Didn't Dave just reiterate that Khan feels that playoffs are the expectation?

no he said "a winning season is a reasonable expectation" http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...pectation/

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Jaguars Owner Shad Khan on 2016 “I think [a winning season] is everybody’s reasonable expectation at this point.”

http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-Jagu...b688697b61

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Rightfully, Gus should have been fired at the bye last year. The fact that he is still head coach after Sunday's debacle and merely "at risk" is exactly the problem. Forget the record. It was obvious from the first Houston game last year that he didn't know how to coach.


 

We were all hopeful that an excellent roster would overcome bad coaching this year. I'm hopeful of winning the lottery.


I agree with you that Lageman tends tells it like he sees it when he talks about the players. But I don't remember him ever criticizing the coaching staff, at least not while they were still with the team. But I have listened to only a fraction of his radio shows, so maybe I just missed it. To your knowledge, has Lageman ever criticized a coach?

 

I'm glad you asked that question.

 

Yes, he has criticized coaching decisions.

 

However, if you're expecting him to go on a Rick Ballou or Jeff Prosser screaming rant about whether or not he likes or dislikes the coach you're going to be disappointed.  That's not his job.

 

He does his job very well, as well as or better than those in any market.

 

Coaching decisions, coaching methods, player techniques and performance, ...all things he comments on at length.  And when there's something to be critical of, he spotlights it - showcases it and certainly does not hide, cover, or apologize for it.

 

But if you're looking for an editorial rant or rave (which is not his job) instead of strictly football analysis (which is his job) - you're expecting the wrong kind of commentary from him.  You're better of chasing talking heads for their opinions rather than not expecting those same kind of takes in Lageman's analytical commentary.

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he's just one guy with an opinion. i too used to come in here and make fun of him for making a video about how the offensive line wasn't at fault (when it clearly sucks) or about how he said Alualu is good and if you dont agree, "you just dont know football".  now im just like, who cares?

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If Tony Boscelli is starting to warm up to the thought of firing someone, that is a sign it should have been done 2 years ago.

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Lageman seemed very perplexed by some of the coaching decisions this past Sunday. He talked about how the coaching staff were attempting to disguise what they were doing on defense while ironically telegraphing their plays based on the personnel (e.g. if Poz is on the field they are playing Man). He is still positive about the season and think we can win 7-9 games but today it seemed as if his high opinions on Gus were somewhat disminished.

 

 

Say what? They often play zone coverage while Poz is out there.

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If Tony Boscelli is starting to warm up to the thought of firing someone, that is a sign it should have been done 2 years ago.

That's the most frustrating part of this whole thing. Of course people that are a part of the organization will tow the line and present a best case scenario for the public.


But internally, there should have been smart people realizing last season it was time to cut bait. The fact that we now have to wait until the bye to fire this loser just irks me. It's a wasted season. And there is a distinct possibility that some of the talent we've drafted begin to regress if Gus is kept beyond the bye.


There's just no more best case scenario left with Gus as the head coach. Once you've realized this, you got fire that person immediately. That he is still the head coach boggles my mind.

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Didn't Dave just reiterate that Khan feels that playoffs are the expectation?

 

 

I recall him saying something along the lines of being relevant in December... That is, when they show the teams that are still "in the hunt" during the final few weeks, the Jaguars better at least be one of those teams if not penciled into a bracket.


 

That said, if the team can get to 8-8, a strong argument will be made that they successfully, and finally, avoided a losing record, and I do think that will earn Gus another season. At 7-9, I just don't know. Everyone is tire of losing.

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I'd have to agree.

 

If this team is 0-4 going into the bye week and Gus isn't let go at that point. That will throw up some serious red flags.

 

I think his only shot at staying past the bye week, is if he can win these next two in impressive fashion. Putting us at 2-2 going into the bye week.

 

1-3 should be some very serious discussions, 0-4 and it's absolutely no question.

 

 

I hear you. Going 0-4 after a loss in London to the Colts is, simply put, unacceptable.

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I hear you. Going 0-4 after a loss in London to the Colts is, simply put, unacceptable.

 

Would 1-3 after a victory over the Ravens and then a loss to the clots be acceptable?

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

The problem is, lets say we're 1-3 or even 2-2 at the bye. If we somehow muster a way to 8-8, what do they do then?

 

Gus more than likely still needs to go at that point, but will he be let go? Now if we turn it around and win 10+ games and a playoff game, then sure, keep him, because he obviously fixed something. But if we just fall into 8 wins by luck Then I still think he needs to be gone.

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

The problem is, lets say we're 1-3 or even 2-2 at the bye. If we somehow muster a way to 8-8, what do they do then?

