First you say it's impossible to know even know the political affiliation of whoever is doing it, yet somehow you claim to know their internal logic, justification and motives. 


P.S.  Since Trump has an internal logic to Greenland, Canada and the Panama Canal, are you finally willing to admit that he's not deranged?

Someone burning a Tesla today clearly hates Elon.  But that doesn't mean they are Democrats or leftists.  They could be anarchists or communists or foreign terrorists.

And I never said Trump was deranged.

We all actually agree about Trump's personality around here. We all say he's a shallow, stubborn narcissist who doesn't understand most issues deeply, although he's very skilled at showmanship and relatability.

We just disagree about if it's good to have such a man as President.

He understand infinitely more than you do.  I believe you also described yourself in the second sentence of the bold part. That is except the showmanship relatability part (which you are not.)

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Someone burning a Tesla today clearly hates Elon.  But that doesn't mean they are Democrats or leftists.  They could be anarchists or communists or foreign terrorists.

And I never said Trump was deranged.

We all actually agree about Trump's personality around here. We all say he's a shallow, stubborn narcissist who doesn't understand most issues deeply, although he's very skilled at showmanship and relatability.

We just disagree about if it's good to have such a man as President.

He understand infinitely more than you do.  I believe you also described yourself in the second sentence of the bold part. That is except the showmanship relatability part (which you are not.)

I'm not interesting enough to be the topic of a thread.  I don't understand why people always want to make threads about me.  Keep the thread about Musk and Trump.

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He understand infinitely more than you do.  I believe you also described yourself in the second sentence of the bold part. That is except the showmanship relatability part (which you are not.)

I'm not interesting enough to be the topic of a thread.  I don't understand why people always want to make threads about me.  Keep the thread about Musk and Trump.

LOL  is that an order?

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

He understand infinitely more than you do.  I believe you also described yourself in the second sentence of the bold part. That is except the showmanship relatability part (which you are not.)

I'm not interesting enough to be the topic of a thread.  I don't understand why people always want to make threads about me.  Keep the thread about Musk and Trump.

True, definitely not interesting enough.. But honestly, with most of your takes, people are going to comment because they're so damn jackassy..

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And yet another mentally sound person of undetermined partisanship caught keying a Tesla. 

Did I do that right, Mike?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vandal...r-AA1BQ0YJ

Ol’ boy is going to get arrested and probably lose his job. I hope it was worth it.

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2025/03/25/cy...k-n2410460

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You're simply making excuses for the behavior of the left.  What "internal logic" supports the vandalism/destruction of a vehicle owned by a complete stranger (whose political views may ironically be aligned with your own)?

What makes you so sure an idiot who destroys a Tesla is "left"?  What if I tried to make you answer for the behavior of Warren Jeffs? You'd say, "that's not fair, he doesn't represent my side."  Great.  People who burn Teslas have nothing to do with the point I'm making either.  I'm talking only about elected officials, appointed officials, prominent lobbyists, prominent pundits.  I'm not talking about arsonists.

First you say it's impossible to know even know the political affiliation of whoever is doing it, yet somehow you claim to know their internal logic, justification and motives. 


P.S.  Since Trump has an internal logic to Greenland, Canada and the Panama Canal, are you finally willing to admit that he's not deranged?

Someone burning a Tesla today clearly hates Elon.  But that doesn't mean they are Democrats or leftists.  They could be anarchists or communists or foreign terrorists.

And I never said Trump was deranged.

We all actually agree about Trump's personality around here. We all say he's a shallow, stubborn narcissist who doesn't understand most issues deeply, although he's very skilled at showmanship and relatability.

We just disagree about if it's good to have such a man as President.

You forgot the Saudis.  Maybe it's just a plot to scare people away from electric cars.

BTW, I haven't heard any Republicans express hatred of Musk.  Isn't that an odd coincidence?

