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#61

(01-06-2025, 11:00 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(01-06-2025, 09:11 AM)Caldrac Wrote: I like Abdul Carter. I think DE/EDGE is more important than DT at the moment. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if they selected him. I just think you have to heavily consider McMillan there. He'll run a 4.5 in my opinion. 

It's the tape and highlights that you need to look at. It's also the fact that we need somebody to obviously take advantage of the fact that Thomas Jr. is clearly our WR1 and he's going to be getting a ton of attention in year two.

Need to get ahead of it early. We're not bringing Kirk back. We may lose Engram as well. This is due to cap numbers. This leaves you with just BTJ, Washington and Davis. I think WR is a bigger need than people realize.

Both Kirk and Engram will be here next year. The cap is not a concern for 2025, they'll have right at $50 million of space if they cut ETN who saves the same amount as Engram without the large dead money hit and is far easier to replace. You don't cut Kirk at a cost of $13 when the savings is only $10. He's still a player and valuable as a starter-level player for that cost. At least if you're not Baalke you don't. Having guys with large cap hits who aren't playing for you is the death knell of cap management, you don't have $30 in cap taken up by 2 guys playing on another team even if it means you pay them $45 to be here If they can still produce.

The Jags placed the 5th year option on ETN so he can't be cut.  Stuck paying him $6M no matter what. Another horrible mistake by Baalke. 

 I'd also think that Kirk gets cut because his production doesn't match the salary.  $10M in cap savings make him the most obvious choice to cut to create cap space.  Had Kirk not gotten hurt, he would have likely been traded so his days here are numbered.  Hard to say though since Pedersen is gone and you dont' know what kind of scheme the new HC is going to implement.
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#62

(01-06-2025, 09:06 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote:
(01-06-2025, 09:00 AM)Caldrac Wrote: You guys are not listening. Just because you take a WR in RD1 doesn't mean you let everything else fall to the wayside. That is correct though. You're not going to take an interior offensive lineman in this year's top five.

We have ten selections in this draft. We have investments made via the draft and free agency from last year that already fit some of these needs you're all looking for answers at. Here's how I look at McMillan and Graham.

McMillan has hands, has big play ability, can stretch the field, has open field strength and has an AJ Green and Mike Evans look to him.

Graham is a space eater, doesn't really have the production in my opinion on the stat sheet that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy about him. It's not like his Suh, Donald or McCoy coming out of college. That's my concern with him.

If Tmac runs a mid 4.5 to low 4.6 I’m not out on him as a top 5 pick. 

Abdul Carter is probably the best pick, he’s a Micah Parsons clone. Problem is obviously we have DE filled up with Walker, Armstead, and JHA.

Armstead said today that he's going back to DT next season and isn't going to play on the Edge.
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#63

(01-06-2025, 10:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(01-06-2025, 09:06 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: If Tmac runs a mid 4.5 to low 4.6 I’m not out on him as a top 5 pick. 

Abdul Carter is probably the best pick, he’s a Micah Parsons clone. Problem is obviously we have DE filled up with Walker, Armstead, and JHA.

Armstead said today that he's going back to DT next season and isn't going to play on the Edge.

He should have been playing DT in the first place.
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#64

(01-06-2025, 11:34 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote:
(01-06-2025, 10:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote: Armstead said today that he's going back to DT next season and isn't going to play on the Edge.

He should have been playing DT in the first place.

Absolutely, but the staff wanted him to play on the Edge for whatever stupid reason. Just one more brain dead decision of many.
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#65
(This post was last modified: 01-06-2025, 11:46 PM by carp8dm. Edited 1 time in total.)

Rumor has it that Baalke worm tongued Armstead into a DE position
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#66

(01-06-2025, 11:41 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(01-06-2025, 11:34 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: He should have been playing DT in the first place.

Absolutely, but the staff wanted him to play on the Edge for whatever stupid reason. Just one more brain dead decision of many.

I don't understand his comment. If it was the coach's decision, how does he know he'll be playing DT next year?  Won't it be the new coach's decision?
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#67
(This post was last modified: 01-07-2025, 12:38 AM by Jag88. Edited 1 time in total.)

(01-06-2025, 11:45 PM)carp8dm Wrote: Rumor has it that Baalke worm tongued Armstead into a DE position

Haha. Worm toungued is the best thing I’ve heard all week. That’s hilarious.
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#68

(01-07-2025, 12:30 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote:
(01-06-2025, 11:41 PM)Eric1 Wrote: Absolutely, but the staff wanted him to play on the Edge for whatever stupid reason. Just one more brain dead decision of many.

