Regardless if Telvin was out of position or not, I still dont think they should of had 2 LBs on the field when they just got burned for a big gain.  Thats the reason their offense wasnt taking there time because they knew they could just spread them out and hit the D for a big gain.  You dont have to be an NFL coach to see what the defense had on the field.  Even if Telvin was in his assignment the advantage still went to the offense.  Of course you think it was the right play or call as you always do.  You have never questioned anything this franchise or coach has ever done, outside of McCray and Fowler.  You have been blind as a bat in many instances.

 

Go on.  You're rolling.

 

Someone being out of position has nothing to do with the play called being correct/incorrect.  If you're out of position, that's a mental error.  The problem wasn't matchup, it was following assignment (or rather, lack thereof.)

 

The read was wrong.  A poor decision was made on the field.  TWICE.

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Go on.  You're rolling.

 

Someone being out of position has nothing to do with the play called being correct/incorrect.  If you're out of position, that's a mental error.  The problem wasn't matchup, it was following assignment (or rather, lack thereof.)

 

The read was wrong.  A poor decision was made on the field.  TWICE.

So if the offense is on the 1 in a goal line offense and the defense in a nickel defense with 4 down lineman as long as the defense stays in their assignment we are good?

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So if the offense is on the 1 in a goal line offense and the defense in a nickel defense with 4 down lineman as long as the defense stays in their assignment we are good?

The Seahawks lost a super bowl on the 2yard line throwing to person that had a matchup advantage.

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The Seahawks lost a super bowl on the 2yard line throwing to person that had a matchup advantage.

and so we thought, Malcolm Butler is a pretty good player

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The Seahawks lost a super bowl on the 2yard line throwing to person that had a matchup advantage.

I would say the matchup advantage would of been goaline with one of the best rb in the NFL

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and so we thought, Malcolm Butler is a pretty good player

still based on the formation making a pass was the right call.  I was more driving home the point that if the assignment isn't handled correctly it won't work.  Seahawk player did a bad job making the block on the screen pass rest is history.

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I would say the matchup advantage would of been goaline with one of the best rb in the NFL

You would be wrong.  Lynch strugged in goal to go all season, struggled in short yardage as well.  The defense was also heavy at the line stacked for a run, the pass was the right call it just didn't work.

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• Engram at TE and the MJD clone Samaje Perine
  

You would be wrong.  Lynch strugged in goal to go all season, struggled in short yardage as well.  The defense was also heavy at the line stacked for a run, the pass was the right call it just didn't work.

Beastmode just ran over a couple defenders the play right before for about 4 or 5 yards.  He looked good all night and had one of his best seasons of his career.  You are one of the few people in America that thought it was the right call.  On the 1 for a Supber Bowl ring I think he would of even gave a little extra imo

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Beastmode just ran over a couple defenders the play right before for about 4 or 5 yards.  He looked good all night and had one of his best seasons of his career.  You are one of the few people in America that thought it was the right call.  On the 1 for a Supber Bowl ring I think he would of even gave a little extra imo

Schematically it was the right call.  I wouldn't have made it.  If I was going to run I would have spread them out 4 wide and done an option run with Wilson.  But running into a wall of defenders close together would have failed.

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• Engram at TE and the MJD clone Samaje Perine
  

still based on the formation making a pass was the right call.  I was more driving home the point that if the assignment isn't handled correctly it won't work.  Seahawk player did a bad job making the block on the screen pass rest is history.

When you look back on the play they did have a corner on every receiver and Jamie Collins maybe the best coverage LB on the TE man to man .  They werent putting LBs out there covering the WR's.  No doubt it was a risky call and could of worked but Butler made a great play

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Schematically it was the right call.  I wouldn't have made it.  If I was going to run I would have spread them out 4 wide and done an option run with Wilson.  But running into a wall of defenders close together would have failed.

I guess im just a old school footbally guy.  Would of used my bell cow that help get me there.  It was 2nd down and they still have had a time out. 

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Go on. You're rolling.


Someone being out of position has nothing to do with the play called being correct/incorrect. If you're out of position, that's a mental error. The problem wasn't matchup, it was following assignment (or rather, lack thereof.)


The read was wrong. A poor decision was made on the field. TWICE.

Exactly, we may not agree on whose fault it was but in that first frame there was at least one te and one back. Hardly unusual to find two lbs on the field in that scenario.

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To me its on Telvin both times. He is not expecting the underneath coverage to hold up and he is giving up his depth on his zone, and reacting to the underneath coverage(not covering his zone and letting a guy get behind him). This is a prime example of trying to do too much/not trusting your teammates to do their job. 

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Exactly, we may not agree on whose fault it was but in that first frame there was at least one te and one back. Hardly unusual to find two lbs on the field in that scenario.

the whole time we have been discussing the second play and you talking about the first

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the whole time we have been discussing the second play and you talking about the first

That would actually make your point about two lbs further moot considering it was pointed out the Jets ran hurry up on the second play and did not allow adequate time for a sub.


Still waiting on your brilliant play call in dime formation...you know after you burn a timeout in the first quarter.

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So if the offense is on the 1 in a goal line offense and the defense in a nickel defense with 4 down lineman as long as the defense stays in their assignment we are good?

 

That strawman is about as ridiculous as your understanding of the game.

 

It's my mistake for entertaining such nonsense, but even in your ridiculous example that not even a pee wee coach would call... yes, the players would be at fault if they didn't follow assignment regardless of the call.  That's independent of whether or not the coaches made a good call.  That's one of the first things you learn in pee wee.  Know your assignment.  If there's anyone to be "wrong," let the coach/call be wrong.  Have you even played the game?  And I'm not talking back yard or Madden...

 

The vast majority of the time, there are two linebackers on the field, even in passing situations. 

 

The linebackers crashed/shaded/keyed run left (offensive left) and the QB easily made the call at the LOS to stretch beyond Telvin with the pass.

 

Most of the time, such mental errors are because they read one key, while ignoring another that would have them reset.  As Yo Boy said, they fix that in film.  They'll know better next time.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

the whole time we have been discussing the second play and you talking about the first

 

lol... 

 

they. were. the. same. play.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

*crickets*

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Regardless if Telvin was out of position or not, I still dont think they should of had 2 LBs on the field when they just got burned for a big gain. Thats the reason their offense wasnt taking there time because they knew they could just spread them out and hit the D for a big gain. You dont have to be an NFL coach to see what the defense had on the field. Even if Telvin was in his assignment the advantage still went to the offense. Of course you think it was the right play or call as you always do. You have never questioned anything this franchise or coach has ever done, outside of McCray and Fowler. You have been blind as a bat in many instances.

You do know just because a team come out with 5 wr doesnt mean you have to come out with 5 cb especially if you playing zone.. You can stay in your base defense and stay dicipline and get the job done. oh and dont forget the safeties count as well as 3 cb in nickel.. So yes Telvin being the fastest LB we have had every right to be out there... Especially for that play call.

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lol... 

 

they. were. the. same. play.

 

Only difference was the RB was in the backfield on the first play and up on the L.O.S. for the second. Same play - minor variation.

Pretty smart play call and execution. Not-so-smart job of defending it. 

 

 Telvin keyed on the RB both times (and Fitzgerald probably looked him off in that direction too.) 

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