I respectfully disagree. That shows that the Jaguars defense has improved drastically over the past 3 games relative to where they were last season and earlier in the year.


Why is this information not useful?

 

Because it is misleading. What if during the first month we were missing guys because of injuries (or in one case a suspension)? what about the schedule - who we lost to in September, number of road games, etc.? Numbers without contest if you don't include all games that have been played to date.

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I disagree... These players, for the most part are all young. We got rid of most of our vets and blew up the entire team when Gus took over. In addition to that, we're playing this seattle defense that needs to be coached and properly implemented.


I think you assume that just because these guys played college ball, they are all completely formed players that you can plug and play with little coaching.


That's not how this works. Especially given that the Seattle 3 deep zone system is not what any of these players were used to playing before they got here. So yeah, I totally disagree with what you're saying here.


You are correct that nobody knows what goes on during film sessions and subsequent practices, but are you gonna sit there with a straight face and say that you are confident that our players are getting the most out of their time under Gus?


The regression that we've seen from almost every player (besides Lee) is not some freak accident. Think it through.

Just so you know, the difference in cover 3 and 2 is the responsibilities of the secondary. The lb zones are the same (exception being you move the strong side lb into the flat as opposed to the SS). Anyone who has played at least high-school would have plenty experience running both. As far as Bradley's version, the design of stopping the run is different, but not on a mad scientist level. Every defense will have a spot of vulnerability when it comes to coverage.

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4 field goals.

And the D wore down by the end.


Why all the hate for the D all of a sudden?

This seasons failures falls directly on Bortles, Gus, and the WRs that can't catch.

Also... Oline needs to run block better, but even with a gimpy run game we could have won a lot of games that were lost at the hands of BB5, AR15, and Bradley.

Yeah just saying its not the 5th best in the league.

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The jags aren't last in 3rd down defense anymore.

 

They are now 72/186 for 39% which is 15th.

 

The defense has improved significantly over the course of the season.

 

Fair enough, but think about the weak offenses we've been playing over the past month or so.  I think the "improvement" and I use that term loosely is more based on the inept offenses we've played more than any improvement by the team...  Just sayin'

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I hate it when people throw around "last x games" or "since Week x" stats. Only full-season numbers are useful.

Maybe full-season numbers are the only useful stats for a lot of things.


However, in this case, it was widely discussed, and expected, throughout the offseason and preseason that the defense was very young at core spots, and also infused with a lot of new players via FA.


The expectation was that it would take a while for the defense to really start gelling together and improving over the course of the season. (Rightfully so)


We can debate about this year's defense being good or not.

But, I think the important thing to remember is that the defense is basically new and improving. It has already improved a lot in some key areas of the game. If the Jags pick another defensive "stud" with their early picks in the next draft, combined with the extra experience these young guys are getting, the Jags defense could REALLY be much improved and one of the better units in the league in the next 2-3 years.


It's good to see.

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Fair enough, but think about the weak offenses we've been playing over the past month or so.  I think the "improvement" and I use that term loosely is more based on the inept offenses we've played more than any improvement by the team...  Just saying.

 

Here are the opponent scores for each game this season:

 

Packers: 27

Chargers: 38

Ravens: 19

Colts: 27

Bears: 16

Raiders: 33

Titans: 36

Chiefs: 19

Texans: 24

Lions: 26

Bills: 28

Broncos: 20

Vikings: 25

 

Two of our best games in the points allowed category were against the 7-6 Ravens and 10-3 Chiefs. The Packers score is misleading: Aaron Rodgers was held under 200 yards passing on a day officials wanted to win. I don't see a disguised improvement on the scoreboard.

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You are conveniently leaving out points directly attributed to BB and his pick-6s, and punt returns for TD.


-Houston 17 points (BB pick-6 made it 24)

-Detroit 12 points (BB pick-6 AND a punt return TD accounted for 14 points)

-Denver 13 points (BB pick-6 made it 20)


That's FOUR TD's (28 points) in only 3 games that the defense had NOTHING to do with.

You know that though.

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You are conveniently leaving out points directly attributed to BB and his pick-6s, and punt returns for TD.


-Houston 17 points (BB pick-6 made it 24)

-Detroit 12 points (BB pick-6 AND a punt return TD accounted for 14 points)

-Denver 13 points (BB pick-6 made it 20)


That's FOUR TD's (28 points) in only 3 games that the defense had NOTHING to do with.

You know that though.

 

I was not "conveniently" leaving out anything. For starters I was unable to watch the Lions game.

 

Looking at the whole season, how many points did we give up that can't be blamed on the defense?

