64 TDs in 2 years...lol. More picks 6s than wins.


How many wobbles that completely missed the receiver?

 

I think right now both those numbers are tied at 11, which is still pretty sad after having nearly 3 years worth of starts at QB.

 

The "Blake has to play better" comment might be the understatement of the off season, but I am glad that it has been said out loud and quoted, and by more then one person at the top of the Jags organization.

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

64 TDs in 2 years...lol. More picks 6s than wins.

How many wobbles that completely missed the receiver?

how many times receivers dropped passes that end up being interceptions because of it? See we both can play that game so be fair to the situation and don't let your disdain for Blake interfered with the facts.

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how many times receivers dropped passes that end up being interceptions because of it? See we both can play that game so be fair to the situation and don't let your disdain for Blake interfered with the facts.

 

That's fair. Robinson played volleyball a lot last year when the ball was around him. We were on track for our most impressive opening drive of the season in Chicago and he ended it personally when he allowed a TD pass to turn into an end-zone INT. He also had one where it should have been a huge gain that ended up going the opposite direction. 

 

Blake hasn't been perfect. His passes were all over the place in 2016 but he certainly wasn't getting much help from his receivers. And, in the NFL, it's rare you're always going to get a perfect pass. Sometimes receivers have to step it up and make circus catches more often than not. That's why guys like Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, Odell Beckham Jr. & AJ Green are household names. 

 

We'll see what happens in 2017. I haven't given up on him just yet. But this is really going to be his sink or swim season of his career. Hopefully he can rise above. I don't want to see another draft choice spent at this position in 2018. 

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

 

 

Blake hasn't been perfect. His passes were all over the place in 2016 but he certainly wasn't getting much help from his receivers.

 

 

 

I see this opinion floated around a lot.  It's a little bit misleading in my opinion. 

 

Hurns (who played through multiple injuries) had some pretty ugly drops last season, but he also had some pretty great catches on throws that were very far from accurate, many of which led him into big hits. 

 

Robinson had a few gaffs, but they can literally be counted on one hand. 

What changed for Robinson in 2016 was the number of uncatchable balls thrown his way, the number of downfield passes and red-zone attempts.  

 

It was high in 2015:  80 receptions on 151 targets with 5 drops. That's 66 targets that couldn't get home due to inaccuracy or proper defense.

 

In 2016 Robinson had 73 receptions on 151 targets (eerily the same number) and this time only 3 drops. That's 75 uncatchable balls due to accuracy or proper defense. 

 

Lee shouldn't even enter the discussion. The two picks that came off of his hands were horribly inaccurate passes, and outside of that false narrative there is no gripe on his 2016 performance. 

 

All three of these guys DID actually make some circus catches for Blake and paid a price for it several times as well.

 

From this perspective, I think the only complaints I can muster would be A-Rob's two bobbles that turned into picks, and the 3 or 4 game stretch where he phoned in a few routes at different points of the game out of frustration. 

 

On the whole I think Blake's contributions to his poor 2016 performance greatly outweigh any dip in performance by his receivers.

We may have come away with two more wins in 2016 if crucial catches had been made vs the bears and tinhorns, but we're still talking a meager 5 wins. 

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I see this opinion floated around a lot.  It's a little bit misleading in my opinion. 

 

Hurns (who played through multiple injuries) had some pretty ugly drops last season, but he also had some pretty great catches on throws that were very far from accurate, many of which led him into big hits. 

 

Robinson had a few gaffs, but they can literally be counted on one hand. 

What changed for Robinson in 2016 was the number of uncatchable balls thrown his way, the number of downfield passes and red-zone attempts.  

 

It was high in 2015:  80 receptions on 151 targets with 5 drops. That's 66 targets that couldn't get home due to inaccuracy or proper defense.

 

In 2016 Robinson had 73 receptions on 151 targets (eerily the same number) and this time only 3 drops. That's 75 uncatchable balls due to accuracy or proper defense. 

 

Lee shouldn't even enter the discussion. The two picks that came off of his hands were horribly inaccurate passes, and outside of that false narrative there is no gripe on his 2016 performance. 

 

All three of these guys DID actually make some circus catches for Blake and paid a price for it several times as well.

