Again, this is a fair argument simply position vs position. I just grade Beasley as a better prospect overall. He could be an annual contender for league sack leader to me. I like Cooper a lot (I have said several times he is #2 on my wish list), but I look at him more like a Roddy White or Nuk Hopkins type WR. Better suited as a low end WR1 or very good WR2.

I really like Beasley too. He is my number 1 pass rusher and the only one I would draft in the top 5. I just wouldnt take him before an elite receiver prospect like Cooper or White. I would take Beasley before any defensive player.


Maybe Roddy White is a low end 1 or high wr2 now, but before Julio, injuries and age, he was a 115 catch 1400 yd receiver.

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Maybe Roddy White is a low end 1 or high wr2 now, but before Julio, injuries and age, he was a 115 catch 1400 yd receiver.

Oh I know he was a stats fiend, top 10 fantasy WR, etc...but I would label him as more of a stats compiler. I don't think he was ever viewed as a legit, keep you up at night, gameplan type top WR1 like a Dez/Julio/Megatron/Green. We are picking nits, though. Cooper will be quite good and he is safe, just think Beasley is a bit better and undoubtedly more of a need. 

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Fair enough.

 

I feel like Jimmy Smith helps this team more than Tony Brackens right now. (not actual player comparisons)

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Cooper did break Julio Jones' records at 'Bama who Caldwell loved. So Cooper at 3 isn't that far-fetched.

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I think cooper is a little overrated. In the NFL he should be a good player for a long time and have a good career.


He just isn't going to be the game breaker he was in college, in my opinion.


We have a guy on our team that I think compares pretty favorably to cooper in marqise Lee.


Not exact clones, but will offer the same kind of services.


I know this is contrary to popular opinion, but just putting my two cents out there since that's what we do here.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

Cooper is obviously a far better route runner with far better hands. Two pretty big differences.

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Oh I know he was a stats fiend, top 10 fantasy WR, etc...but I would label him as more of a stats compiler. I don't think he was ever viewed as a legit, keep you up at night, gameplan type top WR1 like a Dez/Julio/Megatron/Green. We are picking nits, though. Cooper will be quite good and he is safe, just think Beasley is a bit better and undoubtedly more of a need. 

 

I definitely agree with you that Beasley is the best player in the draft based on talent/fit/needs. However, I think you're selling Roddy White a little bit short there. Obviously he was not a Calvin Johnson level talent, few are, but he was still someone the defense had to account for. In his prime, the defense needed to make sure corners were playing tight coverage against or was shaded by safeties or he was going to beat you consistently. He may have not had the physical talents of the current true #1 WRs, but he was still a worth game-planning against. Atlanta had top 10 offenses when he was a focal point and in his prime, unfortunately the defense consistently let them down, so they didn't make it far and their offense won't be remembered much.

 

I'd also consider Cooper a far superior prospect in terms of refinement of the craft as well as his physical gifts. Would he be top five WR? No, that's reserved for the physical freaks who can harness all their talent, but I think he could top out as a backend top 10 WR. That would be worth the #3 pick.

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The guy is incredible at finding the holes in the zone and seems to be a smart well rounded guy.


He would help bortles right away particulary on 3rd down. My issue with him is his size . Same issue I had with Sammy Watkins last year unless your 6 foot 5 and run a 4.3 I'm not really interested in taking you at 3 especially not in a deep draft with the trend to bigger corners not to mention Watkins was more elusive after the catch than Cooper.


Personally I would only take him after a trade down and only then if there was no Leo prospect available

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Oh I know he was a stats fiend, top 10 fantasy WR, etc...but I would label him as more of a stats compiler. I don't think he was ever viewed as a legit, keep you up at night, gameplan type top WR1 like a Dez/Julio/Megatron/Green. We are picking nits, though. Cooper will be quite good and he is safe, just think Beasley is a bit better and undoubtedly more of a need.

I'll agree and say I like Vic Beasley better, but we haven't had a 1000 yard receiver in a decade, and we finished higher than most teams in sacks last year. I know the pressure is inconsistent and the Dline is old or injured for the most part, but I think we can roll with what we have for one more season.

