I can read vry gud. You called Caldwell a needs drafter. When in reality every GM is a mixture between needs and BAP.

95 percent of the board would agree with me that he is a needs drafter. Which is why he passed up better prospects to draft players such fowler over cooper, yeldon over anyone else in the 2nd round, etc

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95 percent of the board would agree with me that he is a needs drafter. Which is why he passed up better prospects to draft players such fowler over cooper, yeldon over anyone else in the 2nd round, etc

Nah, like every GM he mixes needs with BAP depending on who is there.


Would you call us drafting Jon Allen a need pick or a BAP pick?

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Nah, like every GM he mixes needs with BAP depending on who is there.


Would you call us drafting Jon Allen a need pick or a BAP pick?

If we have Odrick, BAP. if gone, BAP and needs, which is just a fortunate situation for him to be in like last year with ramsey. He's not the type of GM though that is going to take a player in the early rounds if it does not fit an area of need. If Beachum stays at left tackle (let's pretend we have an equally talented right tackle) and there was a Boselli like prospect at 4 along with Adams (assuming Cyp was let go) he would draft Adams 10/10 times

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If we have Odrick, BAP. if gone, BAP and needs, which is just a fortunate situation for him to be in like last year with ramsey. He's not the type of GM though that is going to take a player in the early rounds if it does not fit an area of need. If Beachum stays at left tackle (let's pretend we have an equally talented right tackle) and there was a Boselli like prospect at 4 along with Adams (assuming Cyp was let go) he would draft Adams 10/10 times

See I would see Allen as a need even if we have Odrick.


That's exactly the situation he drafted Joeckel in man. We had Monroe at LT and Caldwell drafted Luke because he was the best LT prospect in years and the safest pick in the draft.

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See I would see Allen as a need even if we have Odrick.


That's exactly the situation he drafted Joeckel in man. We had Monroe at LT and Caldwell drafted Luke because he was the best LT prospect in years and the safest pick in the draft.

No body said he was the best LT prospect in years, just the best prospect in a historically weak draft class. He really had no choice

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No body said he was the best LT prospect in years, just the best prospect in a historically weak draft class. He really had no choice

He was though, he was highly touted as being one of the best prospects in years at the LT spot.


If he was a pure needs drafter how come he didn't pick a player at a bigger need?

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He was though, he was highly touted as being one of the best prospects in hears at the LT spot.


If he was a pure needs drafter how come he didn't pick a player at a bigger need?

Technically we did need joke at right tackle

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Technically we did need joke at right tackle

That's not why he was drafted though, Luke was drafted to play LT.


Look at Fowler, sure you could say he was a "need" pick, but he was also widely seen as a top 5 player around the league. Its quite likely that he was also BAP for Caldwell.

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That's not why he was drafted though, Luke was drafted to play LT.


Look at Fowler, sure you could say he was a "need" pick, but he was also widely seen as a top 5 player around the league. Its quite likely that he was also BAP for Caldwell.

Some had Fowler at #1.

 

Allen, Garret, Adams and Thomas...... Looking more and more likely that it will be one of those 4. I don't think an RB will be the pick at 4. This draft is loaded at RB, CB and Dline. One of those 4 guys in the 1st, then CB in the 2nd, then RB maybe in the 3rd. I think Coughlin will improve the Oline in FA because the Jags don't want to go into next season relying on a rookie for the oline.

 

Defense will continue to improve. Run game will get better and take pressure of Blake..... And damnit..... the Jags hooked me again!

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Some had Fowler at #1.


Allen, Garret, Adams and Thomas...... Looking more and more likely that it will be one of those 4. I don't think an RB will be the pick at 4. This draft is loaded at RB, CB and Dline. One of those 4 guys in the 1st, then CB in the 2nd, then RB maybe in the 3rd. I think Coughlin will improve the Oline in FA because the Jags don't want to go into next season relying on a rookie for the oline.


Defense will continue to improve. Run game will get better and take pressure of Blake..... And damnit..... the Jags hooked me again!

Kind of like last year in that we have a guaranteed stud to draft regardless of what happens. I'd like to go Dline-Oline-RB.


Yeah I didn't think I'd get excited about next season so quickly after this years mess. Bradley being gone+ Coughlin is what all my faith is going on. If this regime fails its going to be very very tough.

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He was though, he was highly touted as being one of the best prospects in years at the LT spot.


If he was a pure needs drafter how come he didn't pick a player at a bigger need?

 

 

I don't remember that at all. In fact, I hated Joeckel and remember yelling at the TV when we selected him. I desperately wanted DeAndre Hopkins. I thought he was the best WR I'd seen in a while and the best player in that draft by far. Granted it was a weak draft and Hopkins did have a down year in 2016, but I stand by my choice. I didn't see any LT in that draft that I liked that much. I was hoping we might take a late round flyer on David Quessenberry of San Jose State, but that really wouldn't have worked out either. He has yet to show what he is capable of since being diagnosed a while ago with Lymphoma.

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I don't remember that at all. In fact, I hated Joeckel and remember yelling at the TV when we selected him. I desperately wanted DeAndre Hopkins. I thought he was the best WR I'd seen in a while and the best player in that draft by far. Granted it was a weak draft and Hopkins did have a down year in 2016, but I stand by my choice. I didn't see any LT in that draft that I liked that much. I was hoping we might take a late round flyer on David Quessenberry of San Jose State, but that really wouldn't have worked out either. He has yet to show what he is capable of since being diagnosed a while ago with Lymphoma.

Its true. Seems weird now but Luke was widely known as one of the best tackle prospects to come out in ages and was seen as the safest pick in the draft. Hindsight will tell us that he was overhyped probably due to Johnny football more than anything.

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Its true. Seems weird now but Luke was widely known as one of the best tackle prospects to come out in ages and was seen as the safest pick in the draft. Hindsight will tell us that he was overhyped probably due to Johnny football more than anything.

 

 

Again, I don't remember him being that hyped at all. Maybe by the Jacksonville media after the fact, but Texas A&M has had a history of turning out overhyped OT's that amount to nothing in the NFL. 

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Again, I don't remember him being that hyped at all. Maybe by the Jacksonville media after the fact, but Texas A&M has had a history of turning out overhyped OT's that amount to nothing in the NFL.

Only thing I remember about Joeckel the prospect going into the draft was how young he was and how he still hasn't fulfilled his frame as an athlete. Two red flags imo.

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Again, I don't remember him being that hyped at all. Maybe by the Jacksonville media after the fact, but Texas A&M has had a history of turning out overhyped OT's that amount to nothing in the NFL.

A simple glance at all of the pre draft talk about him show how hyped he was.

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If you don't remember the pre-draft Joeckel hype, you either drink too much or you weren't really paying attention.

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If you don't remember the pre-draft Joeckel hype, you either drink too much or you weren't really paying attention.

Agreed.  He was a lock for #1 overall until about a night or two before the draft when Glazer said they were going with Fisher.  He was hyped up as one of the most polished LTs to come out in a while.

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Again, I don't remember him being that hyped at all. Maybe by the Jacksonville media after the fact, but Texas A&M has had a history of turning out overhyped OT's that amount to nothing in the NFL.

Then you must not have watched anything draft related around the time of that draft.

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https://twitter.com/clevezirm/status/829105684461465601

 

On the other hand, we might be dealing with a freak in Thomas too. For reference, Donald did a 4.39, Fowler did a 4.32, Beasley did a 4.15, and Von Miller did at 4.06. 

 

If 4.09 winds up being even close to legit that's insane for his density. 

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He looks pretty quick there I wonder if you cut a couple pounds. I think I could get on board with him at 4

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