I think if Blake didn't have 19 million attached to him, I'd be all for it. But for 19-23 million, could we find someone better? Do we throw the house at Brees considering how much Payton apparently loves Mayfield? I don't think I want Cousins but Keenum, Alex Smith, Bradford? Smith will have to be through a trade but is he an upgrade? He doesn't turn the ball over and completes a high %.

This will be the biggest topic during the off-season and I don't think it's close.

I think the best bet for this team right now is to load up talent around Bortles. Shore up the OL, TE, and WR (lots of unknowns with AR, Lee, Hurns, and some young guys) positions.
On D, more depth and youth on DL and perhaps upgrading the safety spot (FS and SS). If BB5 falters in 2018, the roster would be better built for a rookie or 2nd  year guy to take over.

I think this will most likely be what happens.

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To my previous colleges, Cousins is a good qb and would most likely be an upgrade. The issue is what you will have to pay Cousins. Blake’s 19 million puts him around 15-17 highest paid qb. Cousins will be the highest paid qb in the offseason (either Franchised or free agent). Blake was the 11 ranked passer this league. Cousins was 8th I beleive. Is Cousins worth 11 million more? Statistically you get 400 more passing yards 3 more completion percentage points and 6 more tds same amount of ints. This is also with better receiver options to throw to. Cousins is also 28-29. Blake is 24.

Cousins to me isn’t enough of an upgrade to essential destroy your roster 2 years from now. If he can’t carry a roster to the playoffs now why would he do it once he’s taking up 30% of our salary cap and we can’t feild a team.

Now if we talking Brees I’m all for it.

Smith is poo. Just draft Blake the weapons he’s got and we can win a Super Bowls. I don’t think smith has ever taken a team to a conference game. Bradford has done nothing but be hurt and Keenum is gonna get paid. All of these moves seem like lateral moves except for Brees and I don’t know if he’s leaving NO when they can just re-sing him and draft Mayfeild.

Just keep Blake and get him the weapons instead of having to dominate with Mickens, Cole and Lee

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I think the best bet for this team right now is to load up talent around Bortles. Shore up the OL, TE, and WR (lots of unknowns with AR, Lee, Hurns, and some young guys) positions.
On D, more depth and youth on DL and perhaps upgrading the safety spot (FS and SS). If BB5 falters in 2018, the roster would be better built for a rookie or 2nd  year guy to take over.

I think this will most likely be what happens.

Yeah... I believe the option is best for all parties involved (as opposed to an extension that lessens the yearly amount but kinda ties us to Blake beyond the next season)
Bortles gets 19 mil (solid ched)
Jags get "one more look"
and a good season get Bortles a huge pay day. A bad one or even mediocre lets everyone go their own way, Jags move on to young guy from this draft, hopefully, and Bortles  goes somewhere on a backup/competing type contract. (maybe the Jets, right spacecoast?)

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To my previous colleges, Cousins is a good qb and would most likely be an upgrade. The issue is what you will have to pay Cousins. Blake’s 19 million puts him around 15-17 highest paid qb. Cousins will be the highest paid qb in the offseason (either Franchised or free agent). Blake was the 11 ranked passer this league. Cousins was 8th I beleive. Is Cousins worth 11 million more? Statistically you get 400 more passing yards 3 more completion percentage points and 6 more tds same amount of ints. This is also with better receiver options to throw to. Cousins is also 28-29. Blake is 24.

Cousins to me isn’t enough of an upgrade to essential destroy your roster 2 years from now. If he can’t carry a roster to the playoffs now why would he do it once he’s taking up 30% of our salary cap and we can’t feild a team.

It's more than the statistics.  My point in my prior post was about his potential for game winning drives when you absolutely need the plays.  Cousins had 4 this year and has had multiple in each season during his tenure as full time starter.  Blake had 1 (it was the Chargers game if you even want to count that as a game winning drive) and there were several opportunities where he was given the opportunity to win the game this year and couldn't get it done.  Maybe it's not all on him in certain games, but that's why you look at the larger sample of games because you can't always say it's not on him.

