I think Shenault could actually be a success in Pederson's offense. I don't think he was being properly schemed up last year under Bevelle and Meyer. You have to play to his strengths.

He's not a 4.20, 40 flyer guy on the sidelines. He's a YAC guy. You play him nice and tight to the LOS, create natural pick plays and rub routes and let him take a quick pass underneath while he's gaining momentum.

It's scary how infatuated this fanbase is when it comes to just giving up on 1st and 2nd RD draft picks. Good lord.

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I think giving him another year if there is a realistic roster spot come through end of camp would be great. I remember falcons fans complaining about Rady White’s drops before he put it together year 3.

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Where does that leave Agnew at though? Do you use him as the 6th WR to save a roster spot? Or just keep him simply as the kick/punt return man? 

Teams don't usually keep 7 WRs and they don't usually keep a guy who's only the designated return man, because that extra roster spot is usually better used on OL or DL.

Yea, they could cut Treadwell or possibly trade Viska to a team willing to part with a mid-round pick (unlikely). That would make Agnew their 6th receiver who could be used on a couple end-arounds or gadget plays each week. He should be used primarily as a kick/punt returner which has always been his strength, although he would also be an option for more time at receiver if a starter gets hurt.

Did not understand the re-signing of Treadwell after what we did in FA.

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I think giving him another year if there is a realistic roster spot come through end of camp would be great. I remember falcons fans complaining about Rady White’s drops before he put it together year 3.

He's not that bad of a player. People saying he wasn't supposed to be drafted at 42nd overall are also full of [BLEEP] because he was highly touted coming out of college. He was selected exactly around where he was expected to be drafted. 

1200 yards in two years. No TD's last year. 2nd year in a row in a different system with a different QB. Give me a break. Again, he was not being used properly last year at all. 

He was also more than likely drafted to play the WR2 role behind Chark on the roster. Chark couldn't play a whole year. I just wish some people would calm the [BLEEP] down and pump the brakes a bit. 

No need to give up on a 2nd RD pick after 2 years. One of which was honestly probably the most embarrassing [BLEEP] year in this team's existence. So... there's that.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

It's not a choice you'd have to make IMO, as Agnew makes the squad as the return specialist. 

Viska could easily beat out Treadwell with a good preseason showing IMO. 

While it's possible Treadwell is finally somehow coming into his own after years of struggling, I think Shenault returning to his rookie form is more likely than Treadwell's late season showing to become his new norm. 

Hopefully they both play very well and make decisions difficult come August.

So you're keeping a 6th WR and Agnew over an extra OL or DL?

I think that Viska and Agnew can both run some plays out of the backfield, too, so you might be able to thin the RB room a litle and let them do some of what Patterson did in ATL.

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Why help another AFC team unless they overpay.  There is zero reason the Jags need to make this deal unless the Chiefs offer the 1st round pick (29th) the Chiefs got from the Dolphins .. or tell the Chiefs to get lost.

if it means they pick a defender in Round 1, does that still count as zero reason?

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He lacks talent. That's why I want him gone. He should've never been drafted where he was.

Entirely false lol.

But you also think that if we don't draft any of the 10 (out of 400) people you want then it'll be a complete failure anyways so what's the point?

this guy gets it

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Yea, they could cut Treadwell or possibly trade Viska to a team willing to part with a mid-round pick (unlikely). That would make Agnew their 6th receiver who could be used on a couple end-arounds or gadget plays each week. He should be used primarily as a kick/punt returner which has always been his strength, although he would also be an option for more time at receiver if a starter gets hurt.

Did not understand the re-signing of Treadwell after what we did in FA.

if it's a vet minimum deal without big guarantees, what's the harm in letting him fight for a roster spot?
Injuries happen, chances are one of the guys everyone is banking on to be a week 1 starter begins the season on IR. We don't have to pare the roster down yet, and he's apparently got something working with TLaw. Let's see if it builds before we wipe the slate clean AGAIN.