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

What makes you so sure an idiot who destroys a Tesla is "left"?  What if I tried to make you answer for the behavior of Warren Jeffs? You'd say, "that's not fair, he doesn't represent my side."  Great.  People who burn Teslas have nothing to do with the point I'm making either.  I'm talking only about elected officials, appointed officials, prominent lobbyists, prominent pundits.  I'm not talking about arsonists.

Someone burning a Tesla today clearly hates Elon.  But that doesn't mean they are Democrats or leftists.  They could be anarchists or communists or foreign terrorists.

And I never said Trump was deranged.

We all actually agree about Trump's personality around here. We all say he's a shallow, stubborn narcissist who doesn't understand most issues deeply, although he's very skilled at showmanship and relatability.

We just disagree about if it's good to have such a man as President.

You forgot the Saudis.  Maybe it's just a plot to scare people away from electric cars.

BTW, I haven't heard any Republicans express hatred of Musk.  Isn't that an odd coincidence?

Nobody really hated the guy until he got into politics.  People thought he was overrated, but they didn't hate him. 

Speaking of scaring people away from electric cars, there is a bill advancing in the Florida legislature which would allow towing companies to triple the rate they charge to electric cars as compared to gas cars. In the previous session, they made a law that overturned any county or city ordinance that might have required a charging station at a new development. 

So yes there are definitely Republicans that hate electric cars.

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You forgot the Saudis.  Maybe it's just a plot to scare people away from electric cars.

BTW, I haven't heard any Republicans express hatred of Musk.  Isn't that an odd coincidence?

Nobody really hated the guy until he got into politics.  People thought he was overrated, but they didn't hate him. 

Speaking of scaring people away from electric cars, there is a bill advancing in the Florida legislature which would allow towing companies to triple the rate they charge to electric cars as compared to gas cars. In the previous session, they made a law that overturned any county or city ordinance that might have required a charging station at a new development. 

So yes there are definitely Republicans that hate electric cars.

While I understand that may be your opinion, I would rephrase that a bit. There are Republicans that find it offensive to be forced to buy electric cars. The only political party currently wasting emotion on hate are the Democrats.  Quite interesting is they currently remain silent on the domestic terrorist that are fire bombing electric cars. This is a nonverbal admission of support for these domestic terrorist which makes me question their values.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

You forgot the Saudis.  Maybe it's just a plot to scare people away from electric cars.

BTW, I haven't heard any Republicans express hatred of Musk.  Isn't that an odd coincidence?

Nobody really hated the guy until he got into politics.  People thought he was overrated, but they didn't hate him. 

Speaking of scaring people away from electric cars, there is a bill advancing in the Florida legislature which would allow towing companies to triple the rate they charge to electric cars as compared to gas cars. In the previous session, they made a law that overturned any county or city ordinance that might have required a charging station at a new development. 

So yes there are definitely Republicans that hate electric cars.

LOL.  You're just digging yourself in deeper, trying to defend an indefensible claim.

Nobody hated him before he got into politics.
Then he became a friend and supporter of Trump.
He was appointed to run DOGE, fulfilling one of Trump's primary campaign promises.
Now people hate him, but they're not Democrats???  Again, where have Republicans verbalized their hate?

A bill "advancing in the Florida Legislature" = Republicans hate electric cars?  That's a stretch, even for you.

P.S.  Providing a link to the source of your claimed "information", might lend your argument somewhat more credibility.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

Give him a minute while he warms up.

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Nobody really hated the guy until he got into politics.  People thought he was overrated, but they didn't hate him. 

Speaking of scaring people away from electric cars, there is a bill advancing in the Florida legislature which would allow towing companies to triple the rate they charge to electric cars as compared to gas cars. In the previous session, they made a law that overturned any county or city ordinance that might have required a charging station at a new development. 

So yes there are definitely Republicans that hate electric cars.

LOL.  You're just digging yourself in deeper, trying to defend an indefensible claim.

