Miami is an important game.


Beating Miami can give the team and fans hope that they can turn things around.


Failing to beat Miami, while tough, would not be entirely unexpected.


Failing to beat Tampa, however, after losing the first four, THAT would virtually mean there is no hope for this team to be anything other than a complete bottom feeder....again.

Interesting scenario. If we start 0-4 which is highly likely, is Gus done if we lose to Tampa? I wouldn't be against it. Obviously playoffs should be the expectation in year 4 of Bradwell, but they need to give us signs they can push for season 4 playoffs now. Starting 0-5, there's zero percent chance we reach playoffs in season 4

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Life's tough.  Marrone isn't an upgrade.  He's got his fingerprints all over the offense already.  You're whining that this is all Gus' fault.  Marrone is in on the offensive play calling.   

The funny thing about this is that I'm pretty confident you said in the offseason that this was Olson's offense and that Marrone was just there to be an O-line coach, nothing more. So which is it? Does Marrone have a lot of influence in playcalling or not?

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Source?

 

It's funny, early in the offseason I wondered about the extent of Marrone's influence in the offense.  I remember posting an article from Buffalo talking about how his play calling hurt the developing QBs in Buffalo.  Just about everyone on this board assured me he was just the OL coach and would have no influence on the playcalling, except to the extent the OL is performing.

 

Now, after training camp, the preseason, and one regular season game, he is in on the playcalling?!?

 

Assistant head coach, offense, and the OL coach, and you don't think he's got any input into the game plans?  Really?

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Boy, you really got me there.  You're the one telling us what's going on.  I question YOU, and you try to turn it around on me because I questioned you?  You're a clever one.

 

When Marrone was hired, it was made clear that he was going to have a hand in developing the offensive game plans.  I didn't need to be in the locker room.

 

that's not what he was doing

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The funny thing about this is that I'm pretty confident you said in the offseason that this was Olson's offense and that Marrone was just there to be an O-line coach, nothing more. So which is it? Does Marrone have a lot of influence in playcalling or not?

 

Go back and find that quote for me.

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Assistant head coach, offense, and the OL coach, and you don't think he's got any input into the game plans?  Really?

Go back to my question.  When I posted something negative about his influence on the Bills QBs, I was assured by many, including you, that he wouldn't influence the play calling.

 

Now when you are trying to quell the unrest, to keep from making Bradley the sole scapegoat, you spread around the blame to Marrone?

 

Edit:  This is the thread in question, dated Mid July.

 

It was a short thread.

 

http://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/top...g-from-me/

 

Your specific post is here:

 

http://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/top.../?p=507181

 

What changed between now and then?

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I'm pretty numb to it right now. This is probably the most disappointed I have been as a fan. Really hope this starts to turn around real fast. The franchise has been an embarrassment on offense for way to long

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When you lower expectations soooooooo far that people are willing to wait 4 years for a competitive product, that's how you create a losing mentality. People aren't getting that.

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I'm still hoping Gus can pull it together but it the season ends like it's starting I want David gone with him at the end of the year.

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Go back to my question.  When I posted something negative about his influence on the Bills QBs, I was assured by many, including you, that he wouldn't influence the play calling.

 

Now when you are trying to quell the unrest, to keep from making Bradley the sole scapegoat, you spread around the blame to Marrone?

 

If I recall correctly, my point was that he wasn't going to be involved in developing the QB.  I'm pretty confident that Olson isn't sitting in a room by himself developing a playbook.  He's getting input from Marrone and Hacket at a minimum in developing the book.  How else is he expected to build a playbook that caters to the strengths of the players running it if he's not working with the position coaches.  Marrone was brought in as the assistant head coach specifically over offense.  He was hired before a new coordinator was even on the payroll. 

 

I'm not blaming anyone at this point.  We're one week into the season.  The offense looked a lot different in the preseason than what we were subjected to last year.  It stands to reason that yesterday was an anomaly and not the standard for this season.

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Mack and Amari

Teddy

My jaw dropped when they announced Bortles as the pick. DFJ in that ridiculous outfit, "hope we don't draft this guy", tears his ACL. Trust your gut. Caldwell has Gene Smith Syndrome, thinks he's outsmarting the League

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Guys, this is a dumpster fire.

 

Help is not on the way.  Although I think Gus and his staff work hard and believe in what they preach/teach, they have no way of knowing that they will succeed in their approach.  Gus hasn't been a HC before.  Maybe this is the only way he knows how to coach/motivate and that's just not good enough?

 

Let me be clear:  I don't want him fired today.   But if we go 0-4 or god forbid 0-5, I think it's time to cut him loose.  If for no other reason than to show the current players and the current coaching staff that the status quo is not good enough and will not be tolerated any longer

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When you lower expectations soooooooo far that people are willing to wait 4 years for a competitive product, that's how you create a losing mentality. People aren't getting that.

The expectations are that the team has to turn a corner this year.  If it doesn't, there won't be a year 4.   That is what you aren't getting.

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The expectations are that the team has to turn a corner this year.  If it doesn't, there won't be a year 4.   That is what you aren't getting.

I get it, I'm just not willing to wait through year 3 if it continues like this. You can't, can't justify keeping the coach after 3 straight years of 0 and 4. You just can't.

 

They're asking for waaaaaaay too much patience, and the fans shouldn't be asked to tolerate that, I'm sorry.

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Teddy

My jaw dropped when they announced Bortles as the pick. DFJ in that ridiculous outfit, "hope we don't draft this guy", tears his ACL. Trust your gut. Caldwell has Gene Smith Syndrome, thinks he's outsmarting the League

We used to disagree about Gene smith all the time on Caldwell we agree

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motion to start calling the day after pressers the Monday DePressers

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I get it, I'm just not willing to wait through year 3 if it continues like this. You can't, can't justify keeping the coach after 3 straight years of 0 and 4. You just can't.

 

They're asking for waaaaaaay too much patience, and the fans shouldn't be asked to tolerate that, I'm sorry.

Oh well.  I guess you'll have to find another team to root for then because nothing is going to be changing any time soon. 

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Mack and Amari

Teddy

My jaw dropped when they announced Bortles as the pick. DFJ in that ridiculous outfit, "hope we don't draft this guy", tears his ACL. Trust your gut. Caldwell has Gene Smith Syndrome, thinks he's outsmarting the League

How do you propose we'd have drafted Mack and Teddy both?


I mean I was a big Teddy fan.  I wanted him badly.  But we'd had to have traded back into the 1st to get him.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

We used to disagree about Gene smith all the time on Caldwell we agree

 

There's something to be said for the eye test, and I don't think Caldwell is using the right test. He looked at Bortles and saw a 6-5 240 lb quarterback with a decent arm. What he overlooked is that the guy doesn't throw a good pass consistently, he never did in college. His touch throws aren't good at all. Contrast that with Teddy who is smaller, but throws a consistently accurate, pretty ball.

 

He doesn't seem to understand how to balance intangibles and production.

 

People want to compare Bortles to Roethlisberger. Bortles doesn't have Roethlisberger's arm, he doesn't have his accuracy. It's not close. The only quality they share is that they're big and hard to bring down.

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