I don't care if trump is divisive. I dislike trump because he is a big government big brother morally bankrupt democrat dressed up like a pig with lipstick playing republican.

Trump believes government is the solution to EVERYTHING, pandemic let's use federal power to shut down businesses distribute welfare checks and socialize medical treatment with 100% tax funded payments to uncheck pharmaceutical companies.

Military let's unilaterally use executive power under the unconstitutional ndaa and patriot act to strike abroad and bypass congressional requirements to enact war.

Spending let's rack up the largest deficient spending budget for infrastructure and other pork projects (yea that was before COVID)

Immigration let's spend BILLIONS on a wall instead of addressing the root cause of illegal immigration, because it's good theater.

Trump spent more time tearing down conservatives in the primary and then running a shock jock twitter then accomplishing anything while president.

Under trump the conservative party sold out to big brother big spending abandoned the morale high ground. Now we have a sold out socialist party and an opposition party the Clintons would of killed for in the 90s. Trump is a 90s democrat with an R in front of his name. No republican should ever be allowed to talk about family values and morale high ground after backing grab them by the [BLEEP] trump. As a father I detest everything about Donald Trump. I'm more angry with my party for following him down this road.

If you're looking for a morally upstanding dude who isn't going to make deals behind closed doors that benefit himself and those who got him there and maybe the party as an afterthought I think you will be disappointed. Every one of these people have sold their soul on some level to get where they are. 

The conservative party had to fight against the dems and Clinton winning in 2016 and Trump is how they decided to do it. I mean, I guess the RNC could have cheated to get a different candidate through but then they're no better than the democrats. 

You seem to have a "rose colored glasses" idea of how the political system works, or should work. It's broken and has been for a long time. It's taken me awhile to accept this but it is reality. I won't budge on my morals and values but it's becoming increasingly difficult to vote based solely on those morals and values because the choice of people we are voting for are not necessarily in line with traditional conservative ideas.

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I don't care if trump is divisive. I dislike trump because he is a big government big brother morally bankrupt democrat dressed up like a pig with lipstick playing republican.

Trump believes government is the solution to EVERYTHING, pandemic let's use federal power to shut down businesses distribute welfare checks and socialize medical treatment with 100% tax funded payments to uncheck pharmaceutical companies.

Military let's unilaterally use executive power under the unconstitutional ndaa and patriot act to strike abroad and bypass congressional requirements to enact war.

Spending let's rack up the largest deficient spending budget for infrastructure and other pork projects (yea that was before COVID)

Immigration let's spend BILLIONS on a wall instead of addressing the root cause of illegal immigration, because it's good theater.

Trump spent more time tearing down conservatives in the primary and then running a shock jock twitter then accomplishing anything while president.

Under trump the conservative party sold out to big brother big spending abandoned the morale high ground. Now we have a sold out socialist party and an opposition party the Clintons would of killed for in the 90s. Trump is a 90s democrat with an R in front of his name. No republican should ever be allowed to talk about family values and morale high ground after backing grab them by the [BLEEP] trump. As a father I detest everything about Donald Trump. I'm more angry with my party for following him down this road.

If you're looking for a morally upstanding dude who isn't going to make deals behind closed doors that benefit himself and those who got him there and maybe the party as an afterthought I think you will be disappointed. Every one of these people have sold their soul on some level to get where they are. 

The conservative party had to fight against the dems and Clinton winning in 2016 and Trump is how they decided to do it. I mean, I guess the RNC could have cheated to get a different candidate through but then they're no better than the democrats. 

You seem to have a "rose colored glasses" idea of how the political system works, or should work. It's broken and has been for a long time. It's taken me awhile to accept this but it is reality. I won't budge on my morals and values but it's becoming increasingly difficult to vote based solely on those morals and values because the choice of people we are voting for are not necessarily in line with traditional conservative ideas.

