The answer continues to be "I didn't say what you copy pasta'd me saying I said but what I said in what I didn't say was right and you are too dumb and old to understand the right things I said I didn't say."

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Me too, we so rarely have that guy who overachieves to become a good player. We got a few like Telvin in the bottom of the draft and really only James Robinson from the undrafted pool. It would be nice to pick up a couple off the pile who go from zero to solid starter for us.

Van Lanen was the Packers highest rated lineman in the Preseason last year.  I had high hopes for him last year.  I remember when Scherff got banged up and they put Lanen in on the first play he got destroyed and almost got Trev killed.  It was an eye opener for sure and they took him back out a play or 2 later.  I think it was just the rust and I feel though if he got more playing time he would of settled in.

Hopefully that's the case. I'd like to see some new names in the mix, the way we got those two guys is usually how you get good interior linemen, so let's hope one develops for us soon.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Van Lanen was the Packers highest rated lineman in the Preseason last year.  I had high hopes for him last year.  I remember when Scherff got banged up and they put Lanen in on the first play he got destroyed and almost got Trev killed.  It was an eye opener for sure and they took him back out a play or 2 later.  I think it was just the rust and I feel though if he got more playing time he would of settled in.

Hopefully that's the case. I'd like to see some new names in the mix, the way we got those two guys is usually how you get good interior linemen, so let's hope one develops for us soon.

Agreed, when you look around the league almost every team finds these hidden Gems in the late rounds to undrafted.  Or even the middle rounds they found All Pros.  Look at the 49ers, Warner was a 3rd round pick and Greenaw was a 5th, Hufanga was a 5th round pick, Ward was undrafted.  Hell, look at Seatlle Diggs was a 6th round pick and Woolen was a 5th round pick. You can do this with almost every team in the league and then there is us.  It's just another reason we have been at the bottom for so long because we haven't been able to hit on our pick regardless of where they were picked.

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I called him a bust about 3/4's of the way through last season.  I started with he was fixable but had to improve as the season went on.  He didn't.  So I called him a bust.  But his last game and a half were good.  Maybe he'll pull it together consistently.

On the plus side:

* A magic rocket arm

On the negative:

* Poor anticipation - waits for players to get open, relying on his rocket arm to make up time.
* Doesn't set his feet properly - relying on his magic arm to make the throw regardless.
* Flushes from the pocket when he should step up (which he suddenly started doing in the last game and a half)


I'll just bookmark this for posterity.

Honestly not a surprise you feel this way, you were a pretty consistent poster up until the bye last season when you basically stopped posting for the final 8 games of the season.  Naturally, you made a brief return during the 1st half of the wild card game before disappearing again.  You bailed at the first sign of Trevor turning the corner and only returned to bash him again before going back into hiding when he came back and won.  At least CJB stuck around during Trevor's good times to defend his position, you ducked out and only returned when there's no games going on.  It's honestly some pretty low quality trolling you got going on.

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ChrisJagBoy,

Just a few more questions...if you would be so kind.  We blue hairs have a hard time understanding at times.

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So for one final time, I will say this. I stand by what I actually said, not the words put in my mouth by the other two people on this board. I never once called him a bust, I never said he couldn't be good. I only pointed out his flaws that I saw by watching literally every play he made at Clemson and when those issues reared their head during games, I posted about them in the game day threads as a response to the mods who told me I was wrong when I wasn't.

Quoting the your exact words verbatim and posting actual screenshots of your posts is not "putting words in your mouth." 

Please attempt to make your "points" or continue backpedaling without the blatant lies and false allegations. 

Thanks

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My thoughts are you’re right on the money. I would only swap Brunell over Lawrence but it’s splitting hairs. Lawrence went to a Pro Bowl and won a playoff game. Up until this season, Lawrence has 12 regular season wins in 2 seasons.  

At the end of the ‘99 season Brunell won 4 playoff games and made 3 Pro Bowls. Brunell also led the league in passing in ‘96 and won 44 games as a starter by the end of the ‘99 season.

Also, Willie Jackson was in his 2nd season with the Bengals in 1999. His last season in Jacksonville was 1997. You probably meant Reggie Barlow which doesn’t change anything because ‘99 WRs still win the edge. Jimmy Smith led the league in receiving yards in 1999 and was a Pro Bowler. McCardell also made the Pro Bowl in ‘96 as a Jaguar.