 

From this perspective, I think the only complaints I can muster would be A-Rob's two bobbles that turned into picks, and the 3 or 4 game stretch where he phoned in a few routes at different points of the game out of frustration. 

 

On the whole I think Blake's contributions to his poor 2016 performance greatly outweigh any dip in performance by his receivers.

We may have come away with two more wins in 2016 if crucial catches had been made vs the bears and tinhorns, but we're still talking a meager 5 wins. 

 

leopold is going to be all over your [BLEEP], you hater.

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I see this opinion floated around a lot. It's a little bit misleading in my opinion.


Hurns (who played through multiple injuries) had some pretty ugly drops last season, but he also had some pretty great catches on throws that were very far from accurate, many of which led him into big hits.


Robinson had a few gaffs, but they can literally be counted on one hand.

What changed for Robinson in 2016 was the number of uncatchable balls thrown his way, the number of downfield passes and red-zone attempts.


It was high in 2015: 80 receptions on 151 targets with 5 drops. That's 66 targets that couldn't get home due to inaccuracy or proper defense.


In 2016 Robinson had 73 receptions on 151 targets (eerily the same number) and this time only 3 drops. That's 75 uncatchable balls due to accuracy or proper defense.


Lee shouldn't even enter the discussion. The two picks that came off of his hands were horribly inaccurate passes, and outside of that false narrative there is no gripe on his 2016 performance.


All three of these guys DID actually make some circus catches for Blake and paid a price for it several times as well.


From this perspective, I think the only complaints I can muster would be A-Rob's two bobbles that turned into picks, and the 3 or 4 game stretch where he phoned in a few routes at different points of the game out of frustration.


On the whole I think Blake's contributions to his poor 2016 performance greatly outweigh any dip in performance by his receivers.

We may have come away with two more wins in 2016 if crucial catches had been made vs the bears and tinhorns, but we're still talking a meager 5 wins.

God bless you

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I see this opinion floated around a lot.  It's a little bit misleading in my opinion. 

 

Hurns (who played through multiple injuries) had some pretty ugly drops last season, but he also had some pretty great catches on throws that were very far from accurate, many of which led him into big hits. 

 

Robinson had a few gaffs, but they can literally be counted on one hand. 

What changed for Robinson in 2016 was the number of uncatchable balls thrown his way, the number of downfield passes and red-zone attempts.  

 

It was high in 2015:  80 receptions on 151 targets with 5 drops. That's 66 targets that couldn't get home due to inaccuracy or proper defense.

 

In 2016 Robinson had 73 receptions on 151 targets (eerily the same number) and this time only 3 drops. That's 75 uncatchable balls due to accuracy or proper defense. 

 

Lee shouldn't even enter the discussion. The two picks that came off of his hands were horribly inaccurate passes, and outside of that false narrative there is no gripe on his 2016 performance. 

 

All three of these guys DID actually make some circus catches for Blake and paid a price for it several times as well.

 

From this perspective, I think the only complaints I can muster would be A-Rob's two bobbles that turned into picks, and the 3 or 4 game stretch where he phoned in a few routes at different points of the game out of frustration. 

 

On the whole I think Blake's contributions to his poor 2016 performance greatly outweigh any dip in performance by his receivers.

We may have come away with two more wins in 2016 if crucial catches had been made vs the bears and tinhorns, but we're still talking a meager 5 wins. 

(emphasis added)

 

No argument with the analysis overall, but I do have one minor quibble with the portion in bold.

 

While it did not feel like it throughout the game, we actually DID beat the Bears, even with AR's bobble.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

In 2016 Robinson had 73 receptions on 151 targets (eerily the same number) and this time only 3 drops. That's 75 uncatchable balls due to accuracy or proper defense. 

 

When I watched AR15 this year I thought he wasn't getting any separation on his routes. Especially after those early games when it became clear that the refs weren't going to give him the benefit of the call on contact it seemed like every throw was contested by the DBs. Now whether that was scheme, effort, talent, or accuracy I don't know, but it sure looks like our receivers are never running wide open with a step or two on the DB and that leaves Bortles very small windows for his not terribly accurate throws. 

