Yup, clearly Gratz should have stayed/dropped down into his Zone, under the WR House is covering and he would have easily been in position to try and attempt a tackle for a short gain.

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Yup, clearly Gratz should have stayed/dropped down into his Zone, under the WR House is covering and he would have easily been in position to try and attempt a tackle for a short gain.

Or even potentially make a play on the ball. The ball was thrown right where Gratz should've been. This is a prime example of how 10 people doing their job and 1 person freelancing can make the entire defense look bad.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Yup, clearly Gratz should have stayed/dropped down into his Zone, under the WR House is covering and he would have easily been in position to try and attempt a tackle for a short gain.

I'm with you if they were playing a true zone coverage, but this defensive scheme plays a lot of zone/man combinations. I still don't know if Gratz was the player wrong on this, he may of been in man. Believe me, I want Gratz off this team, I am no fan of his. It is easy to say yeah he should have been in that zone by the looks of it. If they are playing a true cover 3, then honestly I dont know where the heck Cyprien or Telvin is going to be honest. Cover three would be Ramsey bailing like house did and either Cyp or Telvin in the flat on Ramseys side. My point being, lets say Tyrell Williams runs a go route instead of the drag/cross and Ramsey follows him, who is in the flat to cover Gordon? Either way, something is busted about the play. 

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Yup, clearly Gratz should have stayed/dropped down into his Zone, under the WR House is covering and he would have easily been in position to try and attempt a tackle for a short gain.

I don't know about that. Why would a CBs zone be in front of a LBs? And the receiver was apparently in no one's zone from the time he made his cut on the other side of the field until he caught the ball because he was wide open the entire route.

 

It looks to me like Poz may have been the one who dropped too far out of his zone. Someone should have definitely picked the receiver up long before he got all the way over to Gratz's side of the field.

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Poz screwed up there, no doubt. Gratz stayed with his receiver, Poz is suppose to stay and cover underneath routes. You can tell because he immediately runs towards Tyrell Williams when he goes over the middle.

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Or even potentially make a play on the ball. The ball was thrown right where Gratz should've been. This is a prime example of how 10 people doing their job and 1 person freelancing can make the entire defense look bad.

Well, I was just hoping for a tackle with Gratz in that situation. We both know there's a reason why he wont see the field again after week 4, baring some serious injuries.

 

 

I'm with you if they were playing a true zone coverage, but this defensive scheme plays a lot of zone/man combinations. I still don't know if Gratz was the player wrong on this, he may of been in man. Believe me, I want Gratz off this team, I am no fan of his. It is easy to say yeah he should have been in that zone by the looks of it. If they are playing a true cover 3, then honestly I dont know where the heck Cyprien or Telvin is going to be honest. Cover three would be Ramsey bailing like house did and either Cyp or Telvin in the flat on Ramseys side. My point being, lets say Tyrell Williams runs a go route instead of the drag/cross and Ramsey follows him, who is in the flat to cover Gordon? Either way, something is busted about the play. 

They're clearly playing a Zone Defense on that play imo. Without knowing that exact play, my guess would be that Gratz is suppose to quickly pass his WR off to Poz (while Gratz stays at home on the underneath zone), who passes said WR off too the Safeties if they continue deep.

 

It looks like they're (the safeties) dropping into a Cover 2, not a Cover 3 at the last second. Cyp clearly drops back and Gipson moves over to his quarter field.

 

 

I don't know about that. Why would a CBs zone be in front of a LBs? And the receiver was apparently in no one's zone from the time he made his cut on the other side of the field until he caught the ball because he was wide open the entire route.

 

It looks to me like Poz may have been the one who dropped too far out of his zone. Someone should have definitely picked the receiver up long before he got all the way over to Gratz's side of the field.

I'll respectfully disagree.

 

Again, none of us know the exact design and setup of that defensive call. Gratz is the only defender who's playing man imo. The other 10 guys are playing Zone imo. We don't know the responsibility of the nickle CB on that play, but from the other 6 guys dropping into coverage, Gratz should have stayed/dropped into his zone.

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Maybe he thought Ramsey would stick with him, who knows.

 

Edit: I would like to add that drag routes expose zone coverage. Usually defenders don't play that close up, so it was a good play call to catch us off guard. Only way to defend it is to see the receiver running that route before he gets that wide open. 

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It looks like they were trying to double Benjamin and possibly Antonio Gates at the same time. Poz is playing in a zone where he can stay near both of those players, so I guess they were banking on Rivers targeting one of them.

