Draft Cook he's the next Devonta Freeman

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I ain't no monkey... I'm an ape.

Some of you guys are gonna be very disappointed when we don't draft Cook. I could never see Cook as part of a Tom Coughlin team. TC is big on character and I just don't see us ever drafting Cook. Like I said, given Tom's history, I believe one of these guys will be our RB in 2017......... Leonard Fournette, D'Onta Forman or Samaje Perine. Maybe it could be another player as well, but I'm 99.9% sure it will not be Cook.

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I'd love if we could trade down and pick up an extra 2nd rounder. Then draft Fournette/Cook, the best available OLman, and then DeMarcus Walker. Couple that with a FA signee (Wagner?) and then roll with an OL of Beachum-2nd-Linder-Cann-Wagner.

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Some of you guys are gonna be very disappointed when we don't draft Cook. I could never see Cook as part of a Tom Coughlin team. TC is big on character and I just don't see us ever drafting Cook. Like I said, given Tom's history, I believe one of these guys will be our RB in 2017......... Leonard Fournette, D'Onta Forman or Samaje Perine. Maybe it could be another player as well, but I'm 99.9% sure it will not be Cook.

 

what are Cook's character concerns again?  

 

if you're talking about him being found not guilty with the jury deliberating for about 5 minutes - then you're wrong.  

 

maybe there is something else?  Cook is my top RB.

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Draft Cook he's the next Devonta Freeman

They were used the exact same way at FSU but Cook is on a whole different level.

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I'd love if we could trade down and pick up an extra 2nd rounder. Then draft Fournette/Cook, the best available OLman, and then DeMarcus Walker. Couple that with a FA signee (Wagner?) and then roll with an OL of Beachum-2nd-Linder-Cann-Wagner.

This all day and night..

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what are Cook's character concerns again?  

 

if you're talking about him being found not guilty with the jury deliberating for about 5 minutes - then you're wrong.  

 

maybe there is something else?  Cook is my top RB.

 

 

 

This has been discussed to death. Go look over in the draft threads under his name. Incidents were discussed at length. I'm not gonna beat a dead horse.

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I keep seeing the "Well if we take a RB that high we better improve the offensive line" argument a lot on here. I am not buying it. I cited the numbers earlier in a different thread and don't feel like digging it up. But our running game was anemic under Olson and it improved TREMENDOUSLY under Hackett. I think it was more about the preparation and play calling more than anything. 

 

Hackett was tasked with running the offense during the tougher stretch of the season. We played much tougher defenses and the running game shined more times than not. I think we only had one game where we ran for less than 80 yards during his time as the offensive coordinator. We ended up running for over 200 yards in one game and then we reeled off I think three or four straight games with over 100+ yards or something to that effect. 

 

The ultimate difference ended up being Olson having less than 600 yards on the ground for the year during his six or seven games and we ended up nearly doubling that amount with close to 1200 yards on the ground with Hackett only having the other eight or nine games to get it done. And, again, that was against the houston tinhorns TWICE, the Vikings, the Chiefs and the Broncos. Much better defenses he had to call against and it worked. 

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I'd love if we could trade down and pick up an extra 2nd rounder. Then draft Fournette/Cook, the best available OLman, and then DeMarcus Walker. Couple that with a FA signee (Wagner?) and then roll with an OL of Beachum-2nd-Linder-Cann-Wagner.

I'm down with that apart from Demarcus Walker.

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There's zero reason to write TJ off as a bust. He's a great change-of-pace back to have in their stable, and he's done a pretty good job at opening up holes when the OL isn't making any. The scheme had so much more to do with the Jaguars rushing struggles than the RBs themselves.


 

What the Jaguars need is to install a proper running game with their scheme, and Coughlin knows precisely how to do that if Marrone doesn't. In a legit scheme, and provided they can keep him healthy, Ivory can be a fine bell-cow RB. They need to feature him as the guy unless they're able to acquire a top RB through free agency as I don't see any later round draft picks coming in and beating out Ivory. Again, I'm fine featuring Ivory, but imagine a backfield where they have an elite back (possibly Cook if you truly think he's that great) with Ivory, TJ and the speedy Grant all waiting in the wings. That would be a true stable of RBs.

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This has been discussed to death. Go look over in the draft threads under his name. Incidents were discussed at length. I'm not gonna beat a dead horse.

If you're tired of people expressing their opinions, then I guess tough [BLEEP]. It's a message board.. Either leave it or deal with it.

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If you're tired of people expressing their opinions, then I guess tough [BAD WORD REMOVED]. It's a message board.. Either leave it or deal with it.

 

 

 

I'm not saying that at all. People can express their opinions all they want. I'm just saying we've discussed the alleged assault and animal cruelty charges against Cook to death in another thread. There's plenty of information on that stuff over in the draft forum. I was just saying that there is no point in adding it here, when there's plenty of information on his past troubles with the law in that other thread. 