Nobody hated him before he got into politics.
Then he became a friend and supporter of Trump.
He was appointed to run DOGE, fulfilling one of Trump's primary campaign promises.
Now people hate him, but they're not Democrats???  Again, where have Republicans verbalized their hate?

A bill "advancing in the Florida Legislature" = Republicans hate electric cars?  That's a stretch, even for you.

P.S.  Providing a link to the source of your claimed "information", might lend your argument somewhat more credibility.

I'm not sure what we are disagreeing about. 
I agree Republicans don't hate Musk personally, I'm just saying that up to about four months ago, Democrats didn't either.  
Many Republicans do dislike Tesla, and electric cars in general.  
The Florida Legislature, for all of its inadequacies, does a pretty good job of putting its stuff online and making it easy for Google to find.  The bill about charging stations is already law.  The one about towing is Senate Bill 872.  It is out of committee and likely to pass.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

LOL.  You're just digging yourself in deeper, trying to defend an indefensible claim.

Nobody hated him before he got into politics.
Then he became a friend and supporter of Trump.
He was appointed to run DOGE, fulfilling one of Trump's primary campaign promises.
Now people hate him, but they're not Democrats???  Again, where have Republicans verbalized their hate?

A bill "advancing in the Florida Legislature" = Republicans hate electric cars?  That's a stretch, even for you.

P.S.  Providing a link to the source of your claimed "information", might lend your argument somewhat more credibility.

I'm not sure what we are disagreeing about. 
I agree Republicans don't hate Musk personally, I'm just saying that up to about four months ago, Democrats didn't either.  
Many Republicans do dislike Tesla, and electric cars in general.  
The Florida Legislature, for all of its inadequacies, does a pretty good job of putting its stuff online and making it easy for Google to find.  The bill about charging stations is already law.  The one about towing is Senate Bill 872.  It is out of committee and likely to pass.

You made the ridiculous and unsupported claim that the violence against Tesla/Musk was not political retribution.  I called you out on it, and you've been backpedaling ever since. 

Gosh, what happened about four months ago to make Democrats suddenly hate the guy?  Are you finally admitting the hatred and violence are politically motivated? 

FYI, there are far greater potential risks and clean-up costs associated with electric vehicles, than with gas.  The bill prevents price gouging by setting maximum rates, thereby protecting owners and insurance companies.  Despite what you've been spoon-fed by the leftist media and told to believe, it's not about Republicans disliking Tesla or electric cars.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

Give him a minute while he warms up.

Hey Biscuit, I appreciate the sentiment, but when I'm looking at Lynda Carter, mikesez is the LAST person I want to be thinking about.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

I'm not sure what we are disagreeing about. 
I agree Republicans don't hate Musk personally, I'm just saying that up to about four months ago, Democrats didn't either.  
Many Republicans do dislike Tesla, and electric cars in general.  
The Florida Legislature, for all of its inadequacies, does a pretty good job of putting its stuff online and making it easy for Google to find.  The bill about charging stations is already law.  The one about towing is Senate Bill 872.  It is out of committee and likely to pass.

You made the ridiculous and unsupported claim that the violence against Tesla/Musk was not political retribution.  I called you out on it, and you've been backpedaling ever since. 

Gosh, what happened about four months ago to make Democrats suddenly hate the guy?  Are you finally admitting the hatred and violence are politically motivated? 

FYI, there are far greater potential risks and clean-up costs associated with electric vehicles, than with gas.  The bill prevents price gouging by setting maximum rates, thereby protecting owners and insurance companies.  Despite what you've been spoon-fed by the leftist media and told to believe, it's not about Republicans disliking Tesla or electric cars.

Again, I'm not sure what we're even disagreeing about, I'll politely bow out.
An electric car has never leaked oil or transmission fluid, but OK. You do you.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

You made the ridiculous and unsupported claim that the violence against Tesla/Musk was not political retribution.  I called you out on it, and you've been backpedaling ever since. 

