Preaching the the choir. We are well aware and overdue for a string of winning seasons. Gus has to take a big step forward this year in terms of coaching. He had some real head scratchers even late last year. I want him to succeed, but I really think he is in over his head in a big way. 

 

I think we're so close to this team, and we watch them so closely all the time, every game, that we see all the coaching mistakes.   I think if you watch any team that closely, you'll see loads of coaching mistakes.   So I think our vision of Bradley is skewed by the way we have him under a microscope.   Any coach who wins a bunch of games is a genius, while any coach who loses a bunch of games is a dunce and we see all the reasons why, because we are watching every single play and everything in between. 

 

Heck, I remember a game a couple of years ago when the Pats went for it on 4th down on their own 30 yard line, and failed, and lost the game as a result, when they could have just punted the ball and left it up to the defense like any other coach in football would have.   Tom Coughlin used to regularly go for 2 in the first half.  I thought that was pretty stupid.   But give Belichick and Coughlin some great players to work with and they win Super Bowls.  

 

Pete Carroll threw the ball from the 1 yard line with Marshawn Lynch in the backfield and the Pats showing no signs they could stop him, and as we all know, the ball got picked and the Seahawks lost.   Dumb move. 

 

We see Gus Bradley up close, all the time, and so we see all the mistakes and all the dumb moves, but the truth is, every coach makes plenty of mistakes.  

 

What Gus needs is better players.   I think we've finally got them, so this is his chance to prove himself.   But I'm not going to say we went 5-11 last year because of the coaching.  

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I think we're so close to this team, and we watch them so closely all the time, every game, that we see all the coaching mistakes. I think if you watch any team that closely, you'll see loads of coaching mistakes. So I think our vision of Bradley is skewed by the way we have him under a microscope. Any coach who wins a bunch of games is a genius, while any coach who loses a bunch of games is a dunce and we see all the reasons why, because we are watching every single play and everything in between.


Heck, I remember a game a couple of years ago when the Pats went for it on 4th down on their own 30 yard line, and failed, and lost the game as a result, when they could have just punted the ball and left it up to the defense like any other coach in football would have. Tom Coughlin used to regularly go for 2 in the first half. I thought that was pretty stupid. But give Belichick and Coughlin some great players to work with and they win Super Bowls.


Pete Carroll threw the ball from the 1 yard line with Marshawn Lynch in the backfield and the Pats showing no signs they could stop him, and as we all know, the ball got picked and the Seahawks lost. Dumb move.


We see Gus Bradley up close, all the time, and so we see all the mistakes and all the dumb moves, but the truth is, every coach makes plenty of mistakes.


What Gus needs is better players. I think we've finally got them, so this is his chance to prove himself. But I'm not going to say we went 5-11 last year because of the coaching.

Really you dont believe coaching played a role in our record last year?

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Really you dont believe coaching played a role in our record last year?

I'm curious. Just how many more wins would a 'better coach' have gotten?

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I'm curious. Just how many more wins would a 'better coach' have gotten?

I think a better defensive minded coach with a scheme that creates more turnovers and sacks could have at least got us 8-8..


The Jags lost 6 games by only a Td! They only scored 6 in the final game against the Texans ... I firmly believe a offensive minded coach could have gotten us to at least 9 wins...

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To be fair u guys have to admit Gus's Leo scheme Bull.ish. havent worked so far! Do anybody remember the Patriots game??? Their was no adjustment made by Gus... He called the same soft cover 3 bull.ish Nothing Gus did work or Fisch if thats where the blame go.. Do you guys remember the pain in watching that game? And the offense wasnt great either! Gus might be A good head coach in the future but so far he hasnt proven nothing..

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Really you dont believe coaching played a role in our record last year?

I think it was a factor, sure.

 

Do I think it was the main factor?  No.

 

Bradley and his staff could coach every technique flawlessly.  They could study enough film and identify every single opponent tendency accurately.  They could implement well designed plays and well conceived playbooks and game plans.

 

But if your guys don't have the talent to implement that coaching and put it on the field, the perception of coaching is going to suffer.

 

Bradley could call the right defensive play for the right down and distance scenario, but if his defensive line cannot defeat the pass blocking, if his defensive backs cannot either maintain zone integrity or consistently cover the opposing receiver, Bradley is going to look bad.

 

Olsen could call the right play with the right protection with the right route combination against a defense.  How does he account for a bad shotgun snap?  If he has a TE that couldn't block on a toss play to his side and the result is a huge loss, how is that on him?  If we had receivers like we had in 2011, how does a coach work work around that deficiency?

 

Without talent, adjustments won't be effective.

