I honestly don't like any of these firings so far. Doesn't make a ton of sense. How can you fault Wheatley, Flaherty and Fewell?

Wheatley was handed a stable of RB's that can't stay healthy. Fournette started eight games. Yeldon started five. Hyde started two. Grant was gone after the 5th game of the season. We pulled Jamaal Charles off the streets for a few weeks at one point. And then we activated David Williams off of someone's PS I believe.

Flaherty's ENTIRE offensive line was TRASHED throughout the season. Just obliterated. We had to bring back Omameh and sign Flowers mid season after we were down to our 3rd or 4th string LT. Norwell was in and out of a walking boot. Linder is always good for missing a game or two (or more) each year he's been here. Robinson was done early. Parnell couldn't finish. It was bad.

And Fewell? How the [BLEEP] does that work? The secondary still finished as one of the best in the NFL. That's in spite of Church blowing assignments, and then a rookie taking his place and being in and out and ending up on IR which technically means he was down to a 3rd string SS. Then we lost Bouye for a few games and I believe Hayden. AND.. that's on top of the defense being out on the field entirely too much thanks to the injuries and overall ineptitude of the offense to begin with!

ALL of these firings are head scratchers. Even Hackett's firing was a head scratcher when you look at the injuries going all the way back to Lee during the pre season. This is just a piss poor excuse for Marrone. A load of bull [BLEEP] really. I don't know what the [BLEEP] Coughlin is doing in that building either. Just a bunch of dumb [BLEEP] decisions being made so far. Not good...

Has ANYBODY been [BLEEP] fired yet from the strength and conditioning staff?

Maybe the firings are not just about on field performance...
Besides, people would complain about keeping the same staff and say the oft misused "definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again."

Gotta do something to shake this team up with the bosses staying in tact. A new QB and a couple of new offensive players isnt going to do it.

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I honestly don't like any of these firings so far. Doesn't make a ton of sense. How can you fault Wheatley, Flaherty and Fewell?

Wheatley was handed a stable of RB's that can't stay healthy. Fournette started eight games. Yeldon started five. Hyde started two. Grant was gone after the 5th game of the season. We pulled Jamaal Charles off the streets for a few weeks at one point. And then we activated David Williams off of someone's PS I believe.

Flaherty's ENTIRE offensive line was TRASHED throughout the season. Just obliterated. We had to bring back Omameh and sign Flowers mid season after we were down to our 3rd or 4th string LT. Norwell was in and out of a walking boot. Linder is always good for missing a game or two (or more) each year he's been here. Robinson was done early. Parnell couldn't finish. It was bad.

And Fewell? How the [BLEEP] does that work? The secondary still finished as one of the best in the NFL. That's in spite of Church blowing assignments, and then a rookie taking his place and being in and out and ending up on IR which technically means he was down to a 3rd string SS. Then we lost Bouye for a few games and I believe Hayden. AND.. that's on top of the defense being out on the field entirely too much thanks to the injuries and overall ineptitude of the offense to begin with!

ALL of these firings are head scratchers. Even Hackett's firing was a head scratcher when you look at the injuries going all the way back to Lee during the pre season. This is just a piss poor excuse for Marrone. A load of bull [BLEEP] really. I don't know what the [BLEEP] Coughlin is doing in that building either. Just a bunch of dumb [BLEEP] decisions being made so far. Not good...

Has ANYBODY been [BLEEP] fired yet from the strength and conditioning staff?

The speculation is that Wheatley ran a very soft RB room and let them do whatever they wanted - which helped create LF's diva attitude and Yeldon's lackadaisical body language.

I don't buy that B.S at all. For starters. LF's "diva" attitude doesn't make a ton of sense. The guy has barely played any football in the NFL so far. His problem is his injuries and reportedly his lack of effort to recover from said injuries. As far as Yeldon's "body language". He's gone. That was the last game of the year. He knows this team isn't going to resign him. He also saw Church cut and Jackson's playing time reduced on defense. Obvious roster decisions being made right there on the spot in real time going into 2019.

They drafted Fournette BECAUSE he failed to live up to the starting job to begin with after the team had invested a 2nd RD pick on him a few years ago. And they had picked-up Hyde via trade. So going into 2019 the RB position was looking crowded to begin with. 

And I am sorry. You can only coach "grown men" for so long. They either have a good approach and a professional approach or they don't. For every Barry Sanders and Larry Fitzgerald in the NFL. You'll find a diva like Antonio Brown and LeVeon Bell. It's just the way it goes. And it's honestly always been that way. 

Blaming and firing Wheatley for those two butt wipes is a joke. Especially after being here for just two years and literally being expected to make magic out of lunch meat in year two with no offensive line to work with, no passer to work with, etc. This is just Marrone trying to distance himself from as much blame as possible even though he says all the right things that a head coach is supposed to say. 

