Can we still trade him? I want as many picks as we can get for him. I think he's a false product tbh and we need to fleece a team before they all figure it out.

We could have if we tagged and traded him like the Dolphins are trying to do. Now we can't.

Another thing to consider is the high potential for receiving a good compensatory pick for Robinson. If he performs for another team we would probably be looking at a 3rd rounder... If he crashes and burns then the FO will be validated in their decision to cut ties.

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We could have if we tagged and traded him like the Dolphins are trying to do. Now we can't.

Another thing to consider is the high potential for receiving a good compensatory pick for Robinson. If he performs for another team we would probably be looking at a 3rd rounder... If he crashes and burns then the FO will be validated in their decision to cut ties.

If he performs for another team, the FO would be kicking themselves.

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Feel like we are offering 12 and he wants 14

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I think the FO knows something more to the knee injury than we all do. Perhaps they are unhappy with his rehab. When they show video of him, all he is doing is jogging/walking in a straight line. Nothing lateral yet. Nothing explosive. Too many questions for the FO to place a tag. Can he even jump the same anymore?

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How many teams let a player who is 24 years old and a top 20 player at his position hit free agency. This bewilders me.

How many teams have as much young talent to retain as this one?

This is a team with young players at marquee positions...

DE-Yannick Ngakoue and Dante Fowler
CB-Jalen Ramsey and A.J. Bouye
LT-Cam Robinson

In addition, the team will need to retain Jack.

I suspect in the not too distant future, guys like Hurns, Campbell, Gipson, Church, Abry Jones, and or Jackson/Dareus may also have to be let go or allowed to walk in free agency.

I'm not saying throw the farm at gim, but how does the tag effect signing back any of our players. It's essentially a one year tryout. Not tagging is just silly any way spin it.

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I trust the front office a little more than any of the experts here.

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Robinson not tagged

http://prod.www.jaguars.clubs.nfl.com/ne...c3348da441


Jaguars do not use franchise or transition tag on WR Allen Robinson; NFL deadline to apply tags was Tuesday at 4 p.m.

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I trust the front office a little more than any of the experts here.

Well the F.O. does at least have access to Robinson's medical reports. Gives them some rather pertinent info to factor into the equation that no one here is able to weigh into their judgement. 

I'd have supported a tag on A-Rob but I think they can still upgrade this offense with a rookie or Cole working at the X receiver spot. 

I just hope the money not spent on Robinson is used to help the O-Line or TE spots.

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As much as I want ARob, you always have to have a limit. You can't just give players an open checkbook. Not to mention no one knows what we are offering and no one knows what he want. Plus we don't even know if he wants to be here

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The big thing for me is not applying the franchise tag doesn't mean we don't want him here or that we aren't actively trying to sign him.

Look at things from Arobs perspective, why would he sign early? Our last offer will be our best one..

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How many teams have as much young talent to retain as this one?

This is a team with young players at marquee positions...

DE-Yannick Ngakoue and Dante Fowler
CB-Jalen Ramsey and A.J. Bouye
LT-Cam Robinson

In addition, the team will need to retain Jack.

I suspect in the not too distant future, guys like Hurns, Campbell, Gipson, Church, Abry Jones, and or Jackson/Dareus may also have to be let go or allowed to walk in free agency.

I'm not saying throw the farm at gim, but how does the tag effect signing back any of our players. It's essentially a one year tryout. Not tagging is just silly any way spin it.

But by tagging him, you ARE throwing the farm at him.

When you give a player the franchise tag, you have to give him the average of the top 5 salaries league wide at the position.  Even if it's for one year.

But let's play this through.  You tag him for a year, and then he has a great year.  What then?  You'd want to keep him then, right?

If he's worth paying the average salary of the top 5 highest paid receivers in the league after a year where he had one (1) catch before blowing out his knee, what would he be worth a year removed where he had a great year?

If you doubt he is going to have a great year, why are you tagging him?

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I have gotten zero push back when I have said Arob is better than Adams and Landry, but when it's stated as 14 million (Adams) or 16 million (Landry tag) then it's almost all that he's not worth that. It's a weird dichotomy that we admit our players are very good but think that paying them what the market has said they are worth then all of the sudden they aren't very good anymore.

I think we all beleive he has more potential to be better. The issue is he has only one good year where each of those players have produced on a consistent level yearly. Being available is being factored into this decision. 2014 he missed six games and is recovering from an ACL just six months ago. He gambled and lost but doesn’t want to take the teams offer after the fact. That is what’s going on 

He SHOULD be able to get 16 a year but his body of work doesn’t warrant that. We won’t be the team that gets duped.

