We actually did need a punter at the time. Sure, we needed a quarterback too, but is Bryan Anger not a better punter than Russell Wilson is a quarterback? I will never understand the criticism of that pick, especially now that some people are calling Wilson a "game manager" who is not a good pocket passer.

 

No Anger is not a better punter than Wilson a QB. 

 

As a matter of fact Anger is average at best.  He isn't even in the top 5 punters in the league.

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No Anger is not a better punter than Wilson a QB. 

 

As a matter of fact Anger is average at best.  He isn't even in the top 5 punters in the league.

 

As a rookie, he was a Pro Bowl alternate.

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As a rookie, he was a Pro Bowl alternate.

Russel Wilson is a starting QB in a Super Bow. 

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Russell Wilson is a starting QB in a Super Bowl. 

 

Because of the defense. Same thing happened last year: game manager Colin Kaepernick started in the Super Bowl because the 49ers had a great defense. Starting in the Super Bowl has nothing in the world to do with being one of the best players at your position.

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I will never understand the criticism of that pick, especially now that some people are calling Wilson a "game manager" who is not a good pocket passer.

I will never understand how you don't understand that.

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Because of the defense. Same thing happened last year: game manager Colin Kaepernick started in the Super Bowl because the 49ers had a great defense. Starting in the Super Bowl has nothing in the world to do with being one of the best players at your position.

Kaep a game manager??? Are you kidding me? Did you watch him in the playoffs last year??? I can't even...

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Just because Russell Wilson is better than Chad Henne does not mean we should have drafted Wilson. There must be a reason he dropped to the third round.

Sometimes I wonder if you're trolling or actually being serious.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

I will never understand how you don't understand that.

 

I think people who criticize the Bryan Anger pick only care about the fact that Russell Wilson is doing a pretty good job in Seattle and would have been an upgrade over Blaine Gabbert. Those fans do not want to see the whole picture. I look at the whole picture - not a big reach, no fourth round pick, needed a punter, best punter in the draft, better at his position than others are at theirs.

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Sometimes I wonder if you're trolling or actually being serious.

 

I am always serious.

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People forget punter was the last piece to the puzzle. With Monroe, Rackley, Meester, Uche, and Britton we had a stout OL and with dangerous weapons in Blackmon, Shorts, Lewis, and MJD. We got our elite passrusher with Branch and had a strong linebacker corps headed by Poz and a secondary comparable to the LOB led by Derek Cox. With Gabbert willing the team to victory, all we needed was a punter and an offensive guru HC in Mike Mularkey to be 'All In' for the Super Bowl. Drafting Wilson would've been a wasted pick with Blaine Gabbert as the face of the franchise -- Gene Smith

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Because of the defense. Same thing happened last year: game manager Colin Kaepernick started in the Super Bowl because the 49ers had a great defense. Starting in the Super Bowl has nothing in the world to do with being one of the best players at your position.

So Kaepernick or Wilson had no hand in their teams success? Maybe the 9ers should have just kept Alex Smith and Tarvares Jackson should be the starter in Seattle.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Because of the defense. Same thing happened last year: game manager Colin Kaepernick started in the Super Bowl because the 49ers had a great defense. Starting in the Super Bowl has nothing in the world to do with being one of the best players at your position.

 

Yeah the Seahawks definitely would have gone to the Super Bowl with Matt Flynn and Charlie Whitehurst. 

 

Wilson is better at QB than Anger is at punter.  Hate to break it to you, but he is. 

 

I would take a "game manager" QB over a punter any day.  Anger was worth about, oh say 7th rounder or UDFA.  And he really isn't all that impressive. 

 

They could have taken a guy who would never do anything and I still would have been happier than when they took Anger.  How many games has Anger won us again?  Big goose egg on that one. 

 

Tinker is a better long snapper than Anger is a punter, does that mean we should have drafted him in the 2nd round?

 

EDIT: It wasn't just Wilson they passed on.  Foles, Hilton, Vernon, Pierce, Sanu, etc......

I really can't believe we are still talking about this. 

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Nope. Someone stated that Kiper had Moore going 2nd in one of his early drafts (before the combine mind you) and you turned around and said it would be dumb to follow what Kiper says. You then posted Moore's reps vs other smaller players insinuating that he isn't that good.


But now I called you out for your blind following of NFL.com's grading system and of course you changed your tune on Damontre Moore and all 11 of his tackles.


Boom roasted.

Boom back at you. Kiper was wrong, right? That makes you wrong, right?


I'm not sure if you can take something so out of context and claim much.

 

NFL draft experts (and apparently most all NFL scouts) dropped Moore based on a poor lift at the Combine? 12 reps? If you examine the rest of his Combine results they were pretty impressive. It didn't make sense.

 

The NFL Network folks reported the issue:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...ng-combine

 

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock didn't hold back in his criticism of Moore.

"I wasn't high on Damontre Moore," he said. "I hear top five, I don't believe it. And by the way, he did (12) reps at (225 pounds). That is totally unacceptable. I don't know how you convert speed to power if at 250 pounds you can only bench press 225 (12) times. So I'm kind of poking holes in all these supposed top-10 guys because I'm not seeing it."

 

Later at Texas A&M's Pro Day Moore improved to 19 reps.

