Wasn't it like 2 months ago that you were riding me on my dislike of Tre Herndon being resigned?

You were crying about Herndon being re-signed for like $2m in FA (4 months ago). Which is why NYC and plenty of us railed on you about it because you were getting upset over chump $$ (as NFL money goes).

We all agree Herndon can be upgraded, but he provides experience and depth at the very least. He's only on a 1 year deal. It's not the end of the world and you definitely don't dump somebody until you have a replacement and we didn't have a replacement at the time. Maybe we'll have one come mid-season or so, when the rooks get some time/experience, but that's a wait and hope and see situation.

The amount wasn't my issue, the fully guranteed contract to a player who shouldn't be rewarded for costing us games was. Give him that same contract with no guranteed money, showing both him and the fans that being a bum isn't acceptable would have been a better move. 

The fact that he was given a fully guranteed contract regardless of the amount tells me that they view him as the starting nickel back this year which is concerning to me because anyone with eyes could see how horrible he was last year.

And I disagree, he dosen't provide much of anything outside of a free 40+ yard pass completion for opposing teams in the 4th quarter.

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Some players will arrive early for rehab  - and rookies arrive early for more classroom work and orientation, but camp officially hits the grass on July 26. 

20 days away from this post.

What are the things you hope to see or learn from these weeks of more intense practice and player evaluation? 

• Plenty of depth storylines to watch
  
• A number of players coming back from injury to evaluate
  
• A few starting or rotational roles still to be determined as well
  

Share your expectations, hopes, and questions in this dead zone thread. 

I'll be most interested in:

1. Nickel Competition 
   
2. LG shake out / Bartch health and performance
   
3. Harrison progress reports
   
4. Bigsby looking the part to spell ETN and/or perform in short yrdg situations
   
5. Ridley being Ridley
   
6. ILB personnel usage
   
7. Strange looking like a viable and versatile option + Do they line him up creatively? Does he acclimate? 
   
8. Statements from Cam Robinson - does he finally humble himself after a not-so-great year being highly paid and a suspension? Or will he stick to his "not playing guard" song and dance?
   
9. Does Fortner look stronger when the pads come on? 
   
10. Mike Caldwell - Would like to hear from him by the end of camp regarding this defense and its identity - I know it's evolving and he's learning on the fly - but it would be good to enter September knowing there's a focus based on how he's evaluated the talent and how he'll use them
    

Wasn't it like 2 months ago that you were riding me on my dislike of Tre Herndon being resigned?

Psst....guess what....Tre Herndon IS NICKEL COMPETITION.

Once again, you missed the mark, poochie. The pushback wasn't your "dislike of Tre Herndon being resigned", it was the blathering on about wasting money on a two million dollar deal that amounts to little more than throwaway money in today's league. It was the disproportionate level of upset you were over such an insignificant move.

But, mission accomplished, you're the center of attention again. congration?

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You were crying about Herndon being re-signed for like $2m in FA (4 months ago). Which is why NYC and plenty of us railed on you about it because you were getting upset over chump $$ (as NFL money goes).

We all agree Herndon can be upgraded, but he provides experience and depth at the very least. He's only on a 1 year deal. It's not the end of the world and you definitely don't dump somebody until you have a replacement and we didn't have a replacement at the time. Maybe we'll have one come mid-season or so, when the rooks get some time/experience, but that's a wait and hope and see situation.

The amount wasn't my issue, the fully guranteed contract to a player who shouldn't be rewarded for costing us games was. Give him that same contract with no guranteed money, showing both him and the fans that being a bum isn't acceptable would have been a better move. 

The fact that he was given a fully guranteed contract regardless of the amount tells me that they view him as the starting nickel back this year which is concerning to me because anyone with eyes could see how horrible he was last year.

And I disagree, he dosen't provide much of anything outside of a free 40+ yard pass completion for opposing teams in the 4th quarter.

Maybe, just maybe, the full guarantee should indicate something to you that you're not willing to accept:

- the team (or FO, if you will) understands what they have in him
- the team believes he's not likely to get beat out of a spot on the 53 by any of the other dudes we currently employ, or consider employing 
- the team isn't as worried about writing off a couple mill if their gamble doesn't pan out
- Herndon has incriminating photos or documents and this is the payoff to keep him quiet.

I kinda have my doubts about that last one too, but YMMV.

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You were crying about Herndon being re-signed for like $2m in FA (4 months ago). Which is why NYC and plenty of us railed on you about it because you were getting upset over chump $$ (as NFL money goes).

We all agree Herndon can be upgraded, but he provides experience and depth at the very least. He's only on a 1 year deal. It's not the end of the world and you definitely don't dump somebody until you have a replacement and we didn't have a replacement at the time. Maybe we'll have one come mid-season or so, when the rooks get some time/experience, but that's a wait and hope and see situation.

