Yo Boy said the least talented Super Bowl team he can recall is the 2002-03 Bucs that won the Super Bowl, so I'll address this answer to both of you but for different reasons, since he acknowledged talent is a huge factor in coaching success.


That Bucs team had two Hall of Fame inductees (Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks), one Hall of Fame Finalist(John Lynch-9 career Pro Bowls), another 3 time Pro Bowler (Simeon Rice), another Pro Bowler in LB Shelton Quarles, and Ronde Barber, who made five pro bowls and was a 3 time first team All Pro CB. That's just on defense. On the offensive side of the ball, that Bucs team boasted WR Keenan McCardell (you remember him, don't you), Keyshawn Johnson (3 time Pro Bowler), and Mike Alstott, a six time Pro Bowler and 3 time 1st team All Pro. Considering QB Brad Johnson also made the Pro Bowl that year, that team had at least TEN (10) one time or more Pro Bowlers on that team.

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I submit to you, Yo Boy, that Tampa team was more talented than you may have realized.


As for Flsportsgod, while Gruden won the Super Bowl with that Tampa team, most acknowledge Dungy was the architect of that team, as he had been the coach immediately before Gruden's arrival,and Gruden won the Super Bowl his first year with the Bucs. They kept the same defensive scheme-philosophy. Was the scheme gimmicky?


Now perhaps that is an aberration because that defense was absolutely loaded. Maybe it was gimmicky.


How did he do with Indy?


His Super Bowl winning team there had at least four defenders who would make the Pro Bowl at least once in that scheme: Freeney, Mathis, and Antoine Bethea. Oh yeah...they also had some guy who couldn't stay healthy named Bob Sanders.

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Granted, that team was horrible defensively for most of that Super Bowl winning season, but after we put up 375 yards on them, that defense started playing much better, and actually played at a high level in the playoffs that year. Dungy stayed with the Colts until 2008. The year AFTER they won the Super Bowl, the Colts finished first in scoring defense and 3rd in yards allowed. They added a healthy Bob Sanders, who made Pro Bowl and All Pro twice in his short career.


Did his defense become more gimmicky, or did talent have anything to do with it?


Thus far, Bradley hasn't worked with anywhere near the talent Dungy did with Tampa or Indy. Poz has made one pro bowl in his career, as has Marks (here in Jacksonville as an alternate). Dungy's teams in Tampa and Indy had studs on at least two levels of the defense and pass rushing catalysts. Bradley hasn't had that here. Only now can we begin to even entertain the thought (at best) Bradley has anything remotely close to what Dungy had to work with.

Yeah good points..Tampa was first to come to my head.. So are we basically saying now after 4 drafts Gus have his team?

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Clayborn and Allen?


Come on man, two future HOF players!

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Sanders was an absolute beast. No denying that. When he was on the field and healthy, you could make the argument he was the best, most physical SS in the game.


But that also goes to support my point that talent dictates performance. When significant talent was not on the field for Indy, their defense suffered.

I remember a two or three season stretch in which he had strong mvp consideration but I could be just crazy lol but ya talent wins games I don't wanna say coaches mean nothin but every coach was a scrub once an will be again kit rechman use to have a saying its players not plays or summn

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I think it's been hard to judge Gus properly to this point. He's made some questionable decisions, but he has gotten better in that regard as a coach.


To me, the defining factor for a coach is how hard his guys will keep playing for him. If you were to ask me, if there's one thing Gus can do, it's motivate his players to keep fighting even when the season is lost. You don't see teams who are 0-8 out there pushing and staying together in the locker room often.


It's actually pretty impressive how well Gus has been able to keep the players on his side through all of this. That being said, motivation and fight can only do so much when your players are just not starting NFL caliber.

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Clayborn and Allen?


Come on man, two future HOF players!

Apparently... LOL

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Yeah good points..Tampa was first to come to my head.. So are we basically saying now after 4 drafts Gus havw his team?

That seems to be the consensus.  I know it is my opinion.

 

Is there still room for players like the rookies, Rashad Greene, Lee, and Fowler to grow and mature as players?

 

Sure.

 

Will their inexperience lead to some mistakes? 

 

Sure.

 

Does there remain a hole or two on the roster?  Sure, most notably LG and LT, and kicker.

 

But as it stands now, I believe Bradley, for the first time since he has been here, has enough experienced and talented players to field a consistent and competitive team.

 

Going forth it is reasonable to expect the team to win under his coaching and to hold him to the same standards as any other coach.  If the team does not suffer a slew of catastrophic injuries, it is reasonable to hold him accountable if the team does not win.

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As for Flsportsgod, while Gruden won the Super Bowl with that Tampa team, most acknowledge Dungy was the architect of that team, as he had been the coach immediately before Gruden's arrival,and Gruden won the Super Bowl his first year with the Bucs. They kept the same defensive scheme-philosophy.  Was the scheme gimmicky?

 

Now perhaps that is an aberration because that defense was absolutely loaded.  Maybe it was gimmicky.

 

The cover 2 is not gimmicky because multiple teams have run it successfully for over 15 years, often without a loaded lineup. We've reached the point where it's been solved, but it's a staple not a gimmick. Right now the defense Gus wants to use basically works in 1 place, and only there because they have all-pro talent to run it. Dungy just couldn't put the offense together to get over the hump in Tampa, but he was a defensive coach, and having Manning in Indy really helped improve his glaring weakness. Bradley is a defensive coach who can't field a decent defense while trying to shoehorn in guys who aren't a scheme fit. Dungy coached Indy, he didn't copy Tampa Bay.  