(Emphasis added)


I sensed something was wrong with my Willie Jackson analysis, but it didn't dawn on me exactly what it was at the time and I wasn't inclined to look it up due to laziness. 

Mea culpa.  I stand corrected.

Hey it’s all good. I love talking about ‘90’s Jaguar Football. Just found out they went 7-1 at home in back to back seasons in the 90’s…And at one point they won 8 divisional games in a single year. Talk about an unbreakable team record..Brunell never lost more than 7 games as a starter except for 2000 2001 2002. He’s never lost more than 9 regular season games his entire career as a starter. 

I’m gonna go pop some popcorn encase this thread gets to 50 pages..I’ll be back soon.

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I called him a bust about 3/4's of the way through last season.  I started with he was fixable but had to improve as the season went on.  He didn't.  So I called him a bust.  But his last game and a half were good.  Maybe he'll pull it together consistently.

On the plus side:

* A magic rocket arm

On the negative:

* Poor anticipation - waits for players to get open, relying on his rocket arm to make up time.
* Doesn't set his feet properly - relying on his magic arm to make the throw regardless.
* Flushes from the pocket when he should step up (which he suddenly started doing in the last game and a half)


I'll just bookmark this for posterity.

you do that, chief.

You're too slow, chief.  Already done.  But I'm sure this isn't the first time you have learned you are slow, champ.

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I called him a bust about 3/4's of the way through last season.  I started with he was fixable but had to improve as the season went on.  He didn't.  So I called him a bust.  But his last game and a half were good.  Maybe he'll pull it together consistently.

On the plus side:

* A magic rocket arm

On the negative:

* Poor anticipation - waits for players to get open, relying on his rocket arm to make up time.
* Doesn't set his feet properly - relying on his magic arm to make the throw regardless.
* Flushes from the pocket when he should step up (which he suddenly started doing in the last game and a half)


I'll just bookmark this for posterity.

Honestly not a surprise you feel this way, you were a pretty consistent poster up until the bye last season when you basically stopped posting for the final 8 games of the season.  Naturally, you made a brief return during the 1st half of the wild card game before disappearing again.  You bailed at the first sign of Trevor turning the corner and only returned to bash him again before going back into hiding when he came back and won.  At least CJB stuck around during Trevor's good times to defend his position, you ducked out and only returned when there's no games going on.  It's honestly some pretty low quality trolling you got going on.

It wasn't trolling.  But if it were, you bit.  Low quality fish, I guess.

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Regarding the 2023 Jaguars Offensive Line:

Many of you are probably tired of hearing my concern over this unit, but it truly is the biggest uncertainty of all our position groups.

I feel good about Little at LT, but not so good about LG.
I feel like our young Center will step up, but to what degree?
I feel like RG depth can become an issue with Scherff's age and mileage.
RT is a question mark due to the rookie start and he's bound to take some lumps in year one.

Over the last year I've harped on the LG/C combo not doing a good job of creating a pocket for Trevor to step into.
His elusiveness, quick release and Pederson's play calling have kept the issue from being a giant, glaring red flag to most fans.
I believe the team's inability to run the ball traditionally up the middle in short yardage situations and the number of times those attempts fail are inexorably linked to the deficiencies I see at those positions.

Here is a 2023 league wide OL ranking with stats supporting that statement.

https://thehuddle.com/2023/06/16/2023-of...-rankings/

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Regarding the 2023 Jaguars Offensive Line:

Many of you are probably tired of hearing my concern over this unit, but it truly is the biggest uncertainty of all our position groups.

I feel good about Little at LT, but not so good about LG.
I feel like our young Center will step up, but to what degree?
I feel like RG depth can become an issue with Scherff's age and mileage.
RT is a question mark due to the rookie start and he's bound to take some lumps in year one.

Over the last year I've harped on the LG/C combo not doing a good job of creating a pocket for Trevor to step into.
His elusiveness, quick release and Pederson's play calling have kept the issue from being a giant, glaring red flag to most fans.
I believe the team's inability to run the ball traditionally up the middle in short yardage situations and the number of times those attempts fail are inexorably linked to the deficiencies I see at those positions.