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Here are the opponent scores for each game this season:

 

Packers: 27

Chargers: 38

Ravens: 19

Colts: 27

Bears: 16

Raiders: 33

Titans: 36

Chiefs: 19

Texans: 24

Lions: 26

Bills: 28

Broncos: 20

Vikings: 25

 

Two of our best games in the points allowed category were against the 7-6 Ravens and 10-3 Chiefs. The Packers score is misleading: Aaron Rodgers was held under 200 yards passing on a day officials wanted to win. I don't see a disguised improvement on the scoreboard.

 

The vikings, broncos, bills, and texans all have trash offenses with really terrible QBs...  That's my point...

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The vikings, broncos, bills, and texans all have trash offenses with really terrible QBs...  That's my point...

 

We gave up more points to all of them than better offenses called the Ravens and Chiefs.

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All teams have trash offenses on their schedule.

 

Look at AZ's schedule. LA and SF twice, MIN, MIA.

 

Does that mean they aren't a good defense?

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All teams have trash offenses on their schedule.

 

Look at AZ's schedule. LA and SF twice, MIN, MIA.

 

Does that mean they aren't a good defense?

 

My concern is not about any other defense, other than ours.

 

I mentioned why I feel our defense is bad, I lay most of the blame on the coaching.  I specifically pointed out that I believe that based on how our players failed to take their perfomance to the next level can be seen as a result of a lack of preparation and proper practice and film analysis.

 

The argument that our defense has statistically gotten better over the last few weeks is valid.  But it is still an argument I reject.  I reject it because based on the teams we've played over the last month and a half, I'm not too impressed with an uptick in certain statistics.

 

The fact remains that when there are critical moments of a game, specifically when the Defense has an opportunity to get of the field, we fail to execute on a consistent basis.

 

That's my opinion.  And I think it has merit.

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All teams have trash offenses on their schedule.

 

Look at AZ's schedule. LA and SF twice, MIN, MIA.

 

Does that mean they aren't a good defense?

 

That has nothing to do with our defense.

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You may not care about other teams, but that doesn't change the fact that they all play the same teams and face the same types of situations.

 

You can't make a valid argument when you apply double standards to teams that play in the same league.

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You may not care about other teams, but that doesn't change the fact that they all play the same teams and face the same types of situations.

 

You can't make a valid argument when you apply double standards to teams that play in the same league.

 

Arizona is not one of the teams on our schedule this season, so in 2016 comparing their defense to ours is irrelevant. Now maybe you would have a point if your example was one of the NFCN teams.

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My concern is not about any other defense, other than ours.

 

I mentioned why I feel our defense is bad, I lay most of the blame on the coaching.  I specifically pointed out that I believe that based on how our players failed to take their perfomance to the next level can be seen as a result of a lack of preparation and proper practice and film analysis.

 

The argument that our defense has statistically gotten better over the last few weeks is valid.  But it is still an argument I reject.  I reject it because based on the teams we've played over the last month and a half, I'm not too impressed with an uptick in certain statistics.

 

The fact remains that when there are critical moments of a game, specifically when the Defense has an opportunity to get of the field, we fail to execute on a consistent basis.


 

That's my opinion.  And I think it has merit.

Coaches can't make BB throw an accurate pass during game time, nor can they make receivers catch the ball, the RB find the seam to run through, or make the QB see the whole field etc. They can go through everything like that in what little they practice they do nowadays, but the coach just can not make them execute ...No matter how many times  they walk through each play, no matter how many times they show game video and point out what players did wrong, the coaches can not make the players execute the plays...This is the kind of thing that just make me wonder when people complain about the coaches but never put any blame on the players for not executing...I think Tony Boselli has touched on this a few times...

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Coaches can't make BB throw an accurate pass during game time, nor can they make receivers catch the ball, the RB find the seam to run through, or make the QB see the whole field etc. They can go through everything like that in what little they practice they do nowadays, but the coach just can not make them execute ...No matter how many times  they walk through each play, no matter how many times they show game video and point out what players did wrong, the coaches can not make the players execute the plays...This is the kind of thing that just kills me when people complain about the coaches but never put any blame on the players for not executing...I think Tony Boselli has touched on this a few times...

 

Actually some of the people who say we need a whole new coaching staff are also criticizing players for not executing. The fact is better coaching will lead to better execution. Although in the end players are responsible for execution, they're not able to do it with bad coaching in meetings and practice. Execution is a two-way street.

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Yeah just saying its not the 5th best in the league.

 

"Not 5th best" is an opinion.  Could be right, could be wrong. 

 

4th ranked is a fact.   It's a statistic. 

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"Not 5th best" is an opinion.  Could be right, could be wrong. 

 

4th ranked is a fact.   It's a statistic. 

 

Statistics mean nothing by themselves. If you don't watch the games, you have no idea why we are ranked #4 out of 32 teams.

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"Not 5th best" is an opinion. Could be right, could be wrong.

4th ranked is a fact. It's a statistic.

Statistics say its not the 4th best defense in the league.

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