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I've never seen any kind of fire from bradley to make me think he has some will to win

 

He strikes me as good ole bob over by the fire pit sippin on his bud light havin a good ole time with hoot and planning out that memorial day bbq.. hell yeh get er dun "coach" gus

 

he's got one of the worst beer bellies I have ever seen in my life, that man looks pregnant

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That seems to be the consensus.  I know it is my opinion.

 

Is there still room for players like the rookies, Rashad Greene, Lee, and Fowler to grow and mature as players?

 

Sure.

 

Will their inexperience lead to some mistakes? 

 

Sure.

 

Does there remain a hole or two on the roster?  Sure, most notably LG and LT, and kicker.

 

But as it stands now, I believe Bradley, for the first time since he has been here, has enough experienced and talented players to field a consistent and competitive team.

 

Going forth it is reasonable to expect the team to win under his coaching and to hold him to the same standards as any other coach.  If the team does not suffer a slew of catastrophic injuries, it is reasonable to hold him accountable if the team does not win.

 

I agree that he's out of time and out of excuses. That defense should be significantly better this year.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You guys should go back and look at some of our rosters.. In 2013 their was enough talent here to win more games then we did...



It dont take a team full of probowlers to win games... People need to acknowledge that this was Gus first head coaching gig... Maybe he just wasnt that good enough a Head Coach as well.

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You guys should go back and look at some of our rosters.. In 2013 their was enough talent here to win more games then we did...



It dont take a team full of probowlers to win games... People to acknowledge that this was Gus first head coaching gig... Maybe he just wasnt that good enough a Head Coach as well.

The 2013 team had talent?! What the hell did I just read?

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You guys should go back and look at some of our rosters.. In 2013 their was enough talent here to win more games then we did...



It dont take a team full of probowlers to win games... People to acknowledge that this was Gus first head coaching gig... Maybe he just wasnt that good enough a Head Coach as well.

Out of curiosity who on the 2013 roster did you like?

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You guys should go back and look at some of our rosters.. In 2013 their was enough talent here to win more games then we did...



It dont take a team full of probowlers to win games... People to acknowledge that this was Gus first head coaching gig... Maybe he just wasnt that good enough a Head Coach as well.

 

Trying too hard bub

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The cover 2 is not gimmicky because multiple teams have run it successfully for over 15 years, often without a loaded lineup. We've reached the point where it's been solved, but it's a staple not a gimmick. Right now the defense Gus wants to use basically works in 1 place, and only there because they have all-pro talent to run it. Dungy just couldn't put the offense together to get over the hump in Tampa, but he was a defensive coach, and having Manning in Indy really helped improve his glaring weakness. Bradley is a defensive coach who can't field a decent defense while trying to shoehorn in guys who aren't a scheme fit. Dungy coached Indy, he didn't copy Tampa Bay.  

Examples of teams that ran the cover 2 successfully without a loaded lineup?

 

As for the Jaguars defensive schemes, its roots date back to the Walsh era 49ers.  It's had success in multiple spots, including Green Bay.

 

The principles of Dungy's defense dates back to the Steelers of the 1970s.  I'm not sure what the originality of his schemes or the crossover from TB to Indy has to do with whether they were gimmicks.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl.../15005379/

 

Of particular relevance to my points...

 

 

The roots, however, traced to Pittsburgh with head coach Chuck Noll and defensive coordinator Bud Carson two decades before that. Dungy was a young defensive back then for the Steelers.

"People identified it with Tampa, but there was nothing different. We didn't make any changes from the 1975 playbook," Dungy said. "There isn't too much new in the game of football that hasn't been done before."

 

With tackle Warren Sapp, linebacker Derrick Brooks and safety John Lynch, those Buccaneers teams had quite the backbone.

"You can have the blueprints, but if you don't have the parts they don't work," Brooks said. "Players play the game. Systems don't."

 

Seams in the coverage, though, were easier to exploit without Hall of Fame players like Sapp and Brooks defending. Dungy and Edwards moved from the sideline to the TV studio. The increase in three-wide receiver and two-tight end sets, plus elite quarterback play, minimized the effectiveness of the Tampa 2.

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I'm not sure what part of the defense would be considered a "gimmick" Maybe the names Leo and OTTO?

 

When I think of gimmicks in football I think of something like the wildcat. Or Timmy.

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The 2013 team had talent?! What the hell did I just read?

Enough to win..

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Out of curiosity who on the 2013 roster did you like?

Jt.Thomas, Dwight Lowery, Justin Forsett, Mojo, Jeremy Mincey, Justin Blackmon.

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Trying too hard bub

Not really hard at all my friend.. I know the roster was bad but we had players good enough to win more then what we did. Hell i take that back Gabbert was only good enough to win 4 games.. Smh..

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Jt.Thomas, Dwight Lowery, Justin Forsett, Mojo, Jeremy Mincey, Justin Blackmon.

Blackmon was suspended for at least half of that year.

 

MJD was in his last year as a viable NFL RB, and he only got 800 yards that year and averaged <4ypc.

 

Forsett had six attempts that year, and had a nondescript career prior to arriving at the Jaguars. 

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/pl...rsJu00.htm

 

What was it about Forsett that you liked that was the difference in W-L-T record for the Jaguars?

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Blackmon was suspended for at least half of that year.


MJD was in his last year as a viable NFL RB, and he only got 800 yards that year and averaged <4ypc.


Forsett had six attempts that year, and had a nondescript career prior to arriving at the Jaguars.

Lowery played 3 games in 13 and Mincey played 8. It was amazing we won any games in 13. Yoboy is clueless.

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