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Can we still trade him? I want as many picks as we can get for him. I think he's a false product tbh and we need to fleece a team before they all figure it out.

We could have if we tagged and traded him like the Dolphins are trying to do. Now we can't.

We could have if we tagged and traded him like the Dolphins are trying to do. Now we can't.

With the difference being Landry isn't coming off a down year and a torn ACL.

No team is going to pay Arob 16 mill AND give up draft picks to do it.

Nooooo!

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Another thing to consider is the high potential for receiving a good compensatory pick for Robinson. If he performs for another team we would probably be looking at a 3rd rounder... If he crashes and burns then the FO will be validated in their decision to cut ties.

If he performs for another team, the FO would be kicking themselves.

Don't get me wrong, I'm on your side in this. Just pointing out we will probably get at least something in return.

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At this point hopefully he gets 16 mil so we get that third round comp pick next year lol

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And none of them have to be paid this year. This situation is EXACTLY what the franchise tag is for. Blue chip talent, hard to value exactly coming off a down year team wide and then a major injury. Tag him and let 2018 play out before reassessing.

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If they have a "fair" multi year deal on the table then they would have tagged him, cause 16 million for one year is like 2 million more than fair for him. They wouldn't risk losing him for that.

Yeah I don’t know if 14 is fair. Again he is fresh of an ACL tear and the year before he had a down year. Fair is closer to 10-11 a year.

The thing is, Robinson’s down year is a typical year for Adams.  Adams has never had a 1000 yard season, with Aaron Rodgers as his QB.  Robinson had an all-pro level year with Blake Bortles.  14 really isn’t that bad.  I have a very high opinion of Robinson, and believe that’s actually a bargain.

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14 is more or less what Hurns and Lee are going to make this year. Are our WR corps better as Hurns, Lee, Westbrook, and Cole or Arob, Westbrook, and Cole. I think that poll would be gigantically skewed toward the latter.

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I'm fine with letting Robinson test free agency and likely losing him. I have a feeling he wants to play in a bigger market. 2 years removed from real productivity and only 1 good year on his resume. I think he is a talent, but you can't pay tons of guaranteed money for that resume. Also, I'm not so sure we have to significantly upgrade the WR corp with him gone. We have a lot of young talent on the roster that you would expect to get better next year and I actually think Lee can still take some big strides if we decide to re-sign him at an appropriate number.

I realize my Lee opinion is in the vast minority here, but I just have a feeling he's going to wind up having a very good career and if so I'd like it to be in Jacksonville. He shouldn't be expensive based on his resume to date. Maybe they keep Hurns and restructure him to make his deal a little more palatable as well. I'd be ok if our 4 primary wide receivers next season were Lee, Hurns, Cole and Westbrook because I expect all 4 to be better in 2018.

However, I wouldn't mind us entering the Jimmy Graham market once free agency opens. If we were able to acquire him, I'm sure most of you clamoring for ARob to be tagged would find that an acceptable alternative.

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I think it's pretty obvious that he's chasing the money.

Stupid for us to let him go, but he sees the Bears, Jets, 49ers and Colts all with desperate needs at WR and a huge amount of cap space. Any one of those teams will give him whatever amount he wants and when they get into a bidding war with each other, it'll be even better for him.

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Yeah I don’t know if 14 is fair. Again he is fresh of an ACL tear and the year before he had a down year. Fair is closer to 10-11 a year.

The thing is, Robinson’s down year is a typical year for Adams.  Adams has never had a 1000 yard season, with Aaron Rodgers as his QB.  Robinson had an all-pro level year with Blake Bortles.  14 really isn’t that bad.  I have a very high opinion of Robinson, and believe that’s actually a bargain.

Adams also didn’t have a torn ACL lol. Y’all are just glossing over this fact. That is important. He gambled on himself last year and torn his ACL. All of his leverage is to go to free agency and take the biggest check he can get. I doubt he can even pass a physical since that was 6 months ago. 

10-11 million would be in good faith if that’s what the team offered him. He doesn’t warrant that based on his numbers and injury history Imo. He wants more so let him go get it. I’m happy for him

How many of these guys have we signed? They cashed in on one good year and we paid them lol. The issue is his one good year was 2 years ago prior to an ACL. Hopefully he is as close to the player he used to be and can get every penny of his new contract.

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