 

Now I remember there was an SI article in the aftermath of the Houston game where the Houston coaches said that the Jaguars in certain down and distance situations never blitzed the entire year.  That might be problematic if you are predictable AND lack talent.

 

Furthermore, I realize some coaches, for whatever reason, seem better as coordinators than head coaches, and it's entirely possible Bradley falls into that category.

 

But up until this year, I'd say the bulk of the blame falls on the talent.

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I think we're so close to this team, and we watch them so closely all the time, every game, that we see all the coaching mistakes.   I think if you watch any team that closely, you'll see loads of coaching mistakes.   So I think our vision of Bradley is skewed by the way we have him under a microscope.   Any coach who wins a bunch of games is a genius, while any coach who loses a bunch of games is a dunce and we see all the reasons why, because we are watching every single play and everything in between. 

 

Heck, I remember a game a couple of years ago when the Pats went for it on 4th down on their own 30 yard line, and failed, and lost the game as a result, when they could have just punted the ball and left it up to the defense like any other coach in football would have.   Tom Coughlin used to regularly go for 2 in the first half.  I thought that was pretty stupid.   But give Belichick and Coughlin some great players to work with and they win Super Bowls.  

 

Pete Carroll threw the ball from the 1 yard line with Marshawn Lynch in the backfield and the Pats showing no signs they could stop him, and as we all know, the ball got picked and the Seahawks lost.   Dumb move. 

 

We see Gus Bradley up close, all the time, and so we see all the mistakes and all the dumb moves, but the truth is, every coach makes plenty of mistakes.  

 

What Gus needs is better players.   I think we've finally got them, so this is his chance to prove himself.   But I'm not going to say we went 5-11 last year because of the coaching.  

 

I don't think those examples from other coaches were mistakes. They went with the odds, but it just didn't work. Not even every 99% chance comes in. In that Pats game the defense was not stopping anyone, and a first down would ice the game.


 

Compare that to Gus. Go look at the three plays starting at 6:15 left in the 3rd quarter vs. Houston in week six. Even the peanut vendor could see that Hoyer had trouble when he was blitzed, but never failed when given time to throw. Yet after two blitzes that worked, the Jags went into a rush-four prevent on 3rd down. Hoyer had time to recite the Gettysburg Address and still complete the pass. You could put the blame on Babich, but Gus made the call to hire him, kept him around for season 3, and failed to take over or reassign the defensive play calling after seeing that.


 

Or look at this: 
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2015/12/28/...uars-doing

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

I think it was a factor, sure.


Do I think it was the main factor? No.


Bradley and his staff could coach every technique flawlessly. They could study enough film and identify every single opponent tendency accurately. They could implement well designed plays and well conceived playbooks and game plans.


But if your guys don't have the talent to implement that coaching and put it on the field, the perception of coaching is going to suffer.


Bradley could call the right defensive play for the right down and distance scenario, but if his defensive line cannot defeat the pass blocking, if his defensive backs cannot either maintain zone integrity or consistently cover the opposing receiver, Bradley is going to look bad.


Olsen could call the right play with the right protection with the right route combination against a defense. How does he account for a bad shotgun snap? If he has a TE that couldn't block on a toss play to his side and the result is a huge loss, how is that on him? If we had receivers like we had in 2011, how does a coach work work around that deficiency?

And how do you decipher between the coach and the talent??


Ultimately it will be the amount of wins which determines that...


Year end and year out you cant keep using the talent excuse when you help pick the talent.

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And how do you decipher between the coach and the talent??


Ultimately it will be the amount of wins which determines that...


Year end and year out you cant keep using the talent excuse when you help pick the talent.

Exactly the point!

 

Let's look at it this way...name the four most important positions on a football team.  Which are the hardest to find and the ones, were you picking in the top 5-10 of the draft, would you be most inclined to select-assuming the talent warranted the investment?

 

How many of those positions have the Jaguars definitely successfully filled until this year?

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Exactly the point!


Let's look at it this way...name the four most important positions on a football team. Which are the hardest to find and the ones, were you picking in the top 5-10 of the draft, would you be most inclined to select-assuming the talent warranted the investment?


How many of those positions have the Jaguars definitely successfully filled until this year?

Ok QB LT drafted one hasnt panned out. DE jury still out. WR When it comes to selecting players i still put some responsibility on Gus... That plays a role in being a head coach..


So if you select the wrong players at a given position and start them and they suck that still falls back on the head coach..


You cant use these players as a scapegoat..

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Ok QB LT drafted one hasnt panned out. DE jury still out. WR When it comes to selecting players i still put some responsibility on Gus... That plays a role in being a head coach..


So if you select the wrong players at a given position and start them and they suck that still falls back on the head coach..