The amount wasn't my issue, the fully guranteed contract to a player who shouldn't be rewarded for costing us games was. Give him that same contract with no guranteed money, showing both him and the fans that being a bum isn't acceptable would have been a better move. 

The fact that he was given a fully guranteed contract regardless of the amount tells me that they view him as the starting nickel back this year which is concerning to me because anyone with eyes could see how horrible he was last year.

And I disagree, he dosen't provide much of anything outside of a free 40+ yard pass completion for opposing teams in the 4th quarter.

2.6 mil guaranteed
His vet minimum would be 1.16 million 

The difference between those numbers is roughly 1.44 million dollars. 
So that 1.4 mil figure is what you claim to have an issue with. 

That figure is 0.62% of the Jaguars salary cap that currently has about 21 million open to spend should they choose. 
Are you beginning to get any semblance of an idea why everyone told you crying over that guarantee was silly? 

If 2.6 guaranteed is telling you "intended starter" then you should go see someone about the voices in your head, because you apparently cannot trust them.
 I think 95% of Jags fans are praying he's not the starter week one and about 80% of the entire football universe was predicting the Jags would draft a nickel-ready DB prior to the fifth round AFTER that minuscule signing and guaranteed money. 

Your off-base assertions that Herndon cost us games (especially with "deep" balls) is a whole other story. 
I won't bore everyone rehashing that one in its entirety, but the short answer is that the KC loss is the only one he was picked on and completed "deep" against that we did not win.  Might have said the same for the Dallas game, but we won that one in the end despite Herndon vs Lamb.

He's a liability in coverage but plays well in the box as a run defender.
 I'm crossing all my fingers and toes we end up with a better cover guy manning the slot this year, but his guarantee was minuscule, and the number of games he cost us last season = "he contributed to the reg season loss vs KC"  That's it.

That's the whole story on Herndon.

Hope this gives you a clearer perspective.

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The amount wasn't my issue, the fully guranteed contract to a player who shouldn't be rewarded for costing us games was. Give him that same contract with no guranteed money, showing both him and the fans that being a bum isn't acceptable would have been a better move. 

The fact that he was given a fully guranteed contract regardless of the amount tells me that they view him as the starting nickel back this year which is concerning to me because anyone with eyes could see how horrible he was last year.

And I disagree, he dosen't provide much of anything outside of a free 40+ yard pass completion for opposing teams in the 4th quarter.

2.6 mil guaranteed
His vet minimum would be 1.16 million 

The difference between those numbers is roughly 1.44 million dollars. 
So that 1.4 mil figure is what you claim to have an issue with. 

That figure is 0.62% of the Jaguars salary cap that currently has about 21 million open to spend should they choose. 
Are you beginning to get any semblance of an idea why everyone told you crying over that guarantee was silly? 

If 2.6 guaranteed is telling you "intended starter" then you should go see someone about the voices in your head, because you apparently cannot trust them.
 I think 95% of Jags fans are praying he's not the starter week one and about 80% of the entire football universe was predicting the Jags would draft a nickel-ready DB prior to the fifth round AFTER that minuscule signing and guaranteed money. 

Your off-base assertions that Herndon cost us games (especially with "deep" balls) is a whole other story. 
I won't bore everyone rehashing that one in its entirety, but the short answer is that the KC loss is the only one he was picked on and completed "deep" against that we did not win.   Might have said the same for the Dallas game, but we won that one in the end despite Herndon vs Lamb.

He's a liability in coverage but plays well in the box as a run defender.
 I'm crossing all my fingers and toes we end up with a better cover guy manning the slot this year, but his guarantee was minuscule, and the number of games he cost us last season = "he contributed to the reg season loss vs KC"  That's it.

That's the whole story on Herndon.

Hope this gives you a clearer perspective.

@you can be such a nuthugger when you want to.@

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2.6 mil guaranteed
His vet minimum would be 1.16 million 

The difference between those numbers is roughly 1.44 million dollars. 
So that 1.4 mil figure is what you claim to have an issue with. 

That figure is 0.62% of the Jaguars salary cap that currently has about 21 million open to spend should they choose. 
Are you beginning to get any semblance of an idea why everyone told you crying over that guarantee was silly? 

If 2.6 guaranteed is telling you "intended starter" then you should go see someone about the voices in your head, because you apparently cannot trust them.
 I think 95% of Jags fans are praying he's not the starter week one and about 80% of the entire football universe was predicting the Jags would draft a nickel-ready DB prior to the fifth round AFTER that minuscule signing and guaranteed money. 