Here is a 2023 league wide OL ranking with stats supporting that statement.

https://thehuddle.com/2023/06/16/2023-of...-rankings/

The age factor is a good point

Wonder if that means we will be further expanding on the RG position come the next draft or if someone decent enters free agency

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Regarding the 2023 Jaguars Offensive Line:

Many of you are probably tired of hearing my concern over this unit, but it truly is the biggest uncertainty of all our position groups.

I feel good about Little at LT, but not so good about LG.
I feel like our young Center will step up, but to what degree?
I feel like RG depth can become an issue with Scherff's age and mileage.
RT is a question mark due to the rookie start and he's bound to take some lumps in year one.

Over the last year I've harped on the LG/C combo not doing a good job of creating a pocket for Trevor to step into.
His elusiveness, quick release and Pederson's play calling have kept the issue from being a giant, glaring red flag to most fans.
I believe the team's inability to run the ball traditionally up the middle in short yardage situations and the number of times those attempts fail are inexorably linked to the deficiencies I see at those positions.

Here is a 2023 league wide OL ranking with stats supporting that statement.

https://thehuddle.com/2023/06/16/2023-of...-rankings/

The age factor is a good point

Wonder if that means we will be further expanding on the RG position come the next draft or if someone decent enters free agency

Hoping they find and develop a mid to late rounder for that spot, put they'll need to draft earlier if they fail to do so. 
Maybe the Hodges kid they just drafted late could fit there in time. Long shot, but...

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Regarding the 2023 Jaguars Offensive Line:

Many of you are probably tired of hearing my concern over this unit, but it truly is the biggest uncertainty of all our position groups.

I feel good about Little at LT, but not so good about LG.
I feel like our young Center will step up, but to what degree?
I feel like RG depth can become an issue with Scherff's age and mileage.
RT is a question mark due to the rookie start and he's bound to take some lumps in year one.

Over the last year I've harped on the LG/C combo not doing a good job of creating a pocket for Trevor to step into.
His elusiveness, quick release and Pederson's play calling have kept the issue from being a giant, glaring red flag to most fans.
I believe the team's inability to run the ball traditionally up the middle in short yardage situations and the number of times those attempts fail are inexorably linked to the deficiencies I see at those positions.

Here is a 2023 league wide OL ranking with stats supporting that statement.

https://thehuddle.com/2023/06/16/2023-of...-rankings/

I definitely share your concerns about the offensive line. Obviously, the one thing that would prevent the Jags from winning the AFC South would be Trevor missing any significant amount of time due to an injury. He was certainly fortunate that this didn't happen last season, especially when he missed some plays in the Lions game after taking a big hit. Little and Harrison are potentially solid bookend tackles for the future, but there are legitimate concerns for this season with Harrison being a rookie and Little not yet having a big enough body of work to feel totally confident that he can protect Trevor's blind-side. For this reason, I would not try to shop Cam Robinson to a team in desperate need of a tackle. I believe the interior linemen will be fine as long as Schereff remains healthy. I'm definitely pulling for Cooper Hodges, the local kid, to make the team and eventually contend for a starting spot. I enjoyed the article about him last weekend in the Times-Union. He seems like a great kid who'd be a fan favorite due to his work ethic and engaging personality.

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You get a good guard by grabbing 5 guys from the bottom of the draft and UDFA and keeping them around for a couple years to figure out which one can play. We've been bad at both picking and developing these guys in the past; hopefully this regime will be the new gold standard for doing so.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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So for one final time, I will say this. I stand by what I actually said, not the words put in my mouth by the other two people on this board. I never once called him a bust, I never said he couldn't be good. I only pointed out his flaws that I saw by watching literally every play he made at Clemson and when those issues reared their head during games, I posted about them in the game day threads as a response to the mods who told me I was wrong when I wasn't.

Quoting the your exact words verbatim and posting actual screenshots of your posts is not "putting words in your mouth." 

Please attempt to make your "points" or continue backpedaling without the blatant lies and false allegations. 

