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pirkster · 06-26-2016, 08:49 PM

Quote:Who cares? If Jack or Ramsey make the pro bowl because they make a bunch of turnover TDs or returned a bunch of punts or blocked a bunch of kicks they'll still have had an impact.

Not saying they won't. I'm expecting they should. I also expect their fair share of miscues, and hitting the rookie wall at some point.

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JagFanatic24 · 06-27-2016, 01:20 AM

Quote:You seem to think the offense will struggle, I don't get it. The defense is what has to prove it, no matter what year this is, and so far they still suck.

No no no no. You definitely misread it then. I was going off another post. Saying IF the offense struggles, we have a defense that could bail them out.

Bullseye · 06-27-2016, 08:42 AM

Quote:I share this sentiment, but also caution to temper expectations.

There will be far too much required from the youth to right this ship. There will be mistakes and confusion, but when the speed meets speed of play we should see big gains in success. Once the rookie fog clears (which will be on an individual basis - separate, unique learning curves,) we should see exceptional change.

Otherwise, at times, we could see occasional meltdowns if/when several players aren't on the same page, and can't get back online.

In the end, the team and the rookies will all be better off for it. It's just a question of how quick will this year's version of "race to maturity" happen. Since the talent has been improved, I'd expect better than what we saw from last year. For many, it should be a shorter gap to bridge.

But that's just it.

If by "youth," you refer to the rookies (including Fowler), then I don't necessarily think that is true.

This team would be improved even without the rookies. With the offense having a full year in the system under their belts, I think there will be improvement on that side of the ball. Reads, from the QB to the linemen to the backs blocking in protections to the receivers reading the coverages and adjusting their routes accordingly, would be far more instinctive/reflexive than last year.

Add in the veteran free agents-Malik Jackson, Tashaun Gipson, Amukumara, Ivory, and Beachum, it's a good bet many of those positions would be upgraded too.

The only thing left would be the rookies and special teams.

I can't speak to whether special teams will be improved, beyond the idea that maybe former starters would now be relegated to special teams, which leads to a presumption-perhaps rebuttable-that better athletes will stock the special teams, making them more effective. I can't speak to whether Myers will be more consistent than last year, or how well Nortman will punt for us.

But the only thing left for the rookies to do is to follow the Seattle exhortations of Gus Bradley-"DO YOUR JOB." Now will a double digit sack season from Fowler help the defense tremendously? Sure. But I think him being healthy and producing the projected five-six sacks and more pressure helps the defense, too. Will an 8 INT, 2 pick six season from Ramsey help? Of course. But such lofty achievements aren't necessary for the secondary to improve. If he can provide more consistent man coverage than the guys we had back there last year, then he improves the secondary. If Jack can provide better speed, athleticism and coverage, he improves the LB corps. Together those three guys performing at that level improve the defense.

The thing is, Ramsey and Jack both have veterans who have been around enough to know the game and to give pointers. Yes, coaches coach and players play, I get that. But that does not mean players don't lend perspectives on the field during games or in practice, or give tips on how to study film, work out/care for their bodies, or how to cover a certain player.

Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!

Deacon · 06-27-2016, 10:09 AM

The way that Jacksonville performed on the field last year reminded me, in a way, of the mid Marino-era Dolphins. I say that because both of those teams had glaring Achilles heels that they simply could not overcome. For Marino, it was the utter lack of any kind of running game. The team went through Running Back after Running Back and just couldn't find one who could produce. For the '15 Jacksonville Squad, it was Third Down Defense.

It just seemed that no matter what, the Defense couldn't get off of the field on Third Down. Maybe it was Pass Rush (this is my favorite culprit), maybe it was Coverage, maybe it was Scheme, but for whatever reason it was something that you just knew would not get fixed in-season. It was going to take talent infusion in order for the team to heal that particular wound.

I am as optimistic as I have ever been with this regime going into this season, and I agree with the OP's title. The team is ready to compete. They now have the pieces in place to compete with other teams, not so much the last few seasons. I'm also on board with the sentiment that the rookies are going to weak spots from time to time on Defense, and that the Offense is going to have to pay the freight for the greater part of the season, and that's okay. That's what the modern NFL is geared towards anyway.

Do I see them winning the Division? No. But I do see them being in the hunt until late in the season and to be competitive in every game that they're in. Not that they'll win, but no more of these 20-30 point blowouts.