However, I just became aware of the fact that Bortles' 5th year option fully guarantees on March 14th just prior to free agency opening at 4:00 pm that day.  Teams are allowed to talk to players a couple of days ahead of that deadline, but the Jags would be taking an awful risk in deciding to cut Bortles with the belief that they would be signing Cousins immediately.  They'd have to have a verbal agreement already in place and have the written one in front of a free agent Cousins to sign right at 4:00 pm and at 3:59 would have just announced they'd just cut Bortles.  If Cousins balked we'd be screwed as Bortles would probably feel pretty slighted to come back and sign here, but who knows.  I previously believed we had until the start of the season to make the decision on Bortles, but I'm not sure where I got that from now.

Based on those timelines, I think Bortles will probably be here under the option next year regardless if Cousins comes available and that we'll draft a guy to replace Henne and push Bortles in rounds 1-3.

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If Blake proves he's really the right guy next year and we decide to sign him, he's going to get money in the same ball park as Cousins anyway. If they decide to tag him next year instead it will be in the same ballpark as well. So what's the real difference between paying a guy this year or next year especially when we can afford it? It's going to happen at some point.

And actually I think they'd already have the potential deal with Cousins signed, it would just be submitted right at 4:00 pm to the league, so they could almost simultaneously cut and sign. But who knows. It will be interesting to see what the front office thinks is best.

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Cousins can't win crap.

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Cousins can't win crap.

Cousins has not had the luxury of a #1 rushing offense and #2 scoring defense.

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Bortles was 12 in Total QBR this year Cousins was 16th. I don't know why people think Cousins is an automatic upgrade. Because his team was behind alot in the 4th quarter and he had some comebacks. Bortles had 4 comeback drives in 2015. This year the average margin of victory for the Jags was 3 touchdowns. That's why there was only 1 comeback. If I recall correctly he brought the Jags back against the Cardinals with a TD to tie in the 4th before they hit a 57 yard field goal to win on the final play. He drove for a game tying field goal with under a minute to go against the jets before they won in overtime. Scored 2 late touchdowns against San Francisco to get the Jags within 4 but the defense couldn't get a stop to get the ball back. You can't just look at a stat like that without some context.

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Bortles was 12 in Total QBR this year Cousins was 16th. I don't know why people think Cousins  is an automatic upgrade. Because his team was behind alot in the 4th quarter and he had some comebacks. Bortles had 4 comeback drives in 2015. This year the average margin of victory for the Jags was 3 touchdowns. That's why there was only 1 comeback. If I recall correctly he brought the Jags back against the Cardinals with a TD to tie in the 4th before they hit a 57 yard field goal to win on the final play. He drove for a game tying field goal with under a minute to go against the jets before they won in overtime. Scored 2 late touchdowns against San Francisco to get the Jags within 4 but the defense couldn't get a stop to get the ball back. You can't just look at a stat like that without some context.

QBR is a garbage stat.

Teams wouldn't be able to stack the box if they feared the QB. Cousins would allow Fournette to never see 8 or 9 men in the box. Cousins with ARob, Andrews, Fournette, Cole, Westbrook and Hurns would be really good. You would see Kirk back in his 2016 form.

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Bortles was 12 in Total QBR this year Cousins was 16th. I don't know why people think Cousins  is an automatic upgrade. Because his team was behind alot in the 4th quarter and he had some comebacks. Bortles had 4 comeback drives in 2015. This year the average margin of victory for the Jags was 3 touchdowns. That's why there was only 1 comeback. If I recall correctly he brought the Jags back against the Cardinals with a TD to tie in the 4th before they hit a 57 yard field goal to win on the final play. He drove for a game tying field goal with under a minute to go against the jets before they won in overtime. Scored 2 late touchdowns against San Francisco to get the Jags within 4 but the defense couldn't get a stop to get the ball back. You can't just look at a stat like that without some context.

QBR is a garbage stat.

Teams wouldn't be able to stack the box if they feared the QB. Cousins would allow Fournette to never see 8 or 9 men in the box. Cousins with ARob, Andrews, Fournette, Cole, Westbrook and Hurns would be really good. You would see Kirk back in his 2016 form.

