But those people were not in the THOUSANDS. And, if you just think about this critically for a second... most Capitol police stood down. It would have been easy for the people to actually kidnap and execute congress people if that's what they wanted to do. Even 500 people who armed themselves would have overrun that defense and got what they wanted. I bet you can't even find 100 people that were actually planning to do anything except be angry. If you can't recognize that yourself, maybe you should follow the FBI's own findings which said there was no coordinated effort to overthrow the government that day. Drop the MSM narrative.

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But those people were not in the THOUSANDS. And, if you just think about this critically for a second... most  Capitol police stood down. It would have been easy for the people to actually kidnap and execute congress people if that's what they wanted to do. Even 500 people who armed themselves would have overrun that defense and got what they wanted. I bet you can't even find 100 people that were actually planning to do anything except be angry. If you can't recognize that yourself, maybe you should follow the FBI's own findings which said there was no coordinated effort to overthrow the government that day. Drop the MSM narrative.

There was coordination and planning in small groups, just not at a high level.  That doesn't make the individuals involved any less guilty.  Especially not Trump, the guy who called for all of it to happen.  He was clearly hoping the efforts would be more coordinated and only called things off when it was clear that all members of Congress were safe and protected by loyal security forces.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

And none of those morons knew about guns? What was their big plan? Kill everyone with rage?

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And none of those morons knew about guns? What was their big plan? Kill everyone with rage?

I wouldn't be so sure that there were no guns. Most perps were not checked coming or going.  They also assumed that most of the police would be on their side when needed.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

And none of those morons knew about guns? What was their big plan? Kill everyone with rage?

The rioters at the Capital didn't look like they could plan a children's party.

No, they just used fire extinguishers.

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That's been debunked. That police officer died of natural causes. Again, I'm not saying there was no violence. There clearly was. I'm pointing out that the attempts to make this look like a coordinated overthrow of the government only work because of innate biases. Most of the people there were angry but peaceful. Some talked more than others. Some even got violent. However the evidence that they went there for violent revolution is not supported by facts or even reason.

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For the record, I agree that thousands of people were rioting.

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That's been debunked. That police officer died of natural causes. Again, I'm not saying there was no violence. There clearly was. I'm pointing out that the attempts to make this look like a coordinated overthrow of the government only work because of innate biases. Most of the people there were angry but peaceful. Some talked more than others. Some even got violent. However the evidence that they went there for violent revolution is not supported by facts or even reason.

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For the record, I agree that thousands of people were rioting.

I agree with all this...

But if it were an attempt at an overthrow? There'd be guns. And yes, they are all gun owners. They didn't bring any.

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That's been debunked. That police officer died of natural causes. Again, I'm not saying there was no violence. There clearly was. I'm pointing out that the attempts to make this look like a coordinated overthrow of the government only work because of innate biases. Most of the people there were angry but peaceful. Some talked more than others. Some even got violent. However the evidence that they went there for violent revolution is not supported by facts or even reason.

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For the record, I agree that thousands of people were rioting.

I never said anything about his cause of death. I simply pointed out that the extinguisher was used as a weapon.

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The media has tarnished the truth regarding what happened that day and a certain segment of the population can't get over it.

It was a protest.  Nothing more and nothing less.  There were bad actors on both sides that took it too far, but it wasn't by any means an "insurrection".

I watched it unfold live on television while flipping through various news channels.  All that I saw were a lot of people carrying flags and pro-Trump signs.

The footage of the officer that murdered Ashley Babbitt shows no clear threat.  She may have broken through a barrier, but a woman her size was no clear threat other than being pissed off.  She was un-armed.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

The media has tarnished the truth regarding what happened that day and a certain segment of the population can't get over it.

It was a protest.  Nothing more and nothing less.  There were bad actors on both sides that took it too far, but it wasn't by any means an "insurrection".

I watched it unfold live on television while flipping through various news channels.  All that I saw were a lot of people carrying flags and pro-Trump signs.

The footage of the officer that murdered Ashley Babbitt shows no clear threat.  She may have broken through a barrier, but a woman her size was no clear threat other than being pissed off.  She was un-armed.

You are so biased, it blinds you.

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The media has tarnished the truth regarding what happened that day and a certain segment of the population can't get over it.

It was a protest.  Nothing more and nothing less.  There were bad actors on both sides that took it too far, but it wasn't by any means an "insurrection".

I watched it unfold live on television while flipping through various news channels.  All that I saw were a lot of people carrying flags and pro-Trump signs.

The footage of the officer that murdered Ashley Babbitt shows no clear threat.  She may have broken through a barrier, but a woman her size was no clear threat other than being pissed off.  She was un-armed.

You are so biased, it blinds you.

Whatever...  As a former peace officer I have seen nothing that justifies deadly force.  Deadly force should only be used if there is an imminent threat to the officer's life, or the life of another.  There is nothing that I saw in the limited video that I have seen that justifies it.

Had she broken through completely she could have easily been controlled and taken into custody.  If others started coming through, again they could have been controlled.

I'm usually one that backs law enforcement officers in the case of deadly force.  In this case, it was wrong.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

You are so biased, it blinds you.