Thanks

Things you've quoted me saying/posted pictures of:

"How can you nut huggers defend that trash" - 30 seconds after one of the worst NFL passes viewed in my life, speaking on the play not the player.
"I have no hope/faith in the 2022 season, Trevor's 12 tds 17 ints and terrible play absolutely played a part in that lack of faith last year" - Still not calling him a bust, but he was absolutely garbage in 2021. 

Nothing you've quoted/posted has backed up your idiotic claims against me, so just do yourself a favor and shut up because nobody cares.

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Quoting the your exact words verbatim and posting actual screenshots of your posts is not "putting words in your mouth." 

Please attempt to make your "points" or continue backpedaling without the blatant lies and false allegations. 

Thanks

Things you've quoted me saying/posted pictures of:

"How can you nut huggers defend that trash" - 30 seconds after one of the worst NFL passes viewed in my life, speaking on the play not the player.
"I have no hope/faith in the 2022 season, Trevor's 12 tds 17 ints and terrible play absolutely played a part in that lack of faith last year" - Still not calling him a bust, but he was absolutely garbage in 2021. 

Nothing you've quoted/posted has backed up your idiotic claims against me, so just do yourself a favor and shut up because nobody cares.

Clearly you do, which is completely understandable when you make such a fool of yourself for months on end. Otherwise you wouldn't have even responded (again). Instead you keep trying to justify the indefensible.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Quoting the your exact words verbatim and posting actual screenshots of your posts is not "putting words in your mouth." 

Please attempt to make your "points" or continue backpedaling without the blatant lies and false allegations. 

Thanks

Things you've quoted me saying/posted pictures of:

"How can you nut huggers defend that trash" - 30 seconds after one of the worst NFL passes viewed in my life, speaking on the play not the player.
"I have no hope/faith in the 2022 season, Trevor's 12 tds 17 ints and terrible play absolutely played a part in that lack of faith last year" - Still not calling him a bust, but he was absolutely garbage in 2021. 

Nothing you've quoted/posted has backed up your idiotic claims against me, so just do yourself a favor and shut up because nobody cares.

LOL

Well, here are some of your actual quotes (again) for you to lie about some more. Feel free to insert more lies about their context too! I'm sure that's fooling someone out there. 

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Things you've quoted me saying/posted pictures of:

"How can you nut huggers defend that trash" - 30 seconds after one of the worst NFL passes viewed in my life, speaking on the play not the player.
"I have no hope/faith in the 2022 season, Trevor's 12 tds 17 ints and terrible play absolutely played a part in that lack of faith last year" - Still not calling him a bust, but he was absolutely garbage in 2021. 

Nothing you've quoted/posted has backed up your idiotic claims against me, so just do yourself a favor and shut up because nobody cares.

LOL

Well, here are some of your actual quotes (again) for you to lie about some more. Feel free to insert more lies about their context too! I'm sure that's fooling someone out there. 

All the effort you put into finding these quotes and have still yet to prove any point. I've already said that I called him out for his bad play, still waiting to see where I said he would never be good.

Also do me a favor, stretch out these posts for me, i'd be willing to bet 90% of this is on game day threads.

Edit: Also side note, the Bethard quote is quite a funny one. Lawrence was playing like absolute dog [BLEEP] the entire game, everyone in that thread was blaming the WRs and Bethard came in for all of 4 or so plays and threw 3 absolute dots, one of which would have been a 40+ yard td if Agnew didn't drop it.

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LOL

Well, here are some of your actual quotes (again) for you to lie about some more. Feel free to insert more lies about their context too! I'm sure that's fooling someone out there. 

All the effort you put into finding these quotes and have still yet to prove any point. I've already said that I called him out for his bad play, still waiting to see where I said he would never be good.

Also do me a favor, stretch out these posts for me, i'd be willing to bet 90% of this is on game day threads.

Edit: Also side note, the Bethard quote is quite a funny one. Lawrence was playing like absolute dog [BLEEP] the entire game, everyone in that thread was blaming the WRs and Bethard came in for all of 4 or so plays and threw 3 absolute dots, one of which would have been a 40+ yard td if Agnew didn't drop it.

Now this is hilarious.  People are ‘making excuses’ about the WRs and you do THE EXACT SAME THING.  What a joke.  