But actions speak louder than words...

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

The speculation is that Wheatley ran a very soft RB room and let them do whatever they wanted - which helped create LF's diva attitude and Yeldon's lackadaisical body language.

I don't buy that B.S at all. For starters. LF's "diva" attitude doesn't make a ton of sense. The guy has barely played any football in the NFL so far. His problem is his injuries and reportedly his lack of effort to recover from said injuries. As far as Yeldon's "body language". He's gone. That was the last game of the year. He knows this team isn't going to resign him. He also saw Church cut and Jackson's playing time reduced on defense. Obvious roster decisions being made right there on the spot in real time going into 2019.

They drafted Fournette BECAUSE he failed to live up to the starting job to begin with after the team had invested a 2nd RD pick on him a few years ago. And they had picked-up Hyde via trade. So going into 2019 the RB position was looking crowded to begin with. 

And I am sorry. You can only coach "grown men" for so long. They either have a good approach and a professional approach or they don't. For every Barry Sanders and Larry Fitzgerald in the NFL. You'll find a diva like Antonio Brown and LeVeon Bell. It's just the way it goes. And it's honestly always been that way. 

Blaming and firing Wheatley for those two butt wipes is a joke. Especially after being here for just two years and literally being expected to make magic out of lunch meat in year two with no offensive line to work with, no passer to work with, etc. This is just Marrone trying to distance himself from as much blame as possible even though he says all the right things that a head coach is supposed to say. 

But actions speak louder than words...

I'm not sure how much more evidence is needed. He may not be a "diva" but he is extremely immature right now and not putting in the work thats needed by a Pro- This has been reported by local media. Some of the anecdotes coming out are pretty damning.

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I honestly don't like any of these firings so far. Doesn't make a ton of sense. How can you fault Wheatley, Flaherty and Fewell?

Wheatley was handed a stable of RB's that can't stay healthy. Fournette started eight games. Yeldon started five. Hyde started two. Grant was gone after the 5th game of the season. We pulled Jamaal Charles off the streets for a few weeks at one point. And then we activated David Williams off of someone's PS I believe.

Flaherty's ENTIRE offensive line was TRASHED throughout the season. Just obliterated. We had to bring back Omameh and sign Flowers mid season after we were down to our 3rd or 4th string LT. Norwell was in and out of a walking boot. Linder is always good for missing a game or two (or more) each year he's been here. Robinson was done early. Parnell couldn't finish. It was bad.

And Fewell? How the [BLEEP] does that work? The secondary still finished as one of the best in the NFL. That's in spite of Church blowing assignments, and then a rookie taking his place and being in and out and ending up on IR which technically means he was down to a 3rd string SS. Then we lost Bouye for a few games and I believe Hayden. AND.. that's on top of the defense being out on the field entirely too much thanks to the injuries and overall ineptitude of the offense to begin with!

ALL of these firings are head scratchers. Even Hackett's firing was a head scratcher when you look at the injuries going all the way back to Lee during the pre season. This is just a piss poor excuse for Marrone. A load of bull [BLEEP] really. I don't know what the [BLEEP] Coughlin is doing in that building either. Just a bunch of dumb [BLEEP] decisions being made so far. Not good...

Has ANYBODY been [BLEEP] fired yet from the strength and conditioning staff?

Maybe the firings are not just about on field performance...
Besides, people would complain about keeping the same staff and say the oft misused "definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again."

Gotta do something to shake this team up with the bosses staying in tact. A new QB and a couple of new offensive players isnt going to do it.

I don't buy that B.S at all. For starters. LF's "diva" attitude doesn't make a ton of sense. The guy has barely played any football in the NFL so far. His problem is his injuries and reportedly his lack of effort to recover from said injuries. As far as Yeldon's "body language". He's gone. That was the last game of the year. He knows this team isn't going to resign him. He also saw Church cut and Jackson's playing time reduced on defense. Obvious roster decisions being made right there on the spot in real time going into 2019.

They drafted Fournette BECAUSE he failed to live up to the starting job to begin with after the team had invested a 2nd RD pick on him a few years ago. And they had picked-up Hyde via trade. So going into 2019 the RB position was looking crowded to begin with. 

And I am sorry. You can only coach "grown men" for so long. They either have a good approach and a professional approach or they don't. For every Barry Sanders and Larry Fitzgerald in the NFL. You'll find a diva like Antonio Brown and LeVeon Bell. It's just the way it goes. And it's honestly always been that way. 

Blaming and firing Wheatley for those two butt wipes is a joke. Especially after being here for just two years and literally being expected to make magic out of lunch meat in year two with no offensive line to work with, no passer to work with, etc. This is just Marrone trying to distance himself from as much blame as possible even though he says all the right things that a head coach is supposed to say. 