Yep. The water is extremely murky now and they don't do a really good job of trying to hide that anymore. It's admirable and disheartening at the same time. You cannot have honesty injected into the political system because it messes everything up. I hate the idea of voting between the lesser of two evils though. You can always write a candidate's name in or vote completely outside of the social norm. 

Usually it's a waste to most people. But, that's an option for the morally pure I suppose. It ultimately feels like a Plutocracy runs our Democracy though. Trump was the first candidate to ever come outright and say it publicly and I think that's what ultimately drew people towards him. He had no filter. He cut directly down to the chase with his crowd and his opponents. Again, admirable and disheartening to most folks. 

I didn't mind it.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

LOL. No one 'made' Ron DeSantis except Ron DeSantis. DeSantis was keeping Florida open during CoVid when Trump was still carrying out Fauchi's agenda.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/t...interview/

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

Trump was the right candidate for that time. We just got done with Obama and we had his left hand croon waiting in the wings. In my opinion, Trump did a great job with his policies and economy..

That being said, I'm 100% for DeSantis running instead of Trump.

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Trump was the right candidate for that time. We just got done with Obama and we had his left hand croon waiting in the wings. In my opinion, Trump did a great job with his policies and economy..

That being said, I'm 100% for DeSantis running instead of Trump.

If Trump runs, he loses and we may be stuck with Biden again.

If Desantis runs, I think he wins and we can all move on with our lives.

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Nope.

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Trump was the right candidate for that time. We just got done with Obama and we had his left hand croon waiting in the wings. In my opinion, Trump did a great job with his policies and economy..

That being said, I'm 100% for DeSantis running instead of Trump.

If Trump runs, he loses and we may be stuck with Biden again.

If Desantis runs, I think he wins and we can all move on with our lives.

If
Trump v Hilary 2016 
Trump v Biden 2020
Trump v Biden 2028

Here's the hotline:  1-800-SUI-CIDE

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Trump was the right candidate for that time. We just got done with Obama and we had his left hand croon waiting in the wings. In my opinion, Trump did a great job with his policies and economy..

That being said, I'm 100% for DeSantis running instead of Trump.

Well said.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

Nope.

Most of us will move on with our lives.  But if you're stuck in 1848 now, you'll probably still be stuck there in 2024 and 2025.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Trump was the right candidate for that time. We just got done with Obama and we had his left hand croon waiting in the wings. In my opinion, Trump did a great job with his policies and economy..

That being said, I'm 100% for DeSantis running instead of Trump.

Well said.

If DeSantis decides to run this time, it WILL be a bloody knife fight with Trump in the primaries. Then it will come down to if Trump is big enough to endorse DeSantis in order to throw the MAGA voters to him. 

If I’m DeSantis, the Governor’s mansion is home sweet home til 2026.

The only problem with that scenario is DeSantis will have been out of office and out of the public eye for two years before the 2028 election.

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Nah. There's a sweet spot for running for office. I don't think DeSantis will ever be more popular. I just don't think he can win the general.

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I hope DeSantis runs. I vote for him without thinking twice. I bet he would school Trump in a debate and I am all for it.

Trump cannot debate without throwing childish insults and his over the top claims. The moment he turns on DeSantis the moment he loses steam.

Would be the equivalent of seeing an alcoholic parent berating it's own child after said child overcame all of that parent's bitterness, ego and abuse.

This isn't Hitlerly Clinton, Burnitalldown Sanders or Neocon Bushman's he would be targeting this time. It's cannibalism at it's worst.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I think DeSantis will run. He almost has to. Trump is a disaster for Republicans at this point. It just doesn't matter. If people in PA would rather vote for a stroke victim and dead man, they aren't voting for DeSantis.

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I think DeSantis will run. He almost has to. Trump is a disaster for Republicans at this point. It just doesn't matter. If people in PA would rather vote for a stroke victim and dead man, they aren't voting for DeSantis.