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I see this opinion floated around a lot.  It's a little bit misleading in my opinion. 

 

Hurns (who played through multiple injuries) had some pretty ugly drops last season, but he also had some pretty great catches on throws that were very far from accurate, many of which led him into big hits. 

 

Robinson had a few gaffs, but they can literally be counted on one hand. 

What changed for Robinson in 2016 was the number of uncatchable balls thrown his way, the number of downfield passes and red-zone attempts.  

 

It was high in 2015:  80 receptions on 151 targets with 5 drops. That's 66 targets that couldn't get home due to inaccuracy or proper defense.

 

In 2016 Robinson had 73 receptions on 151 targets (eerily the same number) and this time only 3 drops. That's 75 uncatchable balls due to accuracy or proper defense. 

 

Lee shouldn't even enter the discussion. The two picks that came off of his hands were horribly inaccurate passes, and outside of that false narrative there is no gripe on his 2016 performance. 

 

All three of these guys DID actually make some circus catches for Blake and paid a price for it several times as well.

 

From this perspective, I think the only complaints I can muster would be A-Rob's two bobbles that turned into picks, and the 3 or 4 game stretch where he phoned in a few routes at different points of the game out of frustration. 

 

On the whole I think Blake's contributions to his poor 2016 performance greatly outweigh any dip in performance by his receivers.

We may have come away with two more wins in 2016 if crucial catches had been made vs the bears and tinhorns, but we're still talking a meager 5 wins. 

 

We ended up finishing 16th in dropped passes in 2016. I think most folks are more critical when you see TD's being flipped up for INT's. Blake wasn't perfect though like I said from the giddy up. He was very sloppy and messy with the majority of his passes throughout the year. Whether that was due to his separated shoulder or what not is debatable since he was throwing ducks earlier on during the year.  

 

This was highlighted on national television against the tacks on TNF. Where he was absolute trash in the first half of that game. Throwing footballs into the ground or at someone's feet. Or overthrowing it by a country mile over a receiver's head. He was so terrible that Phil Simms ripped him pretty hard about it and then Bradley quickly had to bat down the question by the sideline reporter when she asked him about a possible QB swap in the second half. 

 

Just a bit of a head scratcher in 2016 all across the board on offense. Hurns and Robinson would bail him out here and there but then they would drop easy ones. Lee really did put on a circus act for him throughout the year more than anybody though. Hopefully he tightens up on his accuracy this off-season. And they limit his attempts by building off of the ground game that Hackett seemed to figure out when he took the playbook over. 

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

 

Good one. Your first grade level comeback is noted, though it's a shame that you got even that wrong. Keep it up, though - maybe eventually you'll be ready to discuss football with the big boys.

 

Just admit you deliberately misrepresented Caldwell's words (or that you didn't understand them). It's not that difficult.

 

Or just admit that you believe this roster is full of Hall of Famers that just need to be given their 3rd, 4th, and 5th chances to prove to the world everything of which you already know.  Smartest man in the room mentality and all.

 

Losing has really softened this fan base into a bunch of emo, excuse makers.

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Or just admit that you believe this roster is full of Hall of Famers that just need to be given their 3rd, 4th, and 5th chances to prove to the world everything of which you already know. Smartest man in the room mentality and all.


Losing has really softened this fan base into a bunch of emo, excuse makers.

This has nothing to do with excuses man. You spun comments everyone can plainly see into something they werent and now youre getting called out on it.

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This has nothing to do with excuses man. You spun comments everyone can plainly see into something they werent and now youre getting called out on it.

 

How is there any spin whatsoever?

 

He literally said that Parnell played well his last 4 or 5 games and that he feels good about him.  It's his exact words...

 

And therein lies the problem.  We signed a career backup to be our RT based off a few good games in Dallas.  He plays mediocre his first year (about the level you would expect of a high end backup or low end starter).  He then has an awful sophomore year and we're off to pretending he's something that he's not.  It seems that it takes 3 consecutive bad seasons around here before a spade can be called a spade.

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I see this opinion floated around a lot. It's a little bit misleading in my opinion.


Hurns (who played through multiple injuries) had some pretty ugly drops last season, but he also had some pretty great catches on throws that were very far from accurate, many of which led him into big hits.


