office.

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Tony Boselli comes in and influences the jags to build the offense line comparable to the 1990s Dallas cowboys. That would be nasty.

It would be fun. He watches this team every week like everybody else and he can probably reel off a number of issues left and right when questioned about it. He'll know who to hire, who to approach and how to approach it in my opinion. I think it would be a step in the right direction at least. 

EVP - Tony Boselli
GM - Bill Belichick, Mike Borgonzi or Ray Agnew
HC - Bill Belichick, Steve Spagnuolo (calls defensive plays) or Ben Johnson (calls offensive plays)
OC - Josh McDaniel (not a bad play caller, just can't head coach), Frank Reich (Same as McDaniel) or Mark Brunell (aids in QB coaching, passing game coordination and calls)
DC - Mike Vrabel, Joe Cullen (he's back with Spags) or Dave Borgonzi

Bill would be a terrible GM. His issues in NE started once he got that power.

Still don't know why people are set on thinking Boselli would be a good EVP.

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I agree.  I've been listening to the Boselli and Prisco over the last several weeks.  Boselli is trying to be as diplomatic as possible.  But he's absolutely making it clear that he's seeing how poorly developed this O-Line is.  I think behind closed doors, Boselli would have no problem telling Shad how terrible a job Baalke has done building the O-Line and how terrible a job the coaching staff has done developing the players that we have brought in.

I really hope Shad hires him as EVP.  I think it would be the perfect hire.

This is so weird to me. Take off the teal glasses for a bit. I love Boselli, but he has done nothing in a front office.

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It would be fun. He watches this team every week like everybody else and he can probably reel off a number of issues left and right when questioned about it. He'll know who to hire, who to approach and how to approach it in my opinion. I think it would be a step in the right direction at least. 

EVP - Tony Boselli
GM - Bill Belichick, Mike Borgonzi or Ray Agnew
HC - Bill Belichick, Steve Spagnuolo (calls defensive plays) or Ben Johnson (calls offensive plays)
OC - Josh McDaniel (not a bad play caller, just can't head coach), Frank Reich (Same as McDaniel) or Mark Brunell (aids in QB coaching, passing game coordination and calls)
DC - Mike Vrabel, Joe Cullen (he's back with Spags) or Dave Borgonzi

Bill would be a terrible GM. His issues in NE started once he got that power.

Still don't know why people are set on thinking Boselli would be a good EVP.

You don't know why people, after having just four play-off appearances over the last 24 years of football, with one of those years including a former Jaguars legend and hall of famer in the EVP role being in the building when it happened, wouldn't want to try and catch that same spark again with another former Jaguars legend and hall of famer in the same exact role?

Really? I mean, after years of James Harris, Gene Smith, Dave Caldwell and Trent Baalke "building" this team over the last 24 years of it's miserable existence, with poverty franchise tendencies, you can't see why people would want to try something different at the EVP position?

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

This is so weird to me. Take off the teal glasses for a bit. I love Boselli, but he has done nothing in a front office.

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Bill would be a terrible GM. His issues in NE started once he got that power.

Still don't know why people are set on thinking Boselli would be a good EVP.

You don't know why people, after having just four play-off appearances over the last 24 years of football, with one of those years including a former Jaguars legend and hall of famer in the EVP role being in the building when it happened, wouldn't want to try and catch that same spark again with another former Jaguars legend and hall of famer in the same exact role?

Really? I mean, after years of James Harris, Gene Smith, Dave Caldwell and Trent Baalke "building" this team over the last 24 years of it's miserable existence, with poverty franchise tendencies, you can't see why people would want to try something different at the EVP position?

Correct.

How about we actually hire an established FO person for the role? Why are we always trying to do some weird [BLEEP]?

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You don't know why people, after having just four play-off appearances over the last 24 years of football, with one of those years including a former Jaguars legend and hall of famer in the EVP role being in the building when it happened, wouldn't want to try and catch that same spark again with another former Jaguars legend and hall of famer in the same exact role?

Really? I mean, after years of James Harris, Gene Smith, Dave Caldwell and Trent Baalke "building" this team over the last 24 years of it's miserable existence, with poverty franchise tendencies, you can't see why people would want to try something different at the EVP position?

Correct.

How about we actually hire an established FO person for the role? Why are we always trying to do some weird [BLEEP]?

I have said the same thing. Thomas Dimitroff, Rick Spielman, Eliot Wolf Jr., etc. Those three would be perfectly good and viable options for the EVP role. I don't think it's all that weird though to see former football players end up in NFL front offices. It's fairly common. 

Ozzie Newsome with the Ravens.
John Lynch with the 49ers. 
John Elway with the Broncos. 
Chris Spielman with the Lions. 
Ran Carthon with the tacks. 
Dan Morgan with the Panthers. 