You cant use these players as a scapegoat..

What the?


First of all, Bradley has input as to the picks but Caldwell ultimately makes the choice.


So you're saying he chooses between a bad draft choice and an even worse backup and it's his 'fault'?


That is some seriously flawed logic.


As I've said many, many, times...all you have to do is look at the draft and FA this year to see what they thought of the defensive personnel.

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Ok QB LT drafted one hasnt panned out. DE jury still out. WR When it comes to selecting players i still put some responsibility on Gus... That plays a role in being a head coach..


So if you select the wrong players at a given position and start them and they suck that still falls back on the head coach..


You cant use these players as a scapegoat..

1.  WRs are far easier to find than cover CBs.

2.  In Bradley's 1st year, they drafted a future LT in Joeckel.  4 years into his career, he hasn't worked out as hoped.

3.  In Bradley's 2nd year, they drafted Bortles.  He was a rookie making rookie mistakes in an offense that wasn't working at all.

4.  We got nothing out of Fowler

5.  We don't know about Ramsey yet.

6.  Bradley doesn't pick the players.  Caldwell picks the players.

7.  Right now the team has the players to compete.  Now it is on Bradley to produce.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I doubt you're going to sway his flawed thought process..... It's all Bredley's fault in his mind and no logic and/or fact is going to change that.

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What the?


First of all, Bradley has input as to the picks but Caldwell ultimately makes the choice.


So you're saying he chooses between a bad draft choice and an even worse backup and it's his 'fault'?


That is some seriously flawed logic.


As I've said many, many, times...all you have to do is look at the draft and FA this year to see what they thought of the defensive personnel.

No i never mentioned draft picks! Or backups.. Gus and Dave select the players .. Gus sets the lineups .. This aint logic... This is fact...Thats his job.. People need to stop giving him excuses..

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No i never mentioned draft picks! Or backups.. Gus and Dave select the players .. Gus sets the lineups .. This aint logic... This is fact...Thats his job.. People need to stop giving him excuses..

What part of "We gutted the roster and it will take a couple of seasons to rebuild it to the point of us being competitive on both sides of the ball" are you not getting?  Rome wasn't built in a day...

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What part of "We gutted the roster and it will take a couple of seasons to rebuild it to the point of us being competitive on both sides of the ball" are you not getting? Rome wasn't built in a day...

Last year's roster was not gutted. That excuse ran out at the beginning of the 2015 season. A season that allowed us a division with no Andrew luck, a shaky rookie qb with a girlish figure, and the tin horns with a journey man mediocre qb.


We under performed last year... that's the top line.


Saying the fans have suffered enough is Khan's way of very discreetly putting Bradley on the hot seat. It's time fur Bradley to produce, or get out of the way.

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No i never mentioned draft picks! Or backups.. Gus and Dave select the players .. Gus sets the lineups .. This aint logic... This is fact...Thats his job.. People need to stop giving him excuses..

 

Good God, you make no sense whatsoever.  

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Last year's roster was not gutted. That excuse ran out at the beginning of the 2015 season. A season that allowed us a division with no Andrew luck, a shaky rookie qb with a girlish figure, and the tin horns with a journey man mediocre qb.


We under performed last year... that's the top line.


Saying the fans have suffered enough is Khan's way of very discreetly putting Bradley on the hot seat. It's time fur Bradley to produce, or get out of the way.

 

And the defense was still gutted.  And I don't see how anyone can realistically look at that defense and call them competitive.  They had fill-ins...quick fix bandaids...playing at most positions and they finally turned their efforts to the defensive side of the ball this off-season.  I just can't comprehend how people can't see that.  I'm not even defending Bradley, but how someone cannot see that the talent on the defensive side of the ball was seriously lacking, really confuses me.  Obviously the GM saw it, and that's all that matters to me.

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What part of "We gutted the roster and it will take a couple of seasons to rebuild it to the point of us being competitive on both sides of the ball" are you not getting?  Rome wasn't built in a day...

 

Yeah, that ^^

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And the defense was still gutted.  And I don't see how anyone can realistically look at that defense and call them competitive.  They had fill-ins...quick fix bandaids...playing at most positions and they finally turned their efforts to the defensive side of the ball this off-season.  I just can't comprehend how people can't see that.  I'm not even defending Bradley, but how someone cannot see that the talent on the defensive side of the ball was seriously lacking, really confuses me.  Obviously the GM saw it, and that's all that matters to me.

 

I don't think they're going to get it... If the defensive side of the ball was where it needed to be last year, they wouldn't have focused so intently on improving it this off-season. Simple logic for most.... a foreign concept for others.

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