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(03-27-2019, 09:37 AM)B2hibry Wrote:(03-27-2019, 09:02 AM)mikesez Wrote: I'm sorry, did I miss in the news where President Trump and his family are no longer profiting from the Trump hotel in Washington DC, which targets visiting foreign dignitaries?Isn't there a thread for this already? I view your words as a lot of special pleading against the general principle that a person with so much discretionary power over tax dollars should not be able to self-deal. I wonder if Hillary had won, you would come on here and defend her doing similar stuff through her family's "charity."
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We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-27-2019, 10:32 AM)mikesez Wrote:(03-27-2019, 09:37 AM)B2hibry Wrote: Isn't there a thread for this already? So ignorant. They did an entire press conference on the status of his financial dealings the blind trust and the definition of emolument and how that doesn't apply to someone renting a hotel room. Do your homework next time (03-27-2019, 11:28 AM)jj82284 Wrote:(03-27-2019, 10:32 AM)mikesez Wrote: I view your words as a lot of special pleading against the general principle that a person with so much discretionary power over tax dollars should not be able to self-deal. I read about that press conference. You don't think Hillary's people would have done a similar press conference? "We investigated ourselves and found nothing"?
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(03-27-2019, 10:32 AM)mikesez Wrote:(03-27-2019, 09:37 AM)B2hibry Wrote: Isn't there a thread for this already? (03-27-2019, 11:36 AM)mikesez Wrote:(03-27-2019, 11:28 AM)jj82284 Wrote: So ignorant. They did an entire press conference on the status of his financial dealings the blind trust and the definition of emolument and how that doesn't apply to someone renting a hotel room. Do your homework next time Your comments are based on the fiction that Hillary is actually a business woman. She is a politician. I am guessing she has never physically signed the front of a paycheck. (03-27-2019, 11:39 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:(03-27-2019, 10:32 AM)mikesez Wrote: I view your words as a lot of special pleading against the general principle that a person with so much discretionary power over tax dollars should not be able to self-deal. Not really. Hillary maintained a big charity foundation. People claimed, credibly, that she encouraged foreign states to donate to it, and that she got some personal benefit from these donations. The substance of this accusation against Hillary, if true, is not different from how Trump is known to benefit from his business transactions with foreign leaders today.
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(03-27-2019, 11:55 AM)mikesez Wrote:(03-27-2019, 11:39 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Your comments are based on the fiction that Hillary is actually a business woman. She is a politician. I am guessing she has never physically signed the front of a paycheck. I think the proven "pay to play" aspect of the Clinton Foundation is not an apples to apples comparison to anything the Trump Organization does.
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"If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you always got"
Again just ignorance. In the case of a hotel room or a round of golf that's something that has an intrinsic financial value and thus an exchange or transaction doesn't fit as an emolument specifically for the occupation of the Oval office.
On the other hand, Clinton's foundation and the speaking fees to bill were documented as contributing factors to decisions made at state. (Donors were highlighted with FOB 'friends of Bill's). As for Deutsche, lol. Yeh, our global depresdion of oil prices through increased domestic production is exactly what Putin wanted for Christmas. Lol. (03-27-2019, 11:57 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:(03-27-2019, 11:55 AM)mikesez Wrote: Not really. I don't think they ever proved that Hillary or Bill were skimming anything off of money in the foundation. They probably were. And it's definite that foreign dignitaries would have viewed the foundation as a pay-to-play setup. Set up a meeting to discuss your charitable donation and oh by the way bring up your official business during the meeting. Meanwhile, Trump's kids openly collect the profits from his hotel and club operations. Saudis, qataris Chinese, and Taiwanese all suddenly become more interested in staying at or investing in Trump or Kushner properties. Just like it would have been with the Clinton foundation. Doesn't matter if the intent to have pay-to-play is there. From the foreigner's perspective, it looks like pay-to-play and will be played as such.