In fairness their alternatives were a medical grifter and Green Party candidate. The dead guy's win just triggers another election, so that's just indicative that they wanted another chance for someone with a heartbeat to campaign first.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Oz was a bad candidate. Sure. I'm not saying it's impossible the voters chose a vegetable over him. I'm just saying it takes Mikey levels of contortionism to get there. If that's the case, it's going to happen when the media goes ham on DeSantis. It will be relentless hit pieces and all those "moderates" are going to say to themselves, "Maybe we should vote for this other guy just to keep the peace." Combine that with voting policies like Michigan's proposal 2, which basically now prohibits mandatory voter ID and guarantees absentee ballots, it's only going to get harder to remove these entrenched Democratic candidates. And, in a move that surprises no one, Kari Lake is falling behind.

I don't think we are getting another candidate elected that will address the problems with the establishment any time in the near or distant future.

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Oz was a bad candidate. Sure. I'm not saying it's impossible the voters chose a vegetable over him. I'm just saying it takes Mikey levels of contortionism to get there. If that's the case, it's going to happen when the media goes ham on DeSantis. It will be relentless hit pieces and all those "moderates" are going to say to themselves, "Maybe we should vote for this other guy just to keep the peace." Combine that with voting policies like Michigan's proposal 2, which basically now prohibits mandatory voter ID and guarantees absentee ballots, it's only going to get harder to remove these entrenched Democratic candidates. And, in a move that surprises no one, Kari Lake is falling behind.

I don't think we are getting another candidate elected that will address the problems with the establishment any time in the near or distant future.

And, in a move that surprises no one, Kari Lake is alleging that she is being cheated out of the election.

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I would not put it past Trump to run as an independent if he loses to DeSantis in the primaries.  By that time, Trump will have so much bad blood in him that he'd probably take down DeSantis' chance to win Presidency.  The ultimate narcissist.

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I would not put it past Trump to run as an independent if he loses to DeSantis in the primaries.  By that time, Trump will have so much bad blood in him that he'd probably take down DeSantis' chance to win Presidency.  The ultimate narcissist.

Wouldn't surprise me.

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Oz was a bad candidate. Sure. I'm not saying it's impossible the voters chose a vegetable over him. I'm just saying it takes Mikey levels of contortionism to get there. If that's the case, it's going to happen when the media goes ham on DeSantis. It will be relentless hit pieces and all those "moderates" are going to say to themselves, "Maybe we should vote for this other guy just to keep the peace." Combine that with voting policies like Michigan's proposal 2, which basically now prohibits mandatory voter ID and guarantees absentee ballots, it's only going to get harder to remove these entrenched Democratic candidates. And, in a move that surprises no one, Kari Lake is falling behind.

I don't think we are getting another candidate elected that will address the problems with the establishment any time in the near or distant future.

And, in a move that surprises no one, Kari Lake is alleging that she is being cheated out of the election.

Because she probably is being cheated out of an election.

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Not sure if it was mentioned here or in another thread but I think if DeSantis wins, normality is restored in this Country. The only people that will be pissed are the far right but then again the far right and far left are always pissed if the opposing party wins. At that point in time, we would take personalities out of the picture and the focus one again on International Policy, Fracking, LGBTQ rights, Abortion, Deficit, Inflation, Climate Change, etc in a bipartisan manner. Biden was supposed to be a centrist but it seems like he has the far left calling the shots. I think we can all agree on one thing, 99% of this Country is NOT going to miss Pelosi.

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I would not put it past Trump to run as an independent if he loses to DeSantis in the primaries.  By that time, Trump will have so much bad blood in him that he'd probably take down DeSantis' chance to win Presidency.  The ultimate narcissist.

Wouldn't surprise me.

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And, in a move that surprises no one, Kari Lake is alleging that she is being cheated out of the election.

Because she probably is being cheated out of an election.

There were local reports and people posting issues in Arizona with the lack of ability to vote. It's not surprising. 

There was something about Trump a few years ago potentially trying to create his own party to run with because he had the following at that time. It wouldn't surprise me if he did create a wedge.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."