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He lacks talent. That's why I want him gone. He should've never been drafted where he was.

Entirely false lol.

But you also think that if we don't draft any of the 10 (out of 400) people you want then it'll be a complete failure anyways so what's the point?

Not true. This draft is very deep at a variety of positions and there are many players I like, all the way into the 7th round. I said, if we didn't trade for a veteran #1 receiver or we didn't trade up into the first round to get one of the top receivers, (London, Williams, Olave, Wilson or even Dotson,) then the offseason would be a complete failure. I believe we largely have not improved the WR position to this point and last season we had one of, if not the worst position group in the entire NFL.

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I think Shenault could actually be a success in Pederson's offense. I don't think he was being properly schemed up last year under Bevelle and Meyer. You have to play to his strengths.

He's not a 4.20, 40 flyer guy on the sidelines. He's a YAC guy. You play him nice and tight to the LOS, create natural pick plays and rub routes and let him take a quick pass underneath while he's gaining momentum.

It's scary how infatuated this fanbase is when it comes to just giving up on 1st and 2nd RD draft picks. Good lord.

That's the problem. He actually has to catch the ball before he can start running. He fails to complete the basic aspect of being a receiver, which is catching the ball. 

I don't think it says anything about the fanbase wanting to give up on first and second round selections. I think it says way more about the front office who made those bad picks to begin with. People wouldn't be clamoring to get rid of those players if they actually produced on the field.

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It's scary how infatuated this fanbase is when it comes to just giving up on 1st and 2nd RD draft picks. Good lord.

Look at our track record of 1st and 2nd round picks and then perhaps you will understand why this fanbase has not faith.

Seriously, we've been picking in the top 10 over the course of the past 15 years and have nothing to show for the picks prior to last season.

Look at this [BLEEP] !!!

2004: No. 9, WR Reggie Williams, Washington
2005: No. 21, WR Matt Jones, Arkansas
2006: No. 28, TE Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
2007: No. 21, S Reggie Nelson, Florida
2008: No. 8, DE Derrick Harvey, Florida
2009: No. 8, OT Eugene Monroe, Virginia
2010: No. 10, DT Tyson Alualu, California
2011: No. 10, QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2012: No. 5, WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
2013: No. 2, OT Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
2014: No. 3, QB Blake Bortles, UCF
2015: No. 3, LB Dante Fowler, Florida
2016: No. 5, CB Jalen Ramsey, Florida State
2017: No. 4, RB Leonard Fournette, LSU
2018: No. 29, DT Taven Bryan, Florida
2019: No. 7, LB Josh Allen, Kentucky
2020: No. 9, CB CJ Henderson, Florida
2020: No. 20, DE K'Lavon Chaisson, LSU

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It's scary how infatuated this fanbase is when it comes to just giving up on 1st and 2nd RD draft picks. Good lord.

Look at our track record of 1st and 2nd round picks and then perhaps you will understand why this fanbase has not faith.

Seriously, we've been picking in the top 10 over the course of the past 15 years and have nothing to show for the picks prior to last season.

Look at this [BLEEP] !!!

2004: No. 9, WR Reggie Williams, Washington
2005: No. 21, WR Matt Jones, Arkansas
2006: No. 28, TE Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
2007: No. 21, S Reggie Nelson, Florida
2008: No. 8, DE Derrick Harvey, Florida
2009: No. 8, OT Eugene Monroe, Virginia
2010: No. 10, DT Tyson Alualu, California
2011: No. 10, QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2012: No. 5, WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
2013: No. 2, OT Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
2014: No. 3, QB Blake Bortles, UCF
2015: No. 3, LB Dante Fowler, Florida
2016: No. 5, CB Jalen Ramsey, Florida State
2017: No. 4, RB Leonard Fournette, LSU
2018: No. 29, DT Taven Bryan, Florida
2019: No. 7, LB Josh Allen, Kentucky
2020: No. 9, CB CJ Henderson, Florida
2020: No. 20, DE K'Lavon Chaisson, LSU

WHERE'S TREVOR?!