So the Jags had the #1 rushing offense into a 8 or 9 men box all year and with Fournette missing a few games due to injury and not 100% in others? Sounds pretty impressive actually. Interesting that QBR is a garbage stat but it correlates strongly to a QB's success. I simply am not convinced that a QB who up until his year 27 season had more picks than touchdowns is a slam dunk upgrade on our 25 year old QB who was a hair away from a super bowl this year.

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Listen I’m happy for Blake and yes he played well. But remember, we had this same situation with Garrard? Was he terrible? No of course not, but we thought he was The Man after some solid games and handed him the keys and it ended being a decent, but not truly great QB who could carry the team on his back. Do we really want to make the same mistake with Bortles? Just two weeks ago we were bewildered how we won against Buffalo despite Bortles who had multiple bad passes and a very subpar day. We need to bring in competition, I’d say sign a veteran and draft a rookie or two. Then let them all duke it out in training camp

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Listen I’m happy for Blake and yes he played well. But remember, we had this same situation with Garrard? Was he terrible? No of course not, but we thought he was The Man after some solid games and handed him the keys and it ended being a decent, but not truly great QB who could carry the team on his back. Do we really want to make the same mistake with Bortles? Just two weeks ago we were bewildered how we won against Buffalo despite Bortles who had multiple bad passes and a very subpar day. We need to bring in competition, I’d say sign a veteran and draft a rookie or two. Then let them all duke it out in training camp

There is no comparison to Garrard.  Garrard played for his contract and got fat and complacent.  Good God, he looked like an offensive lineman when he came to camp.  I don't see that happening with Bortles.  

I don't know what they will do regarding Bortles but you can't compare the two situations.

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Bortles was 12 in Total QBR this year Cousins was 16th. I don't know why people think Cousins  is an automatic upgrade. Because his team was behind alot in the 4th quarter and he had some comebacks. Bortles had 4 comeback drives in 2015. This year the average margin of victory for the Jags was 3 touchdowns. That's why there was only 1 comeback. If I recall correctly he brought the Jags back against the Cardinals with a TD to tie in the 4th before they hit a 57 yard field goal to win on the final play. He drove for a game tying field goal with under a minute to go against the jets before they won in overtime. Scored 2 late touchdowns against San Francisco to get the Jags within 4 but the defense couldn't get a stop to get the ball back. You can't just look at a stat like that without some context.

QBR is a garbage stat.

Teams wouldn't be able to stack the box if they feared the QB. Cousins would allow Fournette to never see 8 or 9 men in the box. Cousins with ARob, Andrews, Fournette, Cole, Westbrook and Hurns would be really good. You would see Kirk back in his 2016 form.

So there is 2 guys who in their last games this year had everything to play for! One for his future payday, the other for respect. One threw for 293 and a score, the other 150 with 3 picks. You can have Kirk for 30 million, I'm fine where we're at.

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Blake is a Franchise QB. His stats after 4 years coming up to 5 are better then Big Ben, Eli, Alex Smith and many others at the same point in time. Eli was TC guy and Bortels is better at the same point in their career. Although i do agree hackett is a hack. BB5 is a Franchise QB , is he an Elite QB? dont know TB was not considered elite till he was 27 or 28. And quit frankly there are only 3 or 4 Elite qbs Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, and Breese. If you are waiting to get one of them you will end up being the browns who draft a QB every year. BB is a Franchise QB who in his 4th year took a team to the AFC championship Game and should have taken them to the SB if it wasnt for lousey coaching and bad refs. And in the Championship game with the weight of the world on his shoulders and the hate from everyone not a Jags fan (and even some that are 1010XL ppl included) He went out and went toe to toe stat for stat with the greatest of all time. BB5 is a franchise QB and if he continues to grow and make gains every year by time he is 27 or 28 he may well be a elite QB. As they say anything is possible.

You have to resign yourself that it is not the QB. Marone is a running coach, even if we had Drew Breese here he would game plan to run it 80% and pass 20%. That is his bread and butter. you want a madden QB slinging it around like BigBen it just isnt going to hapen because our Playbook does not have that in it. you think the coaches dont sling it because of blake, it has nothing to do with him it is their coaching style. think of blakes first couple of years yes he was bad but olsen had him slinging it. lots of deep passes and routes. Our playbook now has 3 deep routes up the left up the right and down the middle and one deep crossing. If you want an explosive offense you need a new coach not a new QB.

