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knarnn · 10-20-2015, 10:33 PM

Quote:We've been really damn bad for about 10 years now. Being "ok" would be a godsend.

The Jags wouldnt have to keep Marrone, and if they did, they would atleast have 9 games they can go off of.

There's a full season they can go off from last year. You're acting like he hasn't coached ever before.

"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Joe · 10-20-2015, 10:37 PM

Quote:There's a full season they can go off from last year. You're acting like he hasn't coached ever before.

So dont give him a chance because he has already coached before?

**Jags02** · 10-20-2015, 10:37 PM

Quote:Oh boy, i actually agree with everything you said EXCEPT, letting Marrone take over. If he is not the answer, like Gus right, don't waste anymore time until we have a decent list of candidates. Everyone we interview should have some type of past success, so lets not jump the gun and end up shooting ourselves in the foot. If he has decent success, who's to say no other HC, playoff team Coordinator, or any "OK" coach couldn't have and then we give him the job. With 4-5 wins as the deal maker and the easiest part of the schedule coming up, wouldn't that be a pointless HC evaluation.

You just said "If he is not the answer," which clearly means you don't know. None of us know. That's why you give him a shot. It's not like he was an utter failiure in Buffalo to where we can just say "no chance." This isn't an endorsement for Marrone, but I'd like to see what he's got.

Consider Khan's rookie year when we got Mularkey, a.k.a. one of the few worst HC's ever in the history of the league... way worse than Gus. Well, if somehow the Jaguars had a chance to look at him for half a season first we would have known to not waste an entire fresh season on him.

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Joe · 10-20-2015, 10:40 PM

Quote:There isn't much to be gained by firing the coach mid season unless you are trying to emulate the move that began the franchises current death spiral.

You really think moving Mel Tucker to interim head coach for 5 games lead to this current death spiral?

knarnn · 10-20-2015, 10:40 PM

Quote:So dont give him a chance because he has already coached before?

Again, what are we gaining by canning Gus early besides momentary satisfaction? If you think Marrone is the guy then more power to you. All I'm saying is Marrone will still be there come January 4th and beyond.

"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

**Jags02** · 10-20-2015, 10:44 PM

Quote:There's a full season they can go off from last year. You're acting like he hasn't coached ever before.

The results from that season are a bit mixed which is why we really still don't know. Under Marrone with EJ as their qb, the Bills finished with their first winning season since 2004. Marrone was let go under new ownership following the death of Ralph Wilson.

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Joe · 10-20-2015, 10:45 PM

Quote:Again, what are we gaining by canning Gus early besides momentary satisfaction? If you think Marrone is the guy then more power to you. All I'm saying is Marrone will still be there come January 4th and beyond.

Possible wins? Further evaluation of Marrone? a chance to not cripple your season ticket sales?

What are we gaining by not firing Gus? In your example, you asked whats the difference betweent 4-12 and 6-10. How big of a difference in draft choice would that be? Pick 4-6 to Pick 6-10?

If Caldwell cant get a good player in pick 6-10, he shouldn't be a GM.

knarnn · 10-20-2015, 10:46 PM

Quote:The results from that season are a bit mixed which is why we really still don't know. Under Marrone with EJ as their qb, the Bills finished with their first winning season since 2004. Marrone was let go under new ownership following the death of Ralph Wilson.

You might want to look that up.

"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

**Jags02** · 10-20-2015, 10:49 PM

Quote:You might want to look that up.

2014 was the Bills first season without Ralph Wilson as owner. The new owners moved on quickly.

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~~NYJags1016~~ · 10-20-2015, 10:52 PM

Quote:Marrone has experience as a head coach already. He has a full season of work from last season you can judge him on if that's what you're looking for.

Lol, different team, different players. This doesn't apply.

knarnn · 10-20-2015, 10:53 PM

Quote:Possible wins? Further evaluation of Marrone? a chance to not cripple your season ticket sales?

What are we gaining by not firing Gus? In your example, you asked whats the difference betweent 4-12 and 6-10? How big of a difference in draft choice would that be? Pick 4 to Pick 6?

How are ticket sales affected by firing Gus at the end of the season? The best evaluation of Marrone is what you saw from him last year where he had full reign of his team from start to finish. If you like what you saw last season then good for you. If a handful of games in a throw away season is more valuable to you then good for you too.

Again, I want the highest pick possible. If I miss out on a potential much needed game changer such as Ramsey or Hargreaves or the potential to trade down and gain a bevy of picks because of an extra meaningless win I will have a real issue with that.

"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

knarnn · 10-20-2015, 10:54 PM

Quote:Lol, different team, different players. This doesn't apply.

So we shouldn't hire Hue Jackson or Todd Haley or Sean Peyton because he's coaching for a different team with different players.

Lol.

"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Kimosabe · 10-20-2015, 10:57 PM

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Whoopty freaking doo.

If you wouldn't be pleased with a 5-5 finish, then I highly suggest you put your Jaguars fandom on hold until next season.

knarnn · 10-20-2015, 10:58 PM

Quote:If you wouldn't be pleased with a 5-5 finish, then I highly suggest you put your Jaguars fandom on hold until next season.

So if Gus finishes 5-5 will you be pleased or does this only apply to Marrone?

"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

SuperJville · 10-20-2015, 10:58 PM

Quote:Now honest question, which is better...firing Gus, hiring Marrone to win a couple meaningless games, risk a change in offensive philosophy and possibly hindering Bortles continued development

I guess that's one negative way of looking at It. What if bortles develops even more under Marrone?

What if we start building a culture where attention to detail is stressed and we have a more disciplined, less penalized team?

What if Marrone or whoever else starts making good halftime adjustments and starts putting our players in positions to succeed?

How come you left that scenario out?

knarnn · 10-20-2015, 11:00 PM

Quote:I guess that's one negative way of looking at It. What if bortles develops even more under Marrone?

What if we start building a culture where attention to detail is stressed and we have a more disciplined, less penalized team?

What if Marrone or whoever else starts making good halftime adjustments and starts putting our players in positions to succeed?

How come you left that scenario out?

Because its not likely. In 75+ years of NFL football, there's only been a couple of interim head coaches who amounted to anything.

"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

**Jags02** · 10-20-2015, 11:00 PM

While we're on the subject, let me be the first to say...

Jim Harbaugh anyone???

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knarnn · 10-20-2015, 11:03 PM

I really hope that all these people who are championing for Marrone realize that this guy barely got a sniff from teams with head coaching vacancies last offseason. There has to be a reason for that.

"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

navyjagfan · 10-20-2015, 11:03 PM

Eh, who really cares at this point. It's only October and the season is over. You know the Jags have 0% chance of making the playoffs and we'll continue to find ways to lose.

The only real reason to watch now is for fantasy - Bortles, Hurns, and A Rob are at least viable fantasy options, which is something we haven't had in a long time.

Whether or not Gus is fired midseason or at the end of the season really doesn't make a difference. We're not going anywhere in any case.

Predator · 10-20-2015, 11:05 PM

Quote:2014 was the Bills first season without Ralph Wilson as owner. The new owners moved on quickly.

Marrone wasn't fired, he quit.

This is what makes the idea of bringing on Morrone as intern so foolish.

He didn't want his last head coaching job. What makes people think he wants to take over this train wreck even in the intern is beyond me.