Gosh, what happened about four months ago to make Democrats suddenly hate the guy?  Are you finally admitting the hatred and violence are politically motivated? 

FYI, there are far greater potential risks and clean-up costs associated with electric vehicles, than with gas.  The bill prevents price gouging by setting maximum rates, thereby protecting owners and insurance companies.  Despite what you've been spoon-fed by the leftist media and told to believe, it's not about Republicans disliking Tesla or electric cars.

Again, I'm not sure what we're even disagreeing about, I'll politely bow out.
An electric car has never leaked oil or transmission fluid, but OK.  You do you.

Just admit what everyone else sees: you stepped into your own fresh, warm, steaming pile of contrarianism.

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There are trade offs for both. Electric batteries weigh a ton and rape the landscape mining for materials. Expect to be purchasing tires more often. This puts more "tire pollution on the roads and at the recycle plant. When they get around to evaluating all things expect to pay more to register the car. The extra weight will require more road upkeep and they purchase no gas so add the tax portion to that. By the time you charge a battery at your home the T&D loss negates the efficiency saving of electric over gas. The power company will need to generate almost 2x the power. Both systems have trade offs. Personally I am looking for both to be replaced by Hydrogen burning or Hybrid Hydrogen battery cars. These have been handcuffed by the "old money" oil guys for years.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Again, I'm not sure what we're even disagreeing about, I'll politely bow out.
An electric car has never leaked oil or transmission fluid, but OK.  You do you.

Just admit what everyone else sees: you stepped into your own fresh, warm, steaming pile of contrarianism.

I didn't bring up people who burn Tesla cars.
It was never really on topic.

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There are trade offs for both. Electric batteries weigh a ton and rape the landscape mining for materials. Expect to be purchasing tires more often. This puts more "tire pollution on the roads and at the recycle plant. When they get around to evaluating all things expect to pay more to register the car. The extra weight will require more road upkeep and they purchase no gas so add the tax portion to that. By the time you charge a battery at your home the T&D loss negates the efficiency saving of electric over gas. The power company will need to generate almost 2x the power. Both systems have trade offs. Personally I am looking for both to be replaced by Hydrogen burning or Hybrid Hydrogen battery cars. These have been handcuffed by the "old money" oil guys for years.

The weight of the batteries only gets cumbersome if you demand 300 mi driving range. If you accept say 150 mi driving range, the weights are pretty similar. And people outside of North America are more often willing to accept shorter driving ranges.
And as I said the different thread, different places have different power mixes, if you have a lot of nuclear or renewables in your local power mix, then the electric vehicle becomes a huge win for the environment, even with the mining and manufacturing drawbacks you point out.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Just admit what everyone else sees: you stepped into your own fresh, warm, steaming pile of contrarianism.

I didn't bring up people who burn Tesla cars.
It was never really on topic.

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There are trade offs for both. Electric batteries weigh a ton and rape the landscape mining for materials. Expect to be purchasing tires more often. This puts more "tire pollution on the roads and at the recycle plant. When they get around to evaluating all things expect to pay more to register the car. The extra weight will require more road upkeep and they purchase no gas so add the tax portion to that. By the time you charge a battery at your home the T&D loss negates the efficiency saving of electric over gas. The power company will need to generate almost 2x the power. Both systems have trade offs. Personally I am looking for both to be replaced by Hydrogen burning or Hybrid Hydrogen battery cars. These have been handcuffed by the "old money" oil guys for years.

The weight of the batteries only gets cumbersome if you demand 300 mi driving range. If you accept say 150 mi driving range, the weights are pretty similar. And people outside of North America are more often willing to accept shorter driving ranges.
And as I said the different thread, different places have different power mixes, if you have a lot of nuclear or renewables in your local power mix, then the electric vehicle becomes a huge win for the environment, even with the mining and manufacturing drawbacks you point out.