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QBR is a garbage stat.

Teams wouldn't be able to stack the box if they feared the QB. Cousins would allow Fournette to never see 8 or 9 men in the box. Cousins with ARob, Andrews, Fournette, Cole, Westbrook and Hurns would be really good. You would see Kirk back in his 2016 form.

So there is 2 guys who in their last games this year had everything to play for! One for his future payday, the other for respect. One threw for 293 and a score, the other 150 with 3 picks. You can have Kirk for 30 million, I'm fine where we're at.

Great.

I never said I wanted Kirk for 30 million but I think I'd rather have Kirk for 19 than Blake for 19.

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So there is 2 guys who in their last games this year had everything to play for! One for his future payday, the other for respect. One threw for 293 and a score, the other 150 with 3 picks. You can have Kirk for 30 million, I'm fine where we're at.

Great.

I never said I wanted Kirk for 30 million but I think I'd rather have Kirk for 19 than Blake for 19.

Yeah but that's not even an option. 

I'd rather have a Ferrari for the cost of my Hyundai

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Listen I’m happy for Blake and yes he played well. But remember, we had this same situation with Garrard? Was he terrible? No of course not, but we thought he was The Man after some solid games and handed him the keys and it ended being a decent, but not truly great QB who could carry the team on his back. Do we really want to make the same mistake with Bortles? Just two weeks ago we were bewildered how we won against Buffalo despite Bortles who had multiple bad passes and a very subpar day. We need to bring in competition, I’d say sign a veteran and draft a rookie or two. Then let them all duke it out in training camp

In regards  to Garrard's situation...
They went all in after his lil run on pass rushers and then everything else fell apart (starting with losing 2 starting OL guys that year)
But, they did eventually draft a guy to replace him.


His name was Gabbert.

Perhaps we give Bortles a chance to continue to improve under this new leadership while we have him under the 5th year option?
We can draft a guy... nay, we should draft a guy...
I'm just saying... let's not rush Bortles out of town just yet.
Is he a "great" QB now? No.
Is he a better QB than he was a year ago? I think so...
No rules saying he can't continue to improve, grow, and become great.

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Listen I’m happy for Blake and yes he played well. But remember, we had this same situation with Garrard? Was he terrible? No of course not, but we thought he was The Man after some solid games and handed him the keys and it ended being a decent, but not truly great QB who could carry the team on his back. Do we really want to make the same mistake with Bortles? Just two weeks ago we were bewildered how we won against Buffalo despite Bortles who had multiple bad passes and a very subpar day. We need to bring in competition, I’d say sign a veteran and draft a rookie or two. Then let them all duke it out in training camp

There is no comparison to Garrard.  Garrard played for his contract and got fat and complacent.  Good God, he looked like an offensive lineman when he came to camp.  I don't see that happening with Bortles.  

I don't know what they will do regarding Bortles but you can't compare the two situations.

And Blake isn’t playing for a new contract? His rookie contract is almost up. Of course he’s playing for his future, it would be naive to say he isn’t. And Garrard had a solid year, had a down playoff game but still won then went and balled out in New England. Sounds very familiar and it’s a solid comparison. Blake has shown inconsistency. Just a few weeks ago the fans were howling after he had three amazing December’s games then turned in two flat games against TN and buffalo. Yet we want to anoint him the starter and franchise guy? Id say again, pump the brakes and bring in competition both young and old. If Blake is the guy he will prove it.

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So there is 2 guys who in their last games this year had everything to play for! One for his future payday, the other for respect. One threw for 293 and a score, the other 150 with 3 picks. You can have Kirk for 30 million, I'm fine where we're at.

Great.

I never said I wanted Kirk for 30 million but I think I'd rather have Kirk for 19 than Blake for 19.

....what? 19 is middle of the road in the NFL.

Cousins is going to demand 25+ million.

Like the other guy said, I'd like a Ferrari for the price of a Hyundai too... though in this case the Hyundai is better than the Ferrari. I don't think Cousins has the testicular fortitude to deal with adversity.

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We got Bradied against bad coaching. Its like that. Coaching is so bad here

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