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(03-27-2019, 12:15 PM)mikesez Wrote:(03-27-2019, 11:57 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: I think the proven "pay to play" aspect of the Clinton Foundation is not an apples to apples comparison to anything the Trump Organization does. Trumps kids aren't president. I don't see any issue with them running the business while their father is POTUS. And you are right. Foreigners do pay to play Trump golf courses. Wouldn't you? ![]() (03-27-2019, 12:09 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Again just ignorance. In the case of a hotel room or a round of golf that's something that has an intrinsic financial value and thus an exchange or transaction doesn't fit as an emolument specifically for the occupation of the Oval office. You don't think a Clinton giving a speech has any intrinsic financial value? Some people like to hear those two talk. Also, while Putin probably has a couple of fat accounts at Deutsche Bank, most of the money in question is controlled by his cronies. Oil prices are more critical to the Russian government than they are to the various wealthy friends of Putin. Hopefully it doesn't surprise you that the interests of a nation may diverge from the interests of a few extremely wealthy people in that nation, even though from our government's perspective, both are foreign influence that shouldn't be there.
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(03-27-2019, 12:23 PM)mikesez Wrote:(03-27-2019, 12:09 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Again just ignorance. In the case of a hotel room or a round of golf that's something that has an intrinsic financial value and thus an exchange or transaction doesn't fit as an emolument specifically for the occupation of the Oval office. No. Not to mention, as illustrated, it directly played a role decision making. Oh my gosh. He has a loan that he disclosed. Doesn't he know banks have other clients? Because obviously a multimillionaire needs Russian oligarchs to cosign. Couldn't u find a pearl clutching emoji? He's "indebted to foreign interests". The most America first president in our lifetime. Lol. (03-27-2019, 10:32 AM)mikesez Wrote:You don't have to like my words but they are supported by fact and not incessant whining.(03-27-2019, 09:37 AM)B2hibry Wrote: Isn't there a thread for this already? Hillary didn't win and her charity is not a recognized global business entity but feel free to stretch out those core muscles reaching. ![]() We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-27-2019, 12:15 PM)mikesez Wrote:(03-27-2019, 11:57 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: I think the proven "pay to play" aspect of the Clinton Foundation is not an apples to apples comparison to anything the Trump Organization does. The Clintons got real rich real fast after Bill left the White House.
I think you guys are missing the point.
The electoral college was supposed to resist demagogues. It hasn't, for a long time, and the demagoguery is getting worse. Trump is the most intensely demagogical orator we've had as President in our lifetimes. You don't have to agree with me on that. Nearly every unique aspect of his personality is something that the founders would have singled out as unfit for office. You're getting lost in the weeds disputing that. The founders did not want business men in the White House. Jimmy Carter understood this. but my point still stands even if you disagree with me at all these things. it might help you understand my point if you consider how little follow-through Trump really has. This all could have been a lot worse. What if he started telling TSA to ignore federal judges after his first Muslim ban? What if he didn't get the size of tax cut he wanted, but directed IRS to enforce the tax code as if he did? What if he thought global warming was a national emergency? What if the next President, of either party, pairs Trump's demagoguery and narcissism with courage and follow through? Don't you agree that that would be terrible? How can we prevent that?
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(03-27-2019, 04:15 PM)mikesez Wrote: I think you guys are missing the point. What the left fails to see is that President Trump is a product of years of a biased media and mooshy RINO’s. Years of being abused by popular culture and an out of control Democrat propaganda machine pretending to be the media. But the main reason is that the traditional Republican was weak and never really stood up to the Democrats. We wanted someone to fight back and win. He does that, and that is why he WILL win again.
"If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you always got"
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-28-2019, 04:45 PM)Ronster Wrote:Will you boycott Murica if he loses?(03-27-2019, 04:15 PM)mikesez Wrote: I think you guys are missing the point. (03-28-2019, 04:45 PM)Ronster Wrote:(03-27-2019, 04:15 PM)mikesez Wrote: I think you guys are missing the point. and what you fail to see is that a group's political opinion has nothing to do with how nice or mean that group is. those on the left are capable of being mean and hurting feelings and breaking norms as well, and by electing Trump we have given them the invitation.
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(03-28-2019, 06:53 PM)mikesez Wrote:(03-28-2019, 04:45 PM)Ronster Wrote: What the left fails to see is that President Trump is a product of years of a biased media and mooshy RINO’s. Years of being abused by popular culture and an out of control Democrat propaganda machine pretending to be the media. But the main reason is that the traditional Republican was weak and never really stood up to the Democrats. We wanted someone to fight back and win. He does that, and that is why he WILL win again. "We"??? ![]() “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
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