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Well, I was just hoping for a tackle with Gratz in that situation. We both know there's a reason why he wont see the field again after week 4, baring some serious injuries.

 

 

They're clearly playing a Zone Defense on that play imo. Without knowing that exact play, my guess would be that Gratz is suppose to quickly pass his WR off to Poz (but Gratz stays at home on the underneath zone), who passes said WR off too the Safeties if they continue deep.

 

It looks like they're (the safeties) dropping into a Cover 2, not a Cover 3 at the last second. Cyp clearly drops back and Gipson moves over to his quarter field.

 

 

I'll respectfully disagree.

 

Again, none of us know the exact design and setup of that defensive call. Gratz is the only defender who's playing man imo. The other 10 guys are playing Zone imo. We don't know the responsibility of the nickle CB on that play, but from the other 6 guys dropping into coverage, Gratz should have stayed/dropped into his zone.

Then please explain whose zone he was supposed to be in during the route coming from the opposite side of the formation? Because someone was supposed to be covering that 20 yards worth of zone and no one was covering the receiver the entire route.

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Then please explain whose zone he was supposed to be in during the route coming from the opposite side of the formation? Because someone was supposed to be covering that 20 yards worth of zone and no one was covering the receiver the entire route.

Ramsey clearly lines up and passes off Benjamin who makes the big play. He passed him off and dropped back up into his zone.

 

Telvin dropped into his zone, Poz dropped into his.

 

Gratz should have never dropped that far back and followed his man into the deep secondary. They're playing a Cover 2 Zone defense on that play imo, which is why that WR ran straight into Cyp and Gipson, while Gratz realized he messed up and tried to spin backwards when he seen Cyp right there.

 

If Gratz stays at home, that wide open area that Benjamin ran into isn't wide open. Gratz is sitting right there within 2-5 yards of the WR.

 

edit: got the names mixed up i think. i think it's Inmen on this play not Benjamin but yea.

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They're clearly playing a Zone Defense on that play imo. Without knowing that exact play, my guess would be that Gratz is suppose to quickly pass his WR off to Poz (while Gratz stays at home on the underneath zone), who passes said WR off too the Safeties if they continue deep.

 

It looks like they're (the safeties) dropping into a Cover 2, not a Cover 3 at the last second. Cyp clearly drops back and Gipson moves over to his quarter field.

 

I love talking this kind of stuff, thanks for responding. You could make the argument that they switched into a cover 2. If so, yeah Gratz is obviously out of position, but he wouldn't necessarily be in the flat.  In cover 2, isn't the corner responsibility curl/flat which would be on House? He is damn near 20 yards back when the ball is released, and Gipson isn't really paying much attention to his side of the hashes.  If Gratz is in his spot though, ball probably isn't thrown. Williams caught the ball basically right on the number 40. 

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Ramsey clearly lines up and passes off Benjamin who makes the big play. He passed him off and dropped back up into his zone.

 

Telvin dropped into his zone, Poz dropped into his.

 

Gratz should have never dropped that far back and followed his man into the deep secondary. They're playing a Cover 2 Zone defense on that play imo, which is why that WR ran straight into Cyp and Gipson, while Gratz realized he messed up and tried to spin backwards when he seen Cyp right there.

 

If Gratz stays at home, that wide open area that Benjamin ran into isn't wide open. Gratz is sitting right there within 2-5 yards of the WR.

No one was covering the guy the entire route across the field. The fact that no one picked him up coming from the opposite side of the field  tells you that a breakdown happened long before he got into Gratz's supposed zone.

 

Home for a CB is not a zone 5 yards deep. That is a LB's zone. Poz is the one who had no business dropping back that deep.He is the one responsible for the shallow zone not Gratz. Poz is the one who should have released the deep route to Gratz and stayed at home in the shallow zone.

 

What is more telling than the fact that Gratz is covering a guy who runs into triple coverage is the fact that Poz ends up being in no man's land not covering anyone. Poz is the one who bit deep and got burned underneath. He is the one who had no business dropping back. That is his shallow zone that the receiver ran through uncontested.

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Another thing to think about is if Gratz stays home like you said and the receiver runs a deep out, Poz gets burnt bad deep. He is shaded too far on the receivers inside and doesn't have enough speed to cover an out route in that situation.  Gratz is the only guy in position to cover either route. That tells you Poz is the one out of position.