I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

**flsprtsgod** · 06-27-2016, 02:14 PM

Quote:No no no no. You definitely misread it then. I was going off another post. Saying IF the offense struggles, we have a defense that could bail them out.

Here's the whole quote of your post, what I read and responded to:

Quote:We got a good enough defense to make up for a struggling offense.

That statement really isn't true (yet). Your overly sunshine on this one.

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Teal Time Radio · 06-27-2016, 04:14 PM

I am going to go against the grain. And base Gus on 0 and 0 but if he fails to make us 8-8 then fired. So short leash

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**NYC4jags** · 06-27-2016, 06:18 PM

Quote:I am going to go against the grain. And base Gus on 0 and 0 but if he fails to make us 8-8 then fired. So short leash

If he fails to win 8 games you'd fire him.

How exactly is that against the grain?

I think LOTS of people feel that way (even if they've set their quota of wins at 7 or 9.)

Teal Time Radio · 06-28-2016, 12:54 AM

Quote:If he fails to win 8 games you'd fire him.

How exactly is that against the grain?

I think LOTS of people feel that way (even if they've set their quota of wins at 7 or 9.)

No what I am saying. For now I will ignore the worst record of headcoaches ever. ..

And this season instead of 8-32. Base his performance on this year alone.

However if with all these weapons cant go 500.

It is time to go. May even give a pass on 7-9 if the majority of games are close.

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pirkster · 06-28-2016, 10:43 AM

Quote:But that's just it.

If by "youth," you refer to the rookies (including Fowler), then I don't necessarily think that is true.

This team would be improved even without the rookies. With the offense having a full year in the system under their belts, I think there will be improvement on that side of the ball. Reads, from the QB to the linemen to the backs blocking in protections to the receivers reading the coverages and adjusting their routes accordingly, would be far more instinctive/reflexive than last year.

Add in the veteran free agents-Malik Jackson, Tashaun Gipson, Amukumara, Ivory, and Beachum, it's a good bet many of those positions would be upgraded too.

The only thing left would be the rookies and special teams.

I can't speak to whether special teams will be improved, beyond the idea that maybe former starters would now be relegated to special teams, which leads to a presumption-perhaps rebuttable-that better athletes will stock the special teams, making them more effective. I can't speak to whether Myers will be more consistent than last year, or how well Nortman will punt for us.

But the only thing left for the rookies to do is to follow the Seattle exhortations of Gus Bradley-"DO YOUR JOB." Now will a double digit sack season from Fowler help the defense tremendously? Sure. But I think him being healthy and producing the projected five-six sacks and more pressure helps the defense, too. Will an 8 INT, 2 pick six season from Ramsey help? Of course. But such lofty achievements aren't necessary for the secondary to improve. If he can provide more consistent man coverage than the guys we had back there last year, then he improves the secondary. If Jack can provide better speed, athleticism and coverage, he improves the LB corps. Together those three guys performing at that level improve the defense.

The thing is, Ramsey and Jack both have veterans who have been around enough to know the game and to give pointers. Yes, coaches coach and players play, I get that. But that does not mean players don't lend perspectives on the field during games or in practice, or give tips on how to study film, work out/care for their bodies, or how to cover a certain player.

I'm not arguing the team won't be improved overall. I do believe it will.

However, I do feel the rookies will be rookies, even if they pan out to be the superstars we expect them to be in the future.

I expect they'll wow us, but I also expect them to remind us they're rookies at times. It's just what happens.

"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Bullseye · 06-28-2016, 11:55 AM

Quote:I'm not arguing the team won't be improved overall. I do believe it will.

However, I do feel the rookies will be rookies, even if they pan out to be the superstars we expect them to be in the future.

I expect they'll wow us, but I also expect them to remind us they're rookies at times. It's just what happens.

No argument on that point.

But I'm not sure if it will be this constant stream of huge, Al Haig "I am in charge" type blunders.

Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!

Cleatwood · 06-28-2016, 07:35 PM

Quote:No what I am saying. For now I will ignore the worst record of headcoaches ever. ..

And this season instead of 8-32. Base his performance on this year alone.

However if with all these weapons cant go 500.

It is time to go. May even give a pass on 7-9 if the majority of games are close.

Just read what you wrote again and let me know if you understand it.