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Look at our track record of 1st and 2nd round picks and then perhaps you will understand why this fanbase has not faith.

Seriously, we've been picking in the top 10 over the course of the past 15 years and have nothing to show for the picks prior to last season.

Look at this [BLEEP] !!!

2004: No. 9, WR Reggie Williams, Washington
2005: No. 21, WR Matt Jones, Arkansas
2006: No. 28, TE Marcedes Lewis, UCLA
2007: No. 21, S Reggie Nelson, Florida
2008: No. 8, DE Derrick Harvey, Florida
2009: No. 8, OT Eugene Monroe, Virginia
2010: No. 10, DT Tyson Alualu, California
2011: No. 10, QB Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2012: No. 5, WR Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
2013: No. 2, OT Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
2014: No. 3, QB Blake Bortles, UCF
2015: No. 3, LB Dante Fowler, Florida
2016: No. 5, CB Jalen Ramsey, Florida State
2017: No. 4, RB Leonard Fournette, LSU
2018: No. 29, DT Taven Bryan, Florida
2019: No. 7, LB Josh Allen, Kentucky
2020: No. 9, CB CJ Henderson, Florida
2020: No. 20, DE K'Lavon Chaisson, LSU

WHERE'S TREVOR?!

So, one no-brainer pick would negate the rest of this awful list?

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That is some truly horrible drafting. You don’t have to look any further to see why we have been bottom feeders

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WHERE'S TREVOR?!

So, one no-brainer pick would negate the rest of this awful list?

God no.

I just wanted to see his name.

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Still doesn't justify giving up on somebody after two years. And, once again, I think a lot of you on here are putting just a little too much hope at the WR position in a TE centric offense.

2016 - Eagles (7-9):
Ertz - TE - 78 catches - 816 yards
Matthews - WR - 73 catches - 804 yards
Sproles - RB - 52 catches - 427 yards

2017 - Eagles (13-3):
Ertz - TE - 74 catches - 824 yards
Jeffrey - WR - 57 catches - 789 yards
Agholor - WR 62 catches - 768 yards

2018 - Eagles (9-7):
Ertz - TE - 116 catches - 1163 yards
Jeffrey - WR - 65 catches - 843 yards
Agholor - WR 64 catches - 736 yards

2019 - Eagles (9-7):
Ertz - TE - 88 catches - 916 yards
Goedert - TE - 58 catches - 607 yards
Sanders - RB - 50 catches - 509 yards

2020 - Eagles (4-11-1):
Bad year. Fulgham at WR, had barely 500 yards, with 38 catches and then Goedert was behind him with a little over 500 yards as well with maybe 40 catches.

But, again, when you look at how Pederson runs the show. It doesn't appear we should expect a whole lot out of the WR position. Again, seems to be focused heavily on a well balanced approach with the RPO. TE being the primary go to. Which makes sense in an RPO because if you're looking at it from a QB's perspective. The goal is to freeze the linebackers and get the safeties on their toes.

This typically means the TE is going to be the first primary read in the event the QB decides to keep it. Wouldn't be shocked if they're officially done at the WR position. They might draft just one more guy. And it'll probably be a tall target. Watson, Tolbert, Pierce & Ross are probably on their radar. I think we need to be keeping an eye on Jelani Woods, Trey McBride and Isaiah Likely at TE though. They seem more than likely ideal on this roster.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Entirely false lol.

But you also think that if we don't draft any of the 10 (out of 400) people you want then it'll be a complete failure anyways so what's the point?

Not true. This draft is very deep at a variety of positions and there are many players I like, all the way into the 7th round. I said, if we didn't trade for a veteran #1 receiver or we didn't trade up into the first round to get one of the top receivers, (London, Williams, Olave, Wilson or even Dotson,) then the offseason would be a complete failure. I believe we largely have not improved the WR position to this point and last season we had one of, if not the worst position group in the entire NFL.

