Watch Giants games and you see a continuation of what we were doing in Jacksonville.  Is Eli Manning elite?  He does have 2 superbowl wins but really it is very similar to what TC did here.

 

I think people gloss over how frustrating it was to watch Brunell play while we were being spoiled by the wins.  He was good but not great and certainly not elite.  Remember the Lex and Terry Turn Overs delivered to the Monday morning show?  Yeah it was like that alot.

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Mark was a really good QB and had a couple of years there were he was probably a top 5 guy.  He made the pro-bowl but I think he stands out because we've never really had anyone better (Garrard was better than people usually give him credit for but was not a superstar by any stretch of the imagination).  With all that said, hard to say he was an elite player over the course of his career.  So if he wasn't an elite player then, hard to imagine he'd be an elite player now.  In his best year he might be one of the guys in the "also-ran" discussion.

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Like i said pre-injury Brunell is very simliar to Russell Wilson. Extending plays on the run and great accuracy throwing while moving. Also had a great RB in Fred Taylor like Marshawn Lynch... also had a good to elite defense to help him out...

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Mark was a really good QB and had a couple of years there were he was probably a top 5 guy.  He made the pro-bowl but I think he stands out because we've never really had anyone better (Garrard was better than people usually give him credit for but was not a superstar by any stretch of the imagination).  With all that said, hard to say he was an elite player over the course of his career.  So if he wasn't an elite player then, hard to imagine he'd be an elite player now.  In his best year he might be one of the guys in the "also-ran" discussion.

 

Brunell was never a top five QB. In his good years you could say he was top half of the league, but considering the talent around him his performance (except for maybe the 96 playoff game in Denver) wasn't even close to elite.

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Then how come he was a pro bowler and led the Jags to 4 playoff appearances? Also MVP in the pro bowl

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Then how come he was a pro bowler and led the Jags to 4 playoff appearances? Also MVP in the pro bowl

 

A guy that never threw more than 20 TD passes during a season with the Jaguars was a top 5 in the league QB? Are you just messing with me? Marc Bulger was a pro bowl mvp and so was Matt Schaub, not exactly the most significant award in a game where the best QBs often decline to attend and no one really great feels like they have anything to prove or play hard for. As for four playoff appearances, does he do that without one of the best teams in the league around him during most of that time?

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In the 90's nobody declined the pro bowl like today.

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In the 90's nobody declined the pro bowl like today.

 

Well that definitely means that Brunell was a top 5 QB, then. Someone should call Farve, Young, Aikman, Elway, and Marino and let them all know that Brunell was shoving one of them out of the bunch.

In 1997 12 guys threw more TDs during the season than Brunell. In 1999, the Jaguars "big year" 16 guys threw more TD passes during the season than Brunell. Brunell was literally bottom half of the league that season.

 

Good QB, not great, and that he is still the best guy to line up under center for the Jaguars says a lot about how bad the QB position has been here over the team's history.

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Garrard has a better career passer rating with a much worse team 

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Brunell was becoming special until his injury turned that trajectory an about face.

 

I wouldn't think the outcome would have been any different in this era.

 

I think he would have been just as successful now as he was then.

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Garrard has a better career passer rating with a much worse team 

 

Garrard isn't in Brunell's class.  He's more a Derek Anderson.  Not even a Jake Plummer.

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He was pretty talented. I don't see why not though. People forget that during his one brief stint with the Redskins they made the play-offs with him leading the way.

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Brunell was becoming special until his injury turned that trajectory an about face.

 

I wouldn't think the outcome would have been any different in this era.

 

I think he would have been just as successful now as he was then.

 

Personally I don't think he was, it's just that the fanbase got such a tease in the '96 playoffs that we thought he was going to become something he never was going to become. A QB has to be able to win with his arm and his mind from the pocket, Brunell was never able to do it in spite of getting years of development in that arena and playing for years behind a great offensive line with excellent skill players around him. It's time for us as Jaguars fans to admit the truth about Brunell, he was fun to watch for a couple of years, but was never destined to be more than a middle tier starting QB, which is what he was.

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Not sure why this question would arise today because he wasn't even an elite player in his own time so why would he be now?

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That's a fair point. For the talent Mark Brunell had around him offensively you would have honestly expected MORE from him. He did have a nice run though as our QB during the 96'-99' era. But he was kind of "meh" even during those years. We seemed to always a have solid defense and running game back then and he always going after Keenan or Jimmy in the air. Still, I'd take a guy like Brunell any day, all day right now for this franchise. We haven't had a QB of his caliber since he was traded to the Redskins. Garrard was the next best thing, still think Del Rio and Harris made a huge mistake not giving him a chance to develop when he was younger and going all-in for Leftwich when they took over.

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Not with Gabberts receivers.

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Brunell was never a top five QB. In his good years you could say he was top half of the league, but considering the talent around him his performance (except for maybe the 96 playoff game in Denver) wasn't even close to elite.

 

Oh, he was definitely a top-5 QB for a short stretch, you must be to young to have seen him play.  In 96-99 while he may not have been the best statistically don't forget in '96 I think it was he gained more yards rushing/passing than anyone since Unitas.  He was incredibly effective.  He was a first team pro-bowler and won the pro-bowl MVP one year. Don't be fooled, if he could have sustained that 3 year stretch for a decade or so he would be a first ballot hall of famer.

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When was he a top 3 quarterback? In the Jaguars run of 96-99, Favre and Young were clearly better.


Hell, Vinny Testaverde had multiple seasons in that stretch with more TD passes than Brunell ever had.


I like Brunell. He was the first jersey I owned. He brought the fans alot of great memories. But being the first face of this franchise, and the mostly terrible quarterbacks that have followed him, have inflated his legacy.

Agree. Our current franchise single season TD record has already been topped by guys like andy dalton, kaep, etc. Heck even Carr had 20+ tds with the raiders.


Hell give Brady Jimmy,Keenan, Fred, Boselli etc and watch what would happen.

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Oh, he was definitely a top-5 QB for a short stretch, you must be to young to have seen him play.  In 96-99 while he may not have been the best statistically don't forget in '96 I think it was he gained more yards rushing/passing than anyone since Unitas.  He was incredibly effective.  He was a first team pro-bowler and won the pro-bowl MVP one year. Don't be fooled, if he could have sustained that 3 year stretch for a decade or so he would be a first ballot hall of famer.

 

What stretch was this? I've already been over the rest.

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Answer to OP's question:


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