 

The NFL Network draft expert of all draft experts Gil Brandt reported Moore's improvement:

 

Damontre Moore, DE (6-4 3/8, 260) — Moore had a solid work out, performing as both a linebacker and defensive end at the pro day. He ran the short shuttle in 4.37 seconds and had 19 lifts of 225 pounds on the bench press, but was unable to continue due to a sore right leg.

 

So, see if you can put all this together and make some kind of coherent observation.

 

1. Moore was over-rated by Kiper.

2. Moore lifted poorly at the Combine and his stock dropped.

3. Moore's draft grade was not affected because that is just part of his total.

4. Moore's reps improved at his Pro Day, but it wasn't enough to erase doubts.

5. Moore slipped way down in the draft.

6. Giants got arguably first round talent (not elite) in what round?

7. Moore plays behind some impressive defensive line talent.

8. Drafting Moore was a great deal.

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Boom back at you. Kiper was wrong, right? That makes you wrong, right?

I'm not sure if you can take something so out of context and claim much.


NFL draft experts (and apparently most all NFL scouts) dropped Moore based on a poor lift at the Combine? 12 reps? If you examine the rest of his Combine results they were pretty impressive. It didn't make sense.


The NFL Network folks reported the issue:

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000145194/article/damontre-moore-acknowledges-disappointing-combine'>http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000145194/article/damontre-moore-acknowledges-disappointing-combine</a>

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock didn't hold back in his criticism of Moore.

"I wasn't high on Damontre Moore," he said. "I hear top five, I don't believe it. And by the way, he did (12) reps at (225 pounds). That is totally unacceptable. I don't know how you convert speed to power if at 250 pounds you can only bench press 225 (12) times. So I'm kind of poking holes in all these supposed top-10 guys because I'm not seeing it."


Later at Texas A&M's Pro Day Moore improved to 19 reps.


The NFL Network draft expert of all draft experts <a class="bbc_url" href='http://blogs.nfl.com/2013/03/08/texas-ams-christine-michael-explains-oversleeping-at-combine/'>Gil Brandt reported Moore's improvement</a>:

Damontre Moore, DE (6-4 3/8, 260) — Moore had a solid work out, performing as both a linebacker and defensive end at the pro day. He ran the short shuttle in 4.37 seconds and had 19 lifts of 225 pounds on the bench press, but was unable to continue due to a sore right leg.


So, see if you can put all this together and make some kind of coherent observation.


1. Moore was over-rated by Kiper.

2. Moore lifted poorly at the Combine and his stock dropped.

3. Moore's draft grade was not affected because that is just part of his total.

4. Moore's reps improved at his Pro Day, but it wasn't enough to erase doubts.

5. Moore slipped way down in the draft.

6. Giants got arguably first round talent (not elite) in what round?

7. Moore plays behind some impressive defensive line talent.

8. Drafting Moore was a great deal.

This is less about Damontre Moore and more about your blind following of NFL.coms draft grades. As stated above you are totally behind Moore even though he has nothing to show for it yet (not saying he won't be a good player) but dismiss Gratz because of his NFL.com draft grade. Premature much?

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Filling needs is all that matters? Why fill needs when you can use the draft to improve the talent level of your franchise? 

 

One thing for sure, Gene Smith could spot his needs from a mile away. He also lamented just prior to his firing that the Jaguars had no talent.

 

 

You always take the best player available regardless of what position that player plays. Why draft a less talented football player?

 

Picks are assets. You draft to covert the pick to a player.

 

NOBODY drafts BAP exclusively.  To do so would be simply stupid.  You consider the talent of the players available, what your needs are and pick the guy who will best improve the team. 

 

Do you think the Broncos, Seahawks, Patriots, Saints or Packers will be grabbing a QB in the first round just because he's the highest "ranked" player available when their turn comes up?

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

This is less about Damontre Moore and more about your blind following of NFL.coms draft grades. As stated above you are totally behind Moore even though he has nothing to show for it yet (not saying he won't be a good player) but dismiss Gratz because of his NFL.com draft grade. Premature much?

I did wuT?

 

Will Rogers once said, "I'm not so interested in the return on my investment as I am in the return of my investment".

 

Can you figure it all out from that?

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So Kaepernick or Wilson had no hand in their teams success? Maybe the 9ers should have just kept Alex Smith and Tarvares Jackson should be the starter in Seattle.

 

Of course the quarterbacks had a hand in it. I am just saying don't judge a pick based on how many Super Bowls he played in.

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Of course the quarterbacks had a hand in it. I am just saying don't judge a pick based on how many Super Bowls he played in.

No one has.


But anyone with a basic understanding of football knowledge can tell the difference in the value comparing Wilson, a QB vs Anger, a punter.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

This is less about Damontre Moore and more about your blind following of NFL.coms draft grades. As stated above you are totally behind Moore even though he has nothing to show for it yet (not saying he won't be a good player) but dismiss Gratz because of his NFL.com draft grade. Premature much?

 

You're arguing with a guy who believes Gabbert can still do something.  Who believes NFL.com is the end all be all, ignoring that if it were then no team would hire their own scouts.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

NOBODY drafts BAP exclusively.  To do so would be simply stupid.  You consider the talent of the players available, what your needs are and pick the guy who will best improve the team. 

 

Do you think the Broncos, Seahawks, Patriots, Saints or Packers will be grabbing a QB in the first round just because he's the highest "ranked" player available when their turn comes up?

 

Wut?

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