Those are or were notable names. A lot of those guys above are either in GM positions or VP/EVP positions.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Correct.

How about we actually hire an established FO person for the role? Why are we always trying to do some weird [BLEEP]?

I have said the same thing. Thomas Dimitroff, Rick Spielman, Eliot Wolf Jr., etc. Those three would be perfectly good and viable options for the EVP role. I don't think it's all that weird though to see former football players end up in NFL front offices. It's fairly common. 

Ozzie Newsome with the Ravens.
John Lynch with the 49ers. 
John Elway with the Broncos. 
Chris Spielman with the Lions. 
Ran Carthon with the tacks. 
Dan Morgan with the Panthers. 

Those are or were notable names. A lot of those guys above are either in GM positions or VP/EVP positions.

Sure, but that doesn't mean it's going to work. Just like some college coaches come into the NFL and do great, but most don't.

I'm tired of unproven commodities. It's tiring. I want us to make a smart hire for once.

Also, it's not that I don't want a former player in the position... it's that I don't want their first FO position to be EVP or GM.

Ozzie had 4 or 5 years in FO before he became EVP.

Spielman isn't an EVP or GM.

Carthon was in FO for like 13 years or something before he became GM.

Morgan was in FO for almost 15 years before he became GM.

I'm not saying players can't be good in these positions, but I don't want it to be their first position.

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I have said the same thing. Thomas Dimitroff, Rick Spielman, Eliot Wolf Jr., etc. Those three would be perfectly good and viable options for the EVP role. I don't think it's all that weird though to see former football players end up in NFL front offices. It's fairly common. 

Ozzie Newsome with the Ravens.
John Lynch with the 49ers. 
John Elway with the Broncos. 
Chris Spielman with the Lions. 
Ran Carthon with the tacks. 
Dan Morgan with the Panthers. 

Those are or were notable names. A lot of those guys above are either in GM positions or VP/EVP positions.

Sure, but that doesn't mean it's going to work. Just like some college coaches come into the NFL and do great, but most don't.

I'm tired of unproven commodities. It's tiring. I want us to make a smart hire for once.

Also, it's not that I don't want a former player in the position... it's that I don't want their first FO position to be EVP or GM.

Ozzie had 4 or 5 years in FO before he became EVP.

Spielman isn't an EVP or GM.

Carthon was in FO for like 13 years or something before he became GM.

Morgan was in FO for almost 15 years before he became GM.

I'm not saying players can't be good in these positions, but I don't want it to be their first position.

Doug Pederson was considered a smart hire in 2021 by most, if not, all local and national pundits and talking heads. It doesn't mean it will work out neither. It's all anybody's guess. I am all for the proven commodities approach as well. Most people on here are not now, probably because of Pederson and Baalke. 

Those two guys technically DID prove themselves. Pederson, obviously, he did it at the highest level. Baalke, for what it's worth, he did get the 49ers back up into a competitive and competent franchise for a nice little stretch and that included a Superbowl visit. So, what do we do now?

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I honestly believe Baalke will survive this. I don't know how, but I'm worried.

Shad fears change, that's how.

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Whoever got ya'll spun up on this Boselli thing really put one over on you.

IKR? Where did that come from? Dude has no front office experience, and everyone thinking just cuz he's fresh meat it will instantly reverse fortune is mind-bortling.

I can see a different Tony as EVP, mind you. No idea if he'd fare better or worse, but at least he has more professional experience with management, contracts, and organizational matters than the local radio personality.

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I think the big issue about sacking Doug mid season, is you’d usually give it to a co-ordinater to get you to the end of the season, the issue is both OC and DC have sucked as well. Regardless come the end of the season everyone needs to go, a complete clean house coaches and front office

As for Ben Johnson I would love him , but he’s gonna have the choice between Lawrence and burrow, and then everything Jerry jones can throw at him

In the majority of situations, the ST Coord gets the interim gig, as they have more experience with the totality of the roster, and admittedly less on their plate from Monday to Saturday than an OC or DC tend to have.

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Correct.

How about we actually hire an established FO person for the role? Why are we always trying to do some weird [BLEEP]?

I have said the same thing. Thomas Dimitroff, Rick Spielman, Eliot Wolf Jr., etc. Those three would be perfectly good and viable options for the EVP role. I don't think it's all that weird though to see former football players end up in NFL front offices. It's fairly common. 

Ozzie Newsome with the Ravens.
John Lynch with the 49ers. 
John Elway with the Broncos. 
Chris Spielman with the Lions. 
Ran Carthon with the tacks. 
Dan Morgan with the Panthers. 

Those are or were notable names. A lot of those guys above are either in GM positions or VP/EVP positions.