Your off-base assertions that Herndon cost us games (especially with "deep" balls) is a whole other story. 
I won't bore everyone rehashing that one in its entirety, but the short answer is that the KC loss is the only one he was picked on and completed "deep" against that we did not win.   Might have said the same for the Dallas game, but we won that one in the end despite Herndon vs Lamb.

He's a liability in coverage but plays well in the box as a run defender.
 I'm crossing all my fingers and toes we end up with a better cover guy manning the slot this year, but his guarantee was minuscule, and the number of games he cost us last season = "he contributed to the reg season loss vs KC"  That's it.

That's the whole story on Herndon.

Hope this gives you a clearer perspective.

@you can be such a nuthugger when you want to.@

He presented all facts. What’s the problem?

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@you can be such a nuthugger when you want to.@

He presented all facts. What’s the problem?

Mikey indicates his most sarcastic remarks with the "@" symbols.

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https://twitter.com/1010XL/status/168347...27616?s=20

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2.6 mil guaranteed
His vet minimum would be 1.16 million 

The difference between those numbers is roughly 1.44 million dollars. 
So that 1.4 mil figure is what you claim to have an issue with. 

That figure is 0.62% of the Jaguars salary cap that currently has about 21 million open to spend should they choose. 
Are you beginning to get any semblance of an idea why everyone told you crying over that guarantee was silly? 

If 2.6 guaranteed is telling you "intended starter" then you should go see someone about the voices in your head, because you apparently cannot trust them.
 I think 95% of Jags fans are praying he's not the starter week one and about 80% of the entire football universe was predicting the Jags would draft a nickel-ready DB prior to the fifth round AFTER that minuscule signing and guaranteed money. 

Your off-base assertions that Herndon cost us games (especially with "deep" balls) is a whole other story. 
I won't bore everyone rehashing that one in its entirety, but the short answer is that the KC loss is the only one he was picked on and completed "deep" against that we did not win.   Might have said the same for the Dallas game, but we won that one in the end despite Herndon vs Lamb.

He's a liability in coverage but plays well in the box as a run defender.
 I'm crossing all my fingers and toes we end up with a better cover guy manning the slot this year, but his guarantee was minuscule, and the number of games he cost us last season = "he contributed to the reg season loss vs KC"  That's it.

That's the whole story on Herndon.

Hope this gives you a clearer perspective.

I'd put that (bolded part) on Caldwell. He should have moved Darius Williams to the slot to cover Lamb in the slot, or had Campbell trail Lamb the whole game. Lamb was head and shoulders the Cowgirls' best receiver. Caldwell's insistence on keeping his chess pieces in the same spots at all times is reminiscent of Todd Wash. I hate it.

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"I am only an average man, but by George, I work harder at it than the average man." - Teddy Roosevelt

I'd put that (bolded part) on Caldwell. He should have moved Darius Williams to the slot to cover Lamb in the slot, or had Campbell trail Lamb the whole game. Lamb was head and shoulders the Cowgirls' best receiver. Caldwell's insistence on keeping his chess pieces in the same spots at all times is reminiscent of Todd Wash. I hate it.

You can put a number of things on last year being year one in that defensive system and the system being undefined and amorphous as the season progressed.
 It was Caldwell's first time in the role and he altered strategy quite a bit trying to find something. Given all of that newness and unsettled identity in coverage style, I'm not surprised he didn't attempt to make Campbell follow top receivers. But I also get the frustration it provoked. 

Will be interesting to see if that changes this year at all. 

I think we are going to see two different guys play the nickel according to package and the personnel we are facing. 
Maybe even three. And I doubt any of them are Tyson Campbell. 

Any formation they moved them into last year, they had 5 DBs out there a lot, and only 3 of 'em could cover well. So there would be a vulnerability elsewhere if you let Williams or Campbell travel.

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https://twitter.com/Jaguars/status/16836...53795?s=20

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It’s training camp time boys! Let the football season begin. It feels like 1999. This time we complete the mission.

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Finally back!

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My boy Cisco been puttin in work.. Dude is jacked.
https://twitter.com/Jaguars/status/1683916874562560001

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My boy Cisco been puttin in work.. Dude is jacked.
https://twitter.com/Jaguars/status/1683916874562560001

Travon also looks huge. If he can put it together man... Gonna be so fun.

Also, Malik talking about Josh Allen

https://twitter.com/UpAndAdamsShow/statu...56608?s=20

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https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...89421?s=20

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https://twitter.com/AliviaASJax/status/1...59395?s=20

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https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...43713?s=20

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https://twitter.com/Demetrius82/status/1...77985?s=20

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watch this on a large screen if possible

https://twitter.com/marhsim/status/16841...93728?s=20

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Man it is exciting to hear their raving about Ridley! The thought of having a dangerous passing offense and the impact it could have on opening up the ground game has me drooling.

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