Robinson had a few gaffs, but they can literally be counted on one hand.

What changed for Robinson in 2016 was the number of uncatchable balls thrown his way, the number of downfield passes and red-zone attempts.


It was high in 2015: 80 receptions on 151 targets with 5 drops. That's 66 targets that couldn't get home due to inaccuracy or proper defense.


In 2016 Robinson had 73 receptions on 151 targets (eerily the same number) and this time only 3 drops. That's 75 uncatchable balls due to accuracy or proper defense.


Lee shouldn't even enter the discussion. The two picks that came off of his hands were horribly inaccurate passes, and outside of that false narrative there is no gripe on his 2016 performance.


All three of these guys DID actually make some circus catches for Blake and paid a price for it several times as well.


From this perspective, I think the only complaints I can muster would be A-Rob's two bobbles that turned into picks, and the 3 or 4 game stretch where he phoned in a few routes at different points of the game out of frustration.


On the whole I think Blake's contributions to his poor 2016 performance greatly outweigh any dip in performance by his receivers.

We may have come away with two more wins in 2016 if crucial catches had been made vs the bears and tinhorns, but we're still talking a meager 5 wins.

Pretty fair take. We can try to use hindsight all we want, but when it comes down to it....We won't know until the season starts.


I'm giving Blake a clean slate now that he has a competent coaching staff.


If he looks more like 2016 Blake than 2015 Blake, I'm all for replacing him next season.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

How is there any spin whatsoever?

 

He literally said that Parnell played well his last 4 or 5 games and that he feels good about him.  It's his exact words...

 

And therein lies the problem.  We signed a career backup to be our RT based off a few good games in Dallas.  He plays mediocre his first year (about the level you would expect of a high end backup or low end starter).  He then has an awful sophomore year and we're off to pretending he's something that he's not.  It seems that it takes 3 consecutive bad seasons around here before a spade can be called a spade.

Well to be fair, he did have Marone for a O-Line coach. The rest of the group were not that stellar either.

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When I watched AR15 this year I thought he wasn't getting any separation on his routes. Especially after those early games when it became clear that the refs weren't going to give him the benefit of the call on contact it seemed like every throw was contested by the DBs. Now whether that was scheme, effort, talent, or accuracy I don't know, but it sure looks like our receivers are never running wide open with a step or two on the DB and that leaves Bortles very small windows for his not terribly accurate throws.

Looked like effort to me. Which, btw, I don't really hold against these guys. It must have been a monumental struggle to try so hard for a guy like Gus who just runs you into the ground with no results for years.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

Well to be fair, he did have Marone for a O-Line coach. The rest of the group were not that stellar either.

 

Yeah, outside of Linder, the rest of the line is just a bunch of guys.  I'm crossing my fingers that Albert can be a 2nd stud.

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How is there any spin whatsoever?


He literally said that Parnell played well his last 4 or 5 games and that he feels good about him. It's his exact words...


And therein lies the problem. We signed a career backup to be our RT based off a few good games in Dallas. He plays mediocre his first year (about the level you would expect of a high end backup or low end starter). He then has an awful sophomore year and we're off to pretending he's something that he's not. It seems that it takes 3 consecutive bad seasons around here before a spade can be called a spade.

Youre ignoring the health part and just framing it as him just being bad.


I dont think parnell is good by any means but youre removing a key part of the sentence.

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I'm just tired of so much suckage.

 

Winning cures all.  Winning is more fun arguing about, losing and arguing is the worst.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

I'm just tired of so much suckage.

 

Winning cures all.  Winning is more fun arguing about, losing and arguing is the worst.

 

This X 10,000.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Youre ignoring the health part and just framing it as him just being bad.


I dont think parnell is good by any means but youre removing a key part of the sentence.

 

Yes, I am ignoring the health part.  Every player is playing through injury.  Unless his groin was torn like Fred's was, its just making excuses - the same that are made for all of our players.  He was a below average player without injury and an awful player with injury.

 

You are ignoring the part where Caldwell is content with Parnell, regardless of injury.  Injury didn't make him one of the most penalized players in the NFL.

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