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For the Jag, it comes down to one of the DEs or Cooper. Too high to take an online man. I am all for drafting Cooper if they see him on the same level as AJ Green and Julio Jones.


Get McCourty and Julius Thomas in FA, and some big ugly oline men in rounds 2-7.

 

I hear this refrain a lot -- "if they consider him" to be on the level as Green and Jones. Let's discuss -- is he going to play on that level? I believe not, but he could be Reggie Wayne, and in that case he's worth taking given the uncertainty surrounding the defenders. 

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I hear this refrain a lot -- "if they consider him" to be on the level as Green and Jones. Let's discuss -- is he going to play on that level? I believe not, but he could be Reggie Wayne, and in that case he's worth taking given the uncertainty surrounding the defenders.

Exactly. I see him as a faster Reggie Wayne

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I think cooper is a little overrated. In the NFL he should be a good player for a long time and have a good career.


He just isn't going to be the game breaker he was in college, in my opinion.


We have a guy on our team that I think compares pretty favorably to cooper in marqise Lee.


Not exact clones, but will offer the same kind of services.


I know this is contrary to popular opinion, but just putting my two cents out there since that's what we do here.

 

Why won't he be a game breaker? The guy is an elite route runner with elite short area quickness/burst/long speed, I'd be shocked if he wasn't a game breaker.

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I was really against Cooper being the pick at first, and I still hope we go pass rusher. But if he is chosen it wont be that bad. Gives Blake tons of weapons. I dont think hes a true number 1 type WR but he is very good. 

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Yeah maybe he isn't as flashy as Calvin Johnson but I think the guy can be one of the top receivers in the league. Very Marvin Harrison like.

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Why won't he be a game breaker? The guy is an elite route runner with elite short area quickness/burst/long speed, I'd be shocked if he wasn't a game breaker.

 

he is a really good route runner. that can be coached, the players we have can all become really good route runners. 

 

how much more potential does cooper have? in my opinion he is coming out as a very polished player with not a ton more of upside. 

 

i disagree with you about his elite speed, he doesnt have the kind of speed that sammy watkins has and cooper does have his fair amount of drops.

 

again, to me he is a lot alike marqise lee, and we stole him in the second round. 

 

would you draft marqise at 3 overall?

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

I don't agree at all. Cooper is twice the prospect that Lee was. Not even close. Different players too so there's no comparison.

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I don't agree at all. Cooper is twice the prospect that Lee was. Not even close. Different players too so there's no comparison.

 

i mean, im not even the only one who thinks this. ive read other people who get paid a lot of money make the comparison too. 

 

thanks for pointing out they were different players though. i though lee suited up for bama on saturdays and just called himself cooper. 

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

i mean, im not even the only one who thinks this. ive read other people who get paid a lot of money make the comparison too.


thanks for pointing out they were different players though. i though lee suited up for bama on saturdays and just called himself cooper.

So because they get paid to talk about these guys they are right 100% of the time? Poor argument.


Alright well if you just want to be sarcastic instead of actually have a civil debate then I'm out.

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So because they get paid to talk about these guys they are right 100% of the time? Poor argument.


Alright well if you just want to be sarcastic instead of actually have a civil debate then I'm out.

 

"Cooper is twice the prospect that Lee was. Not even close." 

 

if it wasnt close the people who make a living doing this wouldnt just be able to make those statements. sure people are wrong, players dont pan out, but comparing prospects isnt the same as saying cooper will = lee when its all said and done. 

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

he is a really good route runner. that can be coached, the players we have can all become really good route runners. 

 

how much more potential does cooper have? in my opinion he is coming out as a very polished player with not a ton more of upside. 

 

i disagree with you about his elite speed, he doesnt have the kind of speed that sammy watkins has and cooper does have his fair amount of drops.

 

again, to me he is a lot alike marqise lee, and we stole him in the second round. 

 

would you draft marqise at 3 overall?

 

Marqise is still learning routes. He's raw. 

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