If you had a top ten grade on Fournette you can't let a 4.5 change it much IMO.


Trust the tape not the combine stuff.


Tons of great players under performed at the combine.

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what do Ivory and Yeldon have in common with these top running backs, SLOW. Keep Ivory and Yeldon and improve the both lines and a qb.

 

All have comparable 40 times to Ivory and Yeldon

 

Lesean McCoy 

Jordan Howard

Ezekiel Elliot

Jay Ajayi 

Leveon Bell

David Johnson

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well it doesn't have to be one or the other.

 

you're supposed to fix the offensive line.  there is no lineman worth taking in the top 5 so why not get a RB?  We will spend in free agency to get a guard (or two) and can use our 2nd round pick on a lineman if he's worth it.  Same thing next year, maybe someone is "worth" taking in the first round.

 

it doesn't have to be a perfect offensive line before you get a RB.

I know it doesn't.

 

But the Jags got a lot of holes.

 

RB is a luxury pick to me in the first round.

It says... we're so good everywhere else on this team that we're going to take a chance that this top 10 RB is going to be closer to AP or Freddy T than T Rich, Enis, DMac, Brown, Benson, Cadillac, Felix Jones....

 

I think a team with a secure QB position (we don't have), and at least solid O-line play (we don't, shaky and sporadic at best) can go RB in round 1...

Which is why we see a lot of teams tend to do it later in round 1 with teams like Nola, GB, recently.

 

Zeke looks to be worth it... but the Boys line is one of the best, maybe ever...

 

Top 5 RBs... man... you better be sure...

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How does how many holes we have matter when it comes to taking a RB?  No GM would ever say, "Well this guy is going to be special, and potential to be a HoF RB, but our O-line isn't perfect so I'm going to pass."  

 

Free agency hasn't even happened yet and neither has the draft, so it's not like we're going into the season with this roster.

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How does how many holes we have matter when it comes to taking a RB?  No GM would ever say, "Well this guy is going to be special, and potential to be a HoF RB, but our O-line isn't perfect so I'm going to pass."  

 

Free agency hasn't even happened yet and neither has the draft, so it's not like we're going into the season with this roster.

wow... reading comp much?

 

If you can see the future and KNOW the guy you're taking is a "future HOF RB" take him... take him 1st overall....

 

but we have a lot of holes... and neither of the top 2 RBs of this class scream "special future HOF"

 

When the Jags are as bad at rushing the passer and pushing dlines to make lanes for RBs... they need to use premium picks on premium talent.

We can "get by" one or two seasons with Ivory, or some 3rd or 4th round RB...

 

We are not in the position to waste a 4th overall on a RB with injury concerns and no O-line to block for him....

but like I said.. if you know LF is the next AP... take him. I'm all for it.

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Whether he's a future HoFer or just an elite collegiate RB with high potential, the point is passing on someone like that because of how our O-line looks right now doesn't make any sense.  If Fournette or Cook is our highest-rated player by far but our O-line still looks iffy, you still take him.  We can still draft offensive lineman in the draft to improve our O-line and when we do have a strong unit (whether it's that year or the next), we'll have an awesome RB behind it.  And it's not like RBs have to have elite offensive lines (or even top 10 lines) to be effective and help the offense.

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Whether he's a future HoFer or just an elite collegiate RB with high potential, the point is passing on someone like that because of how our O-line looks right now doesn't make any sense.  If Fournette or Cook is our highest-rated player by far but our O-line still looks iffy, you still take him.  We can still draft offensive lineman in the draft to improve our O-line and when we do have a strong unit (whether it's that year or the next), we'll have an awesome RB behind it.  And it's not like RBs have to have elite offensive lines (or even top 10 lines) to be effective and help the offense.

I think there's a LF every year...

 

and if you're passing on Jon Allen, or a top tier CB.. I think you're wasting the pick.

 

We've seen every year that the star RBs are more often than not... from mid rounds.

Some even UDFAs...

 

I can list on one hand the number of first round rbs worth their draft position. And I could likely list double equally successful RBs chosen rounds 3+

 

You value the position (oh possibly have a certain player you're gah gah over) more than I do.

 

When drafting, I think of RB last. Especially when our QB isn't great. Our O-line isn't great. Our D isn't great (especially pass rush) Our TEs aren't even good....