Nope.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

What makes you so sure an idiot who destroys a Tesla is "left"?  What if I tried to make you answer for the behavior of Warren Jeffs? You'd say, "that's not fair, he doesn't represent my side."  Great.  People who burn Teslas have nothing to do with the point I'm making either.  I'm talking only about elected officials, appointed officials, prominent lobbyists, prominent pundits.  I'm not talking about arsonists.

Just admit what everyone else sees: you stepped into your own fresh, warm, steaming pile of contrarianism.

I didn't bring up people who burn Tesla cars.
It was never really on topic.



Jag149There are trade offs for both. Electric batteries weigh a ton and rape the landscape mining for materials. Expect to be purchasing tires more often. This puts more "tire pollution on the roads and at the recycle plant. When they get around to evaluating all things expect to pay more to register the car. The extra weight will require more road upkeep and they purchase no gas so add the tax portion to that. By the time you charge a battery at your home the T&D loss negates the efficiency saving of electric over gas. The power company will need to generate almost 2x the power. Both systems have trade offs. Personally I am looking for both to be replaced by Hydrogen burning or Hybrid Hydrogen battery cars. These have been handcuffed by the "old money" oil guys for years.

The weight of the batteries only gets cumbersome if you demand 300 mi driving range. If you accept say 150 mi driving range, the weights are pretty similar. And people outside of North America are more often willing to accept shorter driving ranges.
And as I said the different thread, different places have different power mixes, if you have a lot of nuclear or renewables in your local power mix, then the electric vehicle becomes a huge win for the environment, even with the mining and manufacturing drawbacks you point out.

Actually, you did bring up people burning Teslas.  Post #24, quoted above.

A 150 range is just not adequate for the vast majority of Americans.  I couldn't drive from Neptune Beach to Disney on a single charge.  As a second car for local commuting, fine, but who wants to be so limited in their primary vehicle?  The limited range is still a major drawback.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

What makes you so sure an idiot who destroys a Tesla is "left"?  What if I tried to make you answer for the behavior of Warren Jeffs? You'd say, "that's not fair, he doesn't represent my side."  Great.  People who burn Teslas have nothing to do with the point I'm making either.  I'm talking only about elected officials, appointed officials, prominent lobbyists, prominent pundits.  I'm not talking about arsonists.

I didn't bring up people who burn Tesla cars.
It was never really on topic.



Jag149There are trade offs for both. Electric batteries weigh a ton and rape the landscape mining for materials. Expect to be purchasing tires more often. This puts more "tire pollution on the roads and at the recycle plant. When they get around to evaluating all things expect to pay more to register the car. The extra weight will require more road upkeep and they purchase no gas so add the tax portion to that. By the time you charge a battery at your home the T&D loss negates the efficiency saving of electric over gas. The power company will need to generate almost 2x the power. Both systems have trade offs. Personally I am looking for both to be replaced by Hydrogen burning or Hybrid Hydrogen battery cars. These have been handcuffed by the "old money" oil guys for years.

The weight of the batteries only gets cumbersome if you demand 300 mi driving range. If you accept say 150 mi driving range, the weights are pretty similar. And people outside of North America are more often willing to accept shorter driving ranges.
And as I said the different thread, different places have different power mixes, if you have a lot of nuclear or renewables in your local power mix, then the electric vehicle becomes a huge win for the environment, even with the mining and manufacturing drawbacks you point out.

Actually, you did bring up people burning Teslas.  Post #24, quoted above.

A 150 range is just not adequate for the vast majority of Americans.  I couldn't drive from Neptune Beach to Disney on a single charge.  As a second car for local commuting, fine, but who wants to be so limited in their primary vehicle?  The limited range is still a major drawback.

You went all the way back to post 24, and then you pretended not to notice that post 24 was in reply to post 21, which was by you. And post 21 was the first one to talk about burning other people's cars as a political move.

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