I don't understand his comment. If it was the coach's decision, how does he know he'll be playing DT next year?  Won't it be the new coach's decision?

He said on a podcast during the season that the coaches wanted him to play on the Edge. I think mainly that was due to a lack of having nothing behind JHA and Walker at that position.

And there's this..
https://twitter.com/ActionSportsJax/stat...4873613574
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#69

Doug is the scapegoat for Trent
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#70

Armstead has been a huge disappointment regardless where he lined up. 1 start, played in all 17 games and finished the season with 2 more sacks than my grandma.

3 years $43.5 million with $28 million guaranteed, $12 million signing bonus.

So far = $20 million per sack
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#71

(01-06-2025, 10:06 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote:
(01-06-2025, 11:00 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Both Kirk and Engram will be here next year. The cap is not a concern for 2025, they'll have right at $50 million of space if they cut ETN who saves the same amount as Engram without the large dead money hit and is far easier to replace. You don't cut Kirk at a cost of $13 when the savings is only $10. He's still a player and valuable as a starter-level player for that cost. At least if you're not Baalke you don't. Having guys with large cap hits who aren't playing for you is the death knell of cap management, you don't have $30 in cap taken up by 2 guys playing on another team even if it means you pay them $45 to be here If they can still produce.

The fifth-year option is guaranteed.  We save nothing by cutting ETN.

[BLEEP], I missed that. [BLEEP] Baalke at it again.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#72

Wait, I was under the impression that our OC and DC would be fired too ...... is there a chance Press Taylor and Nielson are actually our coordinators next season? If so, we're definitely doomed.
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#73

(01-07-2025, 01:11 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: Wait, I was under the impression that our OC and DC would be fired too ...... is there a chance Press Taylor and Nielson are actually our coordinators next season?  If so, we're definitely doomed.

Word is Press and Nielsen get to interview for the HC job too.
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#74

DC and OC will be evaluated by the new HC they are still part of the team until that happens.
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#75
(This post was last modified: 01-08-2025, 09:07 AM by Mikey.)

(01-06-2025, 10:06 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote:
(01-06-2025, 11:00 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Both Kirk and Engram will be here next year. The cap is not a concern for 2025, they'll have right at $50 million of space if they cut ETN who saves the same amount as Engram without the large dead money hit and is far easier to replace. You don't cut Kirk at a cost of $13 when the savings is only $10. He's still a player and valuable as a starter-level player for that cost. At least if you're not Baalke you don't. Having guys with large cap hits who aren't playing for you is the death knell of cap management, you don't have $30 in cap taken up by 2 guys playing on another team even if it means you pay them $45 to be here If they can still produce.

The fifth-year option is guaranteed.  We save nothing by cutting ETN.

Sounds like a perfectly Jaguarific move, then!

(01-06-2025, 10:33 PM)navyjagfan Wrote:
(01-06-2025, 11:00 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Both Kirk and Engram will be here next year. The cap is not a concern for 2025, they'll have right at $50 million of space if they cut ETN who saves the same amount as Engram without the large dead money hit and is far easier to replace. You don't cut Kirk at a cost of $13 when the savings is only $10. He's still a player and valuable as a starter-level player for that cost. At least if you're not Baalke you don't. Having guys with large cap hits who aren't playing for you is the death knell of cap management, you don't have $30 in cap taken up by 2 guys playing on another team even if it means you pay them $45 to be here If they can still produce.

The Jags placed the 5th year option on ETN so he can't be cut.  Stuck paying him $6M no matter what. Another horrible mistake by Baalke. 

 I'd also think that Kirk gets cut because his production doesn't match the salary.  $10M in cap savings make him the most obvious choice to cut to create cap space.  Had Kirk not gotten hurt, he would have likely been traded so his days here are numbered.  Hard to say though since Pedersen is gone and you dont' know what kind of scheme the new HC is going to implement.

If we trade him the trading team accepts the guaranteed salary. That's the only way we get out of it. On the plus side, there's no prorated bonus to serve as dead money, so it would be a 100% savings if we traded him. The argument though is that you're not going to get anything worthwhile in return unless a team is desperate or sees him as a long-term option and does a trade and sign kind of thing. Good luck with that.

(01-07-2025, 01:18 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote:
(01-07-2025, 01:11 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: Wait, I was under the impression that our OC and DC would be fired too ...... is there a chance Press Taylor and Nielson are actually our coordinators next season?  If so, we're definitely doomed.

Word is Press and Nielsen get to interview for the HC job too.

Is there some Rooney Rule for grossly incompetent coaches?
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