But actions speak louder than words...

I'm not sure how much more evidence is needed. He may not be a "diva" but he is extremely immature right now and not putting in the work thats needed by a Pro- This has been reported by local media. Some of the anecdotes coming out are pretty damning.

I agree. Between not showing up for a team photo last year and being suspended for it. And between the punches being thrown on the field in Buffalo and that suspension along with him getting into a verbal altercation or spat with a fan (definitely toothless, I am sure) in Tennessee. He's been a bit of a PITA. The injuries are apart of the game. And I can forgive that. 

But those actions? You can't. And when you hear people locally on the radio calling out his lack of willingness to work on his recovery from his injuries. Like that hamstring injury all year that he had. A lot of guys were essentially calling him lazy and soft in the most professional way possible. 

I don't think that falls on Wheatley's shoulders. And it shouldn't fall on Marrone's or anyone else that comes into this city and that building to coach this kid and his fellow teammates apart of the RB group. Fournette is a father I believe. He needs to grow up. Coaches can't wipe your [BLEEP] during the off season for you. And they certainly can't babysit them after they're off the clock. That's on him as a young man. 

I know we were all young at one point. And we probably had our moments. But you have to figure that [BLEEP] out and realize the microscope that you're under. Especially in the NFL. Or any professional sport for that matter. There's been a PLETHORA of caution tales and warnings to use as an example to steer clear of trouble or problematic tendencies. 

So far. He's just failed miserably at a lot of things. And it's disheartening to see. It's a shame to see talent wasted over immaturity.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Maybe the firings are not just about on field performance...
Besides, people would complain about keeping the same staff and say the oft misused "definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again."

Gotta do something to shake this team up with the bosses staying in tact. A new QB and a couple of new offensive players isnt going to do it.

I'm not sure how much more evidence is needed. He may not be a "diva" but he is extremely immature right now and not putting in the work thats needed by a Pro- This has been reported by local media. Some of the anecdotes coming out are pretty damning.

I agree. Between not showing up for a team photo last year and being suspended for it. And between the punches being thrown on the field in Buffalo and that suspension along with him getting into a verbal altercation or spat with a fan (definitely toothless, I am sure) in Tennessee. He's been a bit of a PITA. The injuries are apart of the game. And I can forgive that. 

But those actions? You can't. And when you hear people locally on the radio calling out his lack of willingness to work on his recovery from his injuries. Like that hamstring injury all year that he had. A lot of guys were essentially calling him lazy and soft in the most professional way possible. 

I don't think that falls on Wheatley's shoulders. And it shouldn't fall on Marrone's or anyone else that comes into this city and that building to coach this kid and his fellow teammates apart of the RB group. Fournette is a father I believe. He needs to grow up. Coaches can't wipe your [BLEEP] during the off season for you. And they certainly can't babysit them after they're off the clock. That's on him as a young man. 

I know we were all young at one point. And we probably had our moments. But you have to figure that [BLEEP] out and realize the microscope that you're under. Especially in the NFL. Or any professional sport for that matter. There's been a PLETHORA of caution tales and warnings to use as an example to steer clear of trouble or problematic tendencies. 

So far. He's just failed miserably at a lot of things. And it's disheartening to see. It's a shame to see talent wasted over immaturity.

This isnt what I was referencing about the media. Reports are that he didnt know the playbook well, unprepared for meetings, and just not engaged in what it takes to be a NFL player off the field.
Mark Long of the AP was very critical of Fournette on a radio interview. He went as far as saying Fournette was so unprepared that Bortles was having to tell him where to line up and go.

As a player and a leader, Fournette should be much farther in his development. And if TC/Marrone believe the leadership in the runningbacks room needs to be shaken up, then so be it.

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When one of your position players that has already been repeatedly in the doghouse with the staff comes off the bench and enters the field of play to assault a guy on the opposite sideline with a flurry of haymakers...

... well it's safe to say you aren't exactly being part of the solution keeping your first round [BLEEP] show in check.

If all the things Long listed on the radio the other day are also true, then Fournette was apparently given WAYYY too loose of a leash about doing his homework. That falls on the position coach.

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When one of your position players that has already been repeatedly in the doghouse with the staff comes off the bench and enters the field of play to assault a guy on the opposite sideline with a flurry of haymakers...

... well it's safe to say you aren't exactly being part of the solution keeping your first round [BLEEP] show in check.

If all the things Long listed on the radio the other day are also true, then Fournette was apparently given WAYYY too loose of a leash about doing his homework. That falls on the position coach.

I think this may have played a role in both the DB and D-Line coach getting fired too. Too many missed assignments and lots of free lancing. Not to mention the London incident the day before the game which was rumored to feature most of the DB room.

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