All those guys busted their rumps working their way up the ladder to get to those spots. They developed skills, relationships and proved their mettle before they were handed the key to the franchise.

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I honestly believe Baalke will survive this. I don't know how, but I'm worried.

Shad fears change, that's how.

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Whoever got ya'll spun up on this Boselli thing really put one over on you.

IKR? Where did that come from? Dude has no front office experience, and everyone thinking just cuz he's fresh meat it will instantly reverse fortune is mind-bortling.

I can see a different Tony as EVP, mind you. No idea if he'd fare better or worse, but at least he has more professional experience with management, contracts, and organizational matters than the local radio personality.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Tony Boselli as EVP is ridiculous.  He's never been a GM, assistant GM, scout or anything remotely similar.  His coaching highlight consists of being offensive line coach of a high school football team.  His personnel calls on the radio weren't even that great.  I remember him vehemently defending Luke Joeckel for years even after it was completely obvious that he sucked.  If the 31 other teams were looking for an EVP and they came up with a list of 10 potential candidates, would Boselli even appear on ONE of those lists?  The odds are slim to none.  If so, why would we hire him?  He's a nice guy and was a great player, but that no way makes him remotely qualified to be EVP.  People need to get over nostalgia.  Hire the best qualified GM, let him hire who wants as HC, and then hold them accountable.

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Tony Boselli as EVP is ridiculous.  He's never been a GM, assistant GM, scout or anything remotely similar.  His coaching highlight consists of being offensive line coach of a high school football team.  His personnel calls on the radio weren't even that great.  I remember him vehemently defending Luke Joeckel for years even after it was completely obvious that he sucked.  It the 31 other teams were looking for an EVP and they came up with a list of 10 potential candidates, would Boselli even appear on ONE of those lists?  The odds are slim to none.  If so, why would we hire him?  He's a nice guy and was a great player, but that no way makes him remotely qualified to be EVP.  People need to get over nostalgia.  Hire the best GM, let him hire who wants as HC, and then hold them accountable.

Agreed. It's also unlikely that we rid ourselves of Baalke this year. He's dug in like a tick!

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Tony Boselli as EVP is ridiculous.  He's never been a GM, assistant GM, scout or anything remotely similar.  His coaching highlight consists of being offensive line coach of a high school football team.  His personnel calls on the radio weren't even that great.  I remember him vehemently defending Luke Joeckel for years even after it was completely obvious that he sucked.  It the 31 other teams were looking for an EVP and they came up with a list of 10 potential candidates, would Boselli even appear on ONE of those lists?  The odds are slim to none.  If so, why would we hire him?  He's a nice guy and was a great player, but that no way makes him remotely qualified to be EVP.  People need to get over nostalgia.  Hire the best GM, let him hire who wants as HC, and then hold them accountable.

Agreed. It's also unlikely that we rid ourselves of Baalke this year. He's dug in like a tick!

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Tony Boselli as EVP is ridiculous.  He's never been a GM, assistant GM, scout or anything remotely similar.  His coaching highlight consists of being offensive line coach of a high school football team.  His personnel calls on the radio weren't even that great.  I remember him vehemently defending Luke Joeckel for years even after it was completely obvious that he sucked.  It the 31 other teams were looking for an EVP and they came up with a list of 10 potential candidates, would Boselli even appear on ONE of those lists?  The odds are slim to none.  If so, why would we hire him?  He's a nice guy and was a great player, but that no way makes him remotely qualified to be EVP.  People need to get over nostalgia.  Hire the best GM, let him hire who wants as HC, and then hold them accountable.

Agreed. It's also unlikely that we rid ourselves of Baalke this year. He's dug in like a tick!

https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status...915L-t18Xg

You sure?

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Agreed. It's also unlikely that we rid ourselves of Baalke this year. He's dug in like a tick!

https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status...915L-t18Xg

You sure?

A team has never picked 1st overall in a 5 year span.  The Jags will be the first team to do so.  Baalke and Pederson are gone.  I don't need a tweet from Dilla trying to get one right lol

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https://twitter.com/_john_shipley/status...915L-t18Xg

You sure?

A team has never picked 1st overall in a 5 year span.  The Jags will be the first team to do so.  Baalke and Pederson are gone.  I don't need a tweet from Dilla trying to get one right lol

Yeah. The writing is on the wall. Appreciate Baalke's mini fire sale for the next front office to build things up with in 2025 and 2026's draft. Get me a coach in here that likes to pound the rock and cause havoc with just his base front defense and we'll be just fine.

Belichick, Vrabel, Spagnuolo or Flores. These are the names they should be looking at as soon as they decide to announce the firing of Baalke and Pederson.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."