Where so many people miss the boat about gun rights stuff is this:

 

It's not the gun in and of itself that causes the problem. It's the owner of that gun. A gun can be used for good or bad, just as can be many things. If there are enough law abiding, responsible people who have guns, it presents a serious problem to those who want to do harm to others. It's not the gun itself that does this, but the mere threat of facing a gun that does. Hopefully people who carry guns are smart enough to know when a line has been crossed and action is finally necessary as a last resort. In a majority of cases, including a few that I have been personally involved with, the mere threat of force is enough to de-escalate a situation. It has been in all cases when I have drawn my sidearm on another person. I could have fired and probably legally gotten away with it more than once because of the circumstance. I chose not to, I was able to achieve what I set out to do by showing a clear threat of force. That was more than enough every time. That's how it works, and when it doesn't, hopefully the person in that situation is smart enough to know when to say when. Every situation is different. No two will ever be the same. That's where people must train with not only their weapons, but their minds. They must know what the right thing is to do and have no question about it if the time ever comes.

 

A responsible and lawful gun owner is one of the greatest deterrents to crime that will ever be. It's a huge responsibility, but one that can save a life too.

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Your argument about Chicago is so void of substance, it's rediculous.

 

Criminals don't give a rat's rear about getting a perfectly legal gun. They never have and they never will. Now, where your argument falls completely and utterly flat on it's face was what you said in your own words. Yes, people can drive 30 minutes from Chicago (not in traffic, btw...) and get a gun legally. This begs the question: why do the criminals go back to Chicago after getting their guns? Why not run wild on the area that they're already in? I'll tell you why? The criminal prefers to not be confronted by a legitimate threat to their objective. That's why violence is worse in cities like Chicago and Washington DC. Criminals know that the odds of running into resistance are a lot less. Criminals are lazy, which is a huge reason why they're criminals to begin with. Working for a living and doing things the right way is just too much for them. They need motivation to go back into a gun restricted area to commit crimes, rather than committing those crimes in a gun friendly zone. The payoff is that they will meet less resistance. They can perform their crimes and not have to worry as much about their own well being.

 

I have lived in both Chicago and Washington DC. I know firsthand what restrictive gun laws do. You have zero firsthand experience in either city, so you are going off something other than experience. Whatever that may be is flat out wrong. Regional studies have proven that areas with restrictive gun laws have much worse violent crime than areas with gun friendly laws.

 

Also, care to explain why so many of the Swiss carry guns if it's the pristine utopia that you claim it to be? I agree that it has social structures that other places do not, btw, but I completely disagree as to why those people carry guns. I know a Swiss family and speak to them once or twice a month. I know that they say that they carry guns because while crime is low where they live, it is still present. They don't want to be the rare victim, and intend not to be.

 

Your argument is flawed on multiple levels, and frankly you're not in a position to speak intelligently about it. Not because you are you, but because where you live and your environment. You simply don't have enough life experience dealing with this kind of thing to speak reasonably about it.

 

Switzerland has no standing army, they rely on a militia. Most men are conscripted into the Militia and undergo military training.

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Switzerland has no standing army, they rely on a militia. Most men are conscripted into the Militia and undergo military training.

Yes. However, that is incidental.

 

it has little to do with anything. Your implication is that the Swiss should remain ready and prepared against agressors, as a militia does. However, how does that differ from a single person protecting another against an agressor, aside from the number of people involved.

 

You also made my point for me perfectly. Thanks.

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Yes. However, that is incidental.

 

it has little to do with anything. Your implication is that the Swiss should remain ready and prepared against agressors, as a militia does. However, how does that differ from a single person protecting another against an agressor, aside from the number of people involved.

 

You also made my point for me perfectly. Thanks.

 

How is that "my implication"? I'm not implying anything. I gave a clear, factual answer as to why people in Switzerland have guns. I'm not implying that they should or should not. If anything, Switzerland is far less ready and prepared than most nations because they do not have a standing army. Nations operate differently than individuals, and it isn't even an option to NOT have some form of protection as a nation. That's why nations exist - to protect a group from external influences. If you offer no protection, your government will cease to mean anything to the people.

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It great to say that an armed populace is the best crime deterrent, but the devil is in the details. How can we be sure that everyone carrying a gun is well trained and of a sound mind to make a life or death split second decision.

 

There are few take backs after a trigger is pulled.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Why don't we worry about the criminals with the guns before we worry about the law abiding citizens with guns. Some of you on here seem more hung up on the law abiding citizens having guns than the people that aren't supposed to have them and are up to no good with them!!

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Why don't we worry about the criminals with the guns before we worry about the law abiding citizens with guns. Some of you on here seem more hung up on the law abiding citizens having guns than the people that aren't supposed to have them and are up to no good with them!!