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I think Shenault could actually be a success in Pederson's offense. I don't think he was being properly schemed up last year under Bevelle and Meyer. You have to play to his strengths.

He's not a 4.20, 40 flyer guy on the sidelines. He's a YAC guy. You play him nice and tight to the LOS, create natural pick plays and rub routes and let him take a quick pass underneath while he's gaining momentum.

It's scary how infatuated this fanbase is when it comes to just giving up on 1st and 2nd RD draft picks. Good lord.

That's the problem. He actually has to catch the ball before he can start running. He fails to complete the basic aspect of being a receiver, which is catching the ball. 

I don't think it says anything about the fanbase wanting to give up on first and second round selections. I think it says way more about the front office who made those bad picks to begin with. People wouldn't be clamoring to get rid of those players if they actually produced on the field.

Shenault had no drop issues in his rookie year. 

In year 2 he switched to a new QB with boatloads more velocity and the worst coaching disaster the NFL has probably ever seen. He regressed as a "pass catcher." 

I'd absolutely, without any hesitation, give the kid year 3 to get back on track with a proper staff, playbook, and game-planning. 
His versatility out of the backfield given a banged up RB room make it even more of a no-brainer for me.

Put me on the record with the opinion we'll probably regret trading this kid if he goes to a good system like the chefs.

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Look at our track record of 1st and 2nd round picks and then perhaps you will understand why this fanbase has not faith.

Seriously, we've been picking in the top 10 over the course of the past 15 years and have nothing to show for the picks prior to last season.

Look at this [BLEEP] !!!

[wall of poopy picks]

WHERE'S TREVOR?!

reading is fundamental.

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Pederson will be using the TEs this year. Lot of motion type stuff too.

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Lots going on in this thread. Great to see an interesting discussion!

I think we have a project targeted at WR in the draft. I think we are considering Williams dropping to 33 or with a trade up. If he is not ready to start this year, the additions of Jones and Treadwell make more sense.

This same theory would also make sense for an athletic freak like Watson that needs time to develop.

The glut of teams in the back half of Round 1 that need immediate impact at the position, could push these type of prospects to 33 or maybe even later.

I think there is zero reason to trade Viska for less than a late 2nd round pick. I just feel like he is going to blow up this year. Playing receiver requires so much focus. Having Urban in your ear threatening to fire your coach has to [BLEEP] with your ability to focus. Especially for a young guy still trying to figure things out.

Anyway. I don’t see us adding someone that makes major contributions in the early part of this year. I am optimistic that by the end of the year we will be happy with the WR group heading into next year.

I also think Marvin will retire or be released after the season. Hopefully Zay will show enough to fill that role going forward, not sure about that one though.

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I think Shenault could actually be a success in Pederson's offense. I don't think he was being properly schemed up last year under Bevelle and Meyer. You have to play to his strengths.

He's not a 4.20, 40 flyer guy on the sidelines. He's a YAC guy. You play him nice and tight to the LOS, create natural pick plays and rub routes and let him take a quick pass underneath while he's gaining momentum.

That is how we used him...

Of all WRs that saw 3 or more targets a game Laviska's 5.6 yard average depth of target was only higher than Rondale Moore and Braxton Berrios. He had an extremely nice and tight to the LOS usage.

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Shenault had no drop issues in his rookie year. 

In year 2 he switched to a new QB with boatloads more velocity and the worst coaching disaster the NFL has probably ever seen. He regressed as a "pass catcher." 

I'd absolutely, without any hesitation, give the kid year 3 to get back on track with a proper staff, playbook, and game-planning. 
His versatility out of the backfield given a banged up RB room make it even more of a no-brainer for me.

Put me on the record with the opinion we'll probably regret trading this kid if he goes to a good system like the chefs.

Ditto.

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Might not have Viska for much longer:

https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/statu...7560032259

How and why does this get reported prior to an actual trade happening?  Could this be Baalke trying to drive market value up?

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