 

Gus more than likely still needs to go at that point, but will he be let go? Now if we turn it around and win 10+ games and a playoff game, then sure, keep him, because he obviously fixed something. But if we just fall into 8 wins by luck Then I still think he needs to be gone.

 

 

This is a pretty tough schedule from start to finish with a bunch of playoff caliber teams. They're not just going to fall into 8 wins. Should they get to 1-3, and then 8-8 when it's all said and done, it's fair to say the team has indeed showed immense improvement.


 

Also, you do have to keep in mind that roughly half the defense is new to the scheme. I was listening to a players from a couple of the league's best defenses, and both said that the main reason for their success was familiarity with their scheme after having been in it for over three seasons. The best defenses, much like the best offensive lines, are the ones that have stuck together for a while. We've talked all offseason about their need to jell as a defense once the season starts, and now that it's here, it's like we all expect them to be fully jelled and hitting on all cylinders. I realize they do have to come together quickly, but so far it's only been two weeks.

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I think it is apparent that any winning this team happens to do is in spite of the HC.

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I think it is apparent that any winning this team happens to do is in spite of the HC.

And there in lies the question if we do win enough games "number wise" to keep him

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

And there in lies the question if we do win enough games "number wise" to keep him

 

What is enough games? If they are expecting playoffs, it is going to take at least 9 wins. I think we all know that isn't happening. I see absolutely no chance in GB being the HC here next year.

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If Gus leads this team to 8 more wins in the next 14 games, then yea keep him for another year. I doubt it happens. The scheme looks broken. 8 wins represents 66% of Gus' career win total through 50 games lol

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What is enough games? If they are expecting playoffs, it is going to take at least 9 wins. I think we all know that isn't happening. I see absolutely no chance in GB being the HC here next year.

 

Playoffs, winning season, both appear to be one and the same, they'd both take 9 wins.  .500 isn't a winning season.

 

Both are also highly unlikely.  Which is pretty much the writing on the wall.

 

As Miracle Max said, it would take a miracle.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

What is enough games? If they are expecting playoffs, it is going to take at least 9 wins. I think we all know that isn't happening. I see absolutely no chance in GB being the HC here next year.

 


Well some have said "playoffs", some have said "winning season." I believe if we won 8 games, that would be "enough" even if we missed the division by a game.

 

I still think he's fired with 8 games regardless. I'm just talking Devils Advocate worst case scenario. Is there ANYTHING Gus can do to stay and have us feel comfortable with it? Outside of winning 10-11 games in convincing fashion and a playoff game or two, I doubt it.

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Houston is winning at least 9 games and the wildcards will likely come from the AFC North and AFC West. 8-8 ain't gonna cut it.

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This is a pretty tough schedule from start to finish with a bunch of playoff caliber teams. They're not just going to fall into 8 wins. Should they get to 1-3, and then 8-8 when it's all said and done, it's fair to say the team has indeed showed immense improvement.


 

Also, you do have to keep in mind that roughly half the defense is new to the scheme. I was listening to a players from a couple of the league's best defenses, and both said that the main reason for their success was familiarity with their scheme after having been in it for over three seasons. The best defenses, much like the best offensive lines, are the ones that have stuck together for a while. We've talked all offseason about their need to jell as a defense once the season starts, and now that it's here, it's like we all expect them to be fully jelled and hitting on all cylinders. I realize they do have to come together quickly, but so far it's only been two weeks.

 

Denver had the #4 defense last year (#1 in yardage). It was their first year under Wade Phillips defense, which was a lot different than Jack Del Rio's defense the previous year. They were playing at the #4 level of defense right out of the box. They won their first six games, and on average gave up less points in those games than their season average.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Would 1-3 after a victory over the Ravens and then a loss to the clots be acceptable?

Maybe.  A very slight maybe.

 

I would think that if the Jaguars split the next two games, with the loss being ultra competitive like the Green Bay loss, then perhaps the argument could be made that the Charger game was an aberration and the team still might be able to turn things around.

 

But if the team splits the next two, and looks bad in the loss, then it's definitely not acceptable.

 

Ideally, the team will win the next two.  If there must be a split, I would think the fans here need to see a win first hand, especially in the aftermath of the blowout last week.

 

Naturally, an 0-fer September again is unacceptable.

 

As I offered before Sunday's game, the blowout loss to SD may have started the very bad momentum when it comes to Bradley.  Whatever fans were giving him the benefit of the doubt because of the lack of talent up until now lost most, if not all confidence in him.  I cannot speak for ownership or management on that issue.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!