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Another thing to think about is if Gratz stays home like you said and the receiver runs a deep out, Poz gets burnt bad deep. He is shaded too far on the receivers inside and doesn't have enough speed to cover an out route in that situation.  Gratz is the only guy in position to cover either route. That tells you Poz is the one out of position.

Lageman discussed the play on the 9/20 Jaguars Today.


He said the defense was in "4 under, 3 deep zone." Gratz was supposed to hand off his man to Poz, who in turn should've handed off to Gipson. Gratz was supposed to "squeeze" back into the flat.


Gratz was responsible for that zone, according to him. It's at the 21 minute mark for anyone that cares to listen.

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I love talking this kind of stuff, thanks for responding. You could make the argument that they switched into a cover 2. If so, yeah Gratz is obviously out of position, but he wouldn't necessarily be in the flat.  In cover 2, isn't the corner responsibility curl/flat which would be on House? He is damn near 20 yards back when the ball is released, and Gipson isn't really paying much attention to his side of the hashes.  If Gratz is in his spot though, ball probably isn't thrown. Williams caught the ball basically right on the number 40. 

House is at the bottom of the screen, covering his quarter zone of the field. He's covering the bottom WR. That WR does curl after about 17 yards.

 

 

No one was covering the guy the entire route across the field. The fact that no one picked him up coming from the opposite side of the field  tells you that a breakdown happened long before he got into Gratz's supposed zone.

 

Home for a CB is not a zone 5 yards deep. That is a LB's zone. Poz is the one who had no business dropping back that deep.He is the one responsible for the shallow zone not Gratz. Poz is the one who should have released the deep route to Gratz and stayed at home in the shallow zone.

 

What is more telling than the fact that Gratz is covering a guy who runs into triple coverage is the fact that Poz ends up being in no man's land not covering anyone. Poz is the one who bit deep and got burned underneath. He is the one who had no business dropping back. That is his shallow zone that the receiver ran through uncontested.

For me to better answer that, I'd need to know the down and distance of the above play.

 

If you look at how far back Telvin and Poz drop, they both drop right back too the 1st down marker. That's so they can see everything in front of them and make the tackle short of the 1st down.

 

If Gratz stays at home, he's at the very least, a body around the 35 yard line. He makes the play, forces the WR back inside towards Poz and Telvin, or at the least misses the tackles but slows the WR down enough for the troops to make a tackle before the long gain.

 

 

Another thing to think about is if Gratz stays home like you said and the receiver runs a deep out, Poz gets burnt bad deep. He is shaded too far on the receivers inside and doesn't have enough speed to cover an out route in that situation.  Gratz is the only guy in position to cover either route. That tells you Poz is the one out of position.

Poz wouldn't get burned deep because, in theory without knowing the exact play call, Cyp would take the deep WR that Gratz followed and Gipson would take the one who (if he ran a deep route) ran the short cross and scored on the play.

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No one was covering the guy the entire route across the field. The fact that no one picked him up coming from the opposite side of the field  tells you that a breakdown happened long before he got into Gratz's supposed zone.

 

Home for a CB is not a zone 5 yards deep. That is a LB's zone. Poz is the one who had no business dropping back that deep.He is the one responsible for the shallow zone not Gratz. Poz is the one who should have released the deep route to Gratz and stayed at home in the shallow zone.

 

What is more telling than the fact that Gratz is covering a guy who runs into triple coverage is the fact that Poz ends up being in no man's land not covering anyone. Poz is the one who bit deep and got burned underneath. He is the one who had no business dropping back. That is his shallow zone that the receiver ran through uncontested.

 

 

Poz played this perfectly. He carried the receiver to the safeties and then broke for the clean up tackle where gratz should've been.

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I don't see how this is a question of Gratz screwing up or not. He dropped all the way into the safeties and left the bottom zone wide open, there was absolutely no reason for him to be back there, and if that was by design, that's a horrible play

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

I know Poz has taken a bunch of blame for yesterday but from the looks of it the blame belongs to the secondary. Take a look for yourself.

This looks like a college team. And they talk about pro QBs having to throw into tight windows. Holy Mother of God.


This is on the coaching staff. Four years in this system, and the players don't know their assignments.

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Why are there 3 jags db's clustered in the middle of the field between the 20 and 25 yard line. lol

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Why are there 3 jags db's clustered in the middle of the field between the 20 and 25 yard line. lol

 

That's what we've been talking about since the first page bruh.

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