It isn't about the RB to me... it's about the players you're passing at 4 to get someone who has an equal somewhere in the mid rounds if you can find him.

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FWIW, Allen may have some medical red-flags, so not sure he's the best example.

 

And also, I'm not saying Fournette or bust for our first pick.  If we don't sign a SS, Adams may be my #1 want, but I'd be good with Thomas and maybe even Lattimore also.

 

I don't think it's that easy to find a RB.  Yes, you can find good RBs later on in the draft, but if that's the case why haven't we had a good one since MJD left?  It's not like we haven't drafted any or signed any UDFA.  And unless you can predict where Mixon will fall, I don't see how any of the mid-round guys are equal to LF or Cook.

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I could easily see 3 of these 4 DL, DB, OL, TE in the first 3 rounds. RB in the 4th.

 

I'd go with:

 

Kareem Hunt

Brian Hill

Marlon Mack

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You are some kind of stupid if you think any GM is seriously going to change his mind on a running back based on the most irrelevant skill for the position.

What skill is most irrelevant? The jumps are very important for every position. Explosiveness is kinda important for an RB...especially one with a bad oline. 

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FWIW, Allen may have some medical red-flags, so not sure he's the best example.


And also, I'm not saying Fournette or bust for our first pick. If we don't sign a SS, Adams may be my #1 want, but I'd be good with Thomas and maybe even Lattimore also.


I don't think it's that easy to find a RB. Yes, you can find good RBs later on in the draft, but if that's the case why haven't we had a good one since MJD left? It's not like we haven't drafted any or signed any UDFA. And unless you can predict where Mixon will fall, I don't see how any of the mid-round guys are equal to LF or Cook.

Because weve been terrible at drafting since he left

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Because weve been terrible at drafting since he left

 

We have had a terrible O-line since before he left. 

 

Forsett looked like an aging-journeyman nobody-behind our patchwork line but went to Baltimore and ripped 1266 yards. 

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We have had a terrible O-line since before he left. 

 

Forsett looked like an aging-journeyman nobody-behind our patchwork line but went to Baltimore and ripped 1266 yards. 

Forsett got 6 carries (for a very impressive 5.2 yards at least) with us that whole season...

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Forsett got 6 carries (for a very impressive 5.2 yards at least) with us that whole season...

He was hurt early on, but I'm talking about preseason performance.  No one batted an eye after he was released (injured) because when healthy he couldn't get anything going here. It's not like folks here didn't have some evaluation on him in his brief time on the roster. 

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I'm not defending it, but I'm also not using a sample size of 6 carries over 9 games, with a studly YPC no less, to try to bash it. 

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We have had a terrible O-line since before he left.


Forsett looked like an aging-journeyman nobody-behind our patchwork line but went to Baltimore and ripped 1266 yards.

which goes back to terrible drafting


and kubiaks scheme + line helped forsett

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I'm not defending it, but I'm also not using a sample size of 6 carries over 9 games, with a studly YPC no less, to try to bash it. 

 

Yeah, I'm starting to think it wasn't Forsett nearly as much as it was how he was used (or rather, not used.)

 

Interesting some would point to the coaching staff, instead of Myles Jack, when it was pretty much a similar situation.

 

If you don't see snaps, you don't produce (or at least show what you can/cannot produce.)

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Pass Rush in the 1st

O-line in the 2nd

RB in the 3rd


If we can't sign bouye from Houston take CB in the 3rd and RB in the 4th

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Pass Rush in the 1st

O-line in the 2nd

RB in the 3rd


If we can't sign bouye from Houston take CB in the 3rd and RB in the 4th

 

 

We simply need Fowler and Yannick to seriously show up this year. We don't need another DE.


 

Barring someone falling where the value changes the plan, I'm generally thinking...


 

S in R1


OL in R2


RB in R3


TE in R4


CB in R5

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We simply need Fowler and Yannick to seriously show up this year. We don't need another DE.


Barring someone falling where the value changes the plan, I'm generally thinking...


S in R1

OL in R2

RB in R3

TE in R4

CB in R5

Our pass rush is currently , Malik (very good) , Yannick (Good as rookie, can he continue it? And Fowler( No idea what he develops into)


That's not enough in today's NFL. We need at least two veteran pass rushers IMO, and a Dline addition via the draft would be nice too.

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