 

Are you running for President?

 

 

Besides that, I doubt we are going to solve these issues on a message board.

 

So everybody calm down, and send me a check. ... I will have to come up with a reason later. :verymad:

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 How can we be sure that everyone carrying a gun is well trained and of a sound mind to make a life or death split second decision.

 

They legally own a gun ... duh! :blink:

 

We know what we are doing, stand back and watch this.

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Yes. However, that is incidental.

 

it has little to do with anything. Your implication is that the Swiss should remain ready and prepared against agressors, as a militia does. However, how does that differ from a single person protecting another against an agressor, aside from the number of people involved.

 

You also made my point for me perfectly. Thanks.

 

I have to be honest, if the Swiss are counting on small arms to defend a nation, Ethiopia is probably going to be expanding soon.

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I have to be honest, if the Swiss are counting on small arms to defend a nation, Ethiopia is probably going to be expanding soon.

 

Well, the Swiss do have those handy knives.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Are you running for President?

 

 

Besides that, I doubt we are going to solve these issues on a message board.

 

So everybody calm down, and send me a check. ... I will have to come up with a reason later. :verymad:

Send you a check?? You should be sending me one...for my campaign funding!! :thumbsup:

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Well, the Swiss do have those handy knives.

Don't forget those Swatch watches!!! Those were pretty cool too!! I had one that smelled like bananas!!

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Well, the Swiss do have those handy knives.

 

Nothing like cork screwing a guy out of a foxhole, repairing his bifocals, then dicing up a dill pickle to show him just how advanced your weaponry is.

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Don't forget those Swatch watches!!! Those were pretty cool too!! I had one that smelled like bananas!!

Every one knows the holes in their cheese is actually bullet holes.

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Anyone comes in my store with a weapon to rob me better be in a Kevlar suit because I'm unloading my 9 into him.

 

As soon as the fool picks up a weapon and makes the choice to use the weapon as a means to threaten the health of another for the purpose of taking their money he assumes the risk of the repurcussions. He assumes the risk of myself being overly aggressive with a weapon. He assumes the risk of any bystander being Bruce Willis yippy-eye-ky-O. He assumes the risk of any Johnny Do Gooder shooting him in the back as he's running down the street.

 

I don't believe property is ever worth a life. But nonetheless, a criminal assumes risks when acting in a criminal manner.

 

Regards.................the Chiefjag

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Every one knows the holes in their cheese is actually bullet holes.

It's a small country...they have to do something for target practice!!

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

I have to be honest, if the Swiss are counting on small arms to defend a nation, Ethiopia is probably going to be expanding soon.

Just because their army consists primarily of militia that requires that the members of the militia keep assault rifles, multipurpose shotguns, sniper rifles, submachine guns, and what not at home does not mean that their government does not have more sophisticated weaponry and defensive mechanisms available. Also, good luck handling the wave of attacks that will inevitably come if you opt to attack Switzerland.

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Anyone comes in my store with a weapon to rob me better be in a Kevlar suit because I'm unloading my 9 into him.

 

As soon as the fool picks up a weapon and makes the choice to use the weapon as a means to threaten the health of another for the purpose of taking their money he assumes the risk of the repurcussions. He assumes the risk of myself being overly aggressive with a weapon. He assumes the risk of any bystander being Bruce Willis yippy-eye-ky-O. He assumes the risk of any Johnny Do Gooder shooting him in the back as he's running down the street.

 

I don't believe property is ever worth a life. But nonetheless, a criminal assumes risks when acting in a criminal manner.

 

Regards.................the Chiefjag

 

Yes, we know already what you did to Colnel Custer, do you have to keep reminding us?

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Just because their army consists primarily of militia that requires that the members of the militia keep assault rifles, multipurpose shotguns, sniper rifles, submachine guns, and what not at home does not mean that their government does not have more sophisticated weaponry and defensive mechanisms available. Also, good luck handling the wave of attacks that will inevitably come if you opt to attack Switzerland.

 

Have you ever been to a comedy club?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is where the Swiss draw up their national defense plans.

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It great to say that an armed populace is the best crime deterrent, but the devil is in the details. How can we be sure that everyone carrying a gun is well trained and of a sound mind to make a life or death split second decision.

 

There are few take backs after a trigger is pulled.

Right. I'm sure that vetting that law abiding citizen is the answer.  "Pay no mind to the man behid the curtain...."  I'm sure the unlawful are much more trustworthy. :blink:

 

I love the idea of going after the people that legally own arms and torment them over looking at the root cause of crime.

 

It's no wonder that society has gone where it has lately.....

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What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.