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I'd love if we could trade down and pick up an extra 2nd rounder. Then draft Fournette/Cook, the best available OLman, and then DeMarcus Walker. Couple that with a FA signee (Wagner?) and then roll with an OL of Beachum-2nd-Linder-Cann-Wagner.

I don't hate this but I don't want to go into next season with a rookie LG. I think there needs to be a veteran at that spot.

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The first thing that needs to be done at the position is release Denard Robinson.

I think Robinson is a free agent.

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what are Cook's character concerns again?


if you're talking about him being found not guilty with the jury deliberating for about 5 minutes - then you're wrong.


maybe there is something else? Cook is my top RB.

He has an agenda against Cook. Went as far as saying he was the 4th or 5th best RB in the draft. That's really all you need to know when it comes to his opinions.

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He has an agenda against Cook. Went as far as saying he was the 4th or 5th best RB in the draft. That's really all you need to know when it comes to his opinions.

 

 

I have no agenda at all. I have nothing against Florida State either. In fact, I'm a big DeMarcus Walker fan. I simply don't want us to sell our souls, by drafting scumbags. We can win without having to do that. 

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Ivory & Yeldon won't be here much longer. Ivory has a careless disregard for the football and Yeldon is the worst starting RB in the league.

No, he's not. He's the best.


See, I can make stupid unsubstianted statements, too.

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I believe most college running backs have to be judged by their vision, speed, power, elusiveness and durability.

Stats are imho not something that should be considered because some teams go through the entire college season without facing a decent defense.

I mean some of these running backs have basically no opposition until they are at the second level of the defense

( safeties and DBS).

And from what I understand... Basically no college team's ask a running back to stay in and block on passing downs.

So they MUST be judged by what they have done in college that will absolutely transfer to the NFL...

If u go back and look at Elliott the rookie RB for Dallas college highlight YouTube stuff.

You will see him do exactly what he does in Dallas now.

He has a good burst to get him past the d line, he has patience when no hole is there. ( But he doesn't stumble around like yeldon does, he jitter steps but he's looking for a crease while he's doing it and gets 3 or 4 yards almost every time)

While running at speed he makes good decisions when he senses he's going to run out of room and maximizes yards available.

He rarely if ever runs straight into a lone defender with his head down.

He rarely fumbles

He is viscous every time the ball is snapped regardless of what the play is.

He's blocking, running people over, ECT ECT.

We have to find a guy with traits that are most likely to transfer to the NFL.

Looking at yeldons you tube college highlight stuff...

There's no comparison to Elliott's.

I have compared the 2 several times and scoured around for more film.

And there is no comparison.

It's obvious to me that Elliott's skills should have transferred over

And yeldons stats shouldn't have.

Elliott's did

Yeldons didn't.

Yeldon does exactly in the NFL what he did in college if there is no initial hole he's Stutter Steps Jitters and runs into the back of the person in front of him for no gain.

If I can see this and I'm not an NFL evaluator why in the hell do we draft this guy?

P.s.

Now that I realize how to judge a college running backs potential abilities in the NFL based off of College film.

I can not pull my eyes away from Calvin cool.

Everything I saw in Elliott's College film I see in Cooks. The one thing that I see and cooks that is not present in Elliot's is it absolutely amazing ability to make people Miss in close quarters. Elliott has some escapability but look closely resembles Houdini from time to time. For me? I want Dalvin cook

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There's zero reason to write TJ off as a bust. He's a great change-of-pace back to have in their stable, and he's done a pretty good job at opening up holes when the OL isn't making any. The scheme had so much more to do with the Jaguars rushing struggles than the RBs themselves.


What the Jaguars need is to install a proper running game with their scheme, and Coughlin knows precisely how to do that if Marrone doesn't. In a legit scheme, and provided they can keep him healthy, Ivory can be a fine bell-cow RB. They need to feature him as the guy unless they're able to acquire a top RB through free agency as I don't see any later round draft picks coming in and beating out Ivory. Again, I'm fine featuring Ivory, but imagine a backfield where they have an elite back (possibly Cook if you truly think he's that great) with Ivory, TJ and the speedy Grant all waiting in the wings. That would be a true stable of RBs.

I beg to differ.

In extensive opportunity.

Yeldon has not done well enough imho to be given the starter role.

In one opportunity grant absolutely did do enough to at the very least be given more opportunities to show what's next, durability, consistent pass blocking, short yardage ability...

I just don't have patience for a RB who on multiple occasions runs straight into the back of the o lineman in front of him and stumbles to the ground.

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Part of the problem with the running game is the lack of a FB. Somehow we have a weak line and no FB but we think we can run the ball to establish the passing game

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