Whatever...  As a former peace officer I have seen nothing that justifies deadly force.  Deadly force should only be used if there is an imminent threat to the officer's life, or the life of another.  There is nothing that I saw in the limited video that I have seen that justifies it.

Had she broken through completely she could have easily been controlled and taken into custody.  If others started coming through, again they could have been controlled.

I'm usually one that backs law enforcement officers in the case of deadly force.  In this case, it was wrong.

IMO, when you are breaking the law and a police officer tells you to stand down, yet you ignore his commands, you deserve to get shot. I have absolutely no sympathy for her at all. I don't care what sex you are, what color you are or where you come from. When you are breaking the law and an officer commands you to stop, you either follow orders or face the consequences. I would have shot her too, if I was in the same situation. 

I wonder if you would feel the same way if this was a bunch of liberals rioting and looting the capital building? I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this. We all do.

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You are so biased, it blinds you.

Whatever...  As a former peace officer I have seen nothing that justifies deadly force.  Deadly force should only be used if there is an imminent threat to the officer's life, or the life of another.  There is nothing that I saw in the limited video that I have seen that justifies it.
Had she broken through completely she could have easily been controlled and taken into custody.  If others started coming through, again they could have been controlled.

I'm usually one that backs law enforcement officers in the case of deadly force.  In this case, it was wrong.

Not to mention there were police all around her that did nothing. He got away with murder.

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"If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you always got"

The media has tarnished the truth regarding what happened that day and a certain segment of the population can't get over it.

It was a protest.  Nothing more and nothing less.  There were bad actors on both sides that took it too far, but it wasn't by any means an "insurrection".

I watched it unfold live on television while flipping through various news channels.  All that I saw were a lot of people carrying flags and pro-Trump signs.

The footage of the officer that murdered Ashley Babbitt shows no clear threat.  She may have broken through a barrier, but a woman her size was no clear threat other than being pissed off.  She was un-armed.

Yea alone she poses no threat... The fact of the matter here is that she wasn't alone. She had hundreds of people behind her that were about to follow her right through that hole. Is the cop just suppose to assume that all of those people, who had just spent their time breaking through a damn barricade, are going to just politely walk right past him and leave him alone? Highly unlikely and it would be stupid of him to take that risk.

He acted and neutralized the possible threat/advancement of that mob. You notice how nobody else tried to stick their dumb [BLEEP] heads through that window afterwards? Yea, because he shut that [BLEEP] down real fast, just like he had every right to.

That fact that politics and main stream media have warped so many people's minds, like yours and so many others on issues like this, is honestly sickening, pathetic and really sad to see.

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The media has tarnished the truth regarding what happened that day and a certain segment of the population can't get over it.

It was a protest.  Nothing more and nothing less.  There were bad actors on both sides that took it too far, but it wasn't by any means an "insurrection".

I watched it unfold live on television while flipping through various news channels.  All that I saw were a lot of people carrying flags and pro-Trump signs.

The footage of the officer that murdered Ashley Babbitt shows no clear threat.  She may have broken through a barrier, but a woman her size was no clear threat other than being pissed off.  She was un-armed.

Yea alone she poses no threat... The fact of the matter here is that she wasn't alone. She had hundreds of people behind her that were about to follow her right through that hole. Is the cop just suppose to assume that all of those people, who had just spent their time breaking through a damn barricade, are going to just politely walk right past him and leave him alone? Highly unlikely and it would be stupid of him to take that risk.

He acted and neutralized the possible threat/advancement of that mob. You notice how nobody else tried to stick their dumb [BLEEP] heads through that window afterwards? Yea, because he shut that [BLEEP] down real fast, just like he had every right to.

That fact that politics and main stream media have warped so many people's minds, like yours and so many others on issues like this, is honestly sickening, pathetic and really sad to see.

+1

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

I have no sympathy for her, or anyone else if they would've gotten shot that day, just like I have no sympathy for the majority of the people who get shot resisting arrest, or who are rioting, looting, or causing destruction.  If you do stupid [BLEEP], you should expect bad things to happen to you.

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You are so biased, it blinds you.

Whatever...  As a former peace officer I have seen nothing that justifies deadly force.  Deadly force should only be used if there is an imminent threat to the officer's life, or the life of another.  There is nothing that I saw in the limited video that I have seen that justifies it.

Had she broken through completely she could have easily been controlled and taken into custody.  If others started coming through, again they could have been controlled.

I'm usually one that backs law enforcement officers in the case of deadly force.  In this case, it was wrong.

You’re making baseless assumptions based on something you saw on television. 

You have no real ability to assess whether that crowd could have been controlled or not had  they all begun to breach that final threshold. 

The cop in question had to make a difficult decision with multiple felonious trespassers ignoring his instructions and dozens of lawmakers counting on his protection.

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Cool. As long as this is the standard moving forward in most cop shootings.

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Cool. As long as this is the standard moving forward in most cop shootings.

"most"

You'd prefer to treat shootings with a blanket approach rather than analyze them individually?  

Interesting.

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Lol. It's a statistical fact that most shootings are justified. Once again, you rely on rhetoric to make any points at all. Carry on.

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