But let me repeat.  I called this WAY BACK when you first started in on Lawrence.  You were so blind to see anything positive with Lawrence it was incredible.  It was like you wanted Lawrence to fail.  But you always kept those little tiny caveats so you could say that you never said that.  And now.  Voila.  Where Lawrence is doing exactly what everyone else could see coming, you’re on board.

Pathetic.

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All the effort you put into finding these quotes and have still yet to prove any point. I've already said that I called him out for his bad play, still waiting to see where I said he would never be good.

Also do me a favor, stretch out these posts for me, i'd be willing to bet 90% of this is on game day threads.

Edit: Also side note, the Bethard quote is quite a funny one. Lawrence was playing like absolute dog [BLEEP] the entire game, everyone in that thread was blaming the WRs and Bethard came in for all of 4 or so plays and threw 3 absolute dots, one of which would have been a 40+ yard td if Agnew didn't drop it.

Now this is hilarious.  People are ‘making excuses’ about the WRs and you do THE EXACT SAME THING.  What a joke.  

But let me repeat.  I called this WAY BACK when you first started in on Lawrence.  You were so blind to see anything positive with Lawrence it was incredible.  It was like you wanted Lawrence to fail.  But you always kept those little tiny caveats so you could say that you never said that.  And now.  Voila.  Where Lawrence is doing exactly what everyone else could see coming, you’re on board.

Pathetic.

Dude how stupid are you? I SAID WHILE OTHERS BLAMED THE WRS, NOT ME. This is the kind of ignorance that has lead to a big majority of this board being ignorant towards me. And if you're referring to the Agnew drop, you should go rewatch that game. Lawrence was over throwing WRs left right and center, all game. Drops weren't the issue for him.

Anyway back to making NYC look like a donkey once again. Check the dates!


Don't see me clamoring to draft someone else, 4 months prior to the draft once we locked into the #1 pick I made my opinions very clear in this post. As i've been saying, over hyped.. not a bust.








Again, pre draft Lawrence was my choice for #1.... but I thought HES A BUST? WHAT?






Giving props to him, during a terrible season.. ooh I must hate him





Comparision to Mannings rookie year, looking at the bright side and CLEARLY STATING THAT I STILL HAVE DOUBTS BUT SEE NOTHING HE CAN'T BE COACHED OUT OF.




Right at the end of his terrible rookie season, I said nothing of the sort of selecting a new QB to replace him.. duh









These are all THREADS I MADE, not random screenshots from game day threads like NYC loves to post without context (tho it's really easy to just google the date on those posts and realize they were during a game and I was speaking on his play THAT DAY not calling him a bust for life.




I could honestly post 100 more pictures of what i've said, follow it up with things i've said recently and show it all lines up.. but alas, considering the guy i'm replying too can't even comprehend what I said about the WR's regarding the Bethard post, I doubt this will change anything either.

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Just a reminder to poochie and the rest of yas that this is a thread about our OL.

I can't wait to see them in TC and preseason, I think it's the biggest project for us to work on as a team. We need to establish pecking order, weed out the dead wood, and potentially fill in gaps if what we got now ain't enough. Gonna be a busy few weeks.

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Now this is hilarious.  People are ‘making excuses’ about the WRs and you do THE EXACT SAME THING.  What a joke.  

But let me repeat.  I called this WAY BACK when you first started in on Lawrence.  You were so blind to see anything positive with Lawrence it was incredible.  It was like you wanted Lawrence to fail.  But you always kept those little tiny caveats so you could say that you never said that.  And now.  Voila.  Where Lawrence is doing exactly what everyone else could see coming, you’re on board.

Pathetic.

Dude how stupid are you? I SAID WHILE OTHERS BLAMED THE WRS, NOT ME. This is the kind of ignorance that has lead to a big majority of this board being ignorant towards me. And if you're referring to the Agnew drop, you should go rewatch that game. Lawrence was over throwing WRs left right and center, all game. Drops weren't the issue for him.

Kind of ironic that you would ask how stupid someone is.  Nope, you never did that:


"Edit: Also side note, the Bethard quote is quite a funny one. Lawrence was playing like absolute dog [BLEEP] the entire game, everyone in that thread was blaming the WRs and Bethard came in for all of 4 or so plays and threw 3 absolute dots, one of which would have been a 40+ yard td if Agnew didn't drop it."

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