There's a point im trying to make and apparently it's escaped you. I know no one said its ok, but with a lot of the comments here it's as if women COULD do that and men should just sit and take it.

 

Yes. He should have walked away. I don't know about you but if that was me, I would not have punched her.

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You won't get through to the "you NEVER hit a woman" crew, though.

 

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Yes. He should have walked away. I don't know about you but if that was me, I would not have punched her.

I said that I wouldn't. But I won't condemn a guy who decides to defend himself. I wouldn't have condemned Hope Solo's brother if he decided to defend himself.

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You hit the nail on the head here. You won't get through to the "you NEVER hit a woman" crew, though. The people that don't believe women are capable of causing significant harm are as stubborn as they are ignorant. Would I ever hit a woman? Not unless my life or health was significantly threatened, but you're dang right I'm going to defend myself if that's the case.

You're taking a situation that would be extremely rare in the grand scheme of things. Keep using this huge outlier of an example to defend your right to slug a woman though. Terrible.

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There's a point im trying to make and apparently it's escaped you. I know no one said its ok, but with a lot of the comments here it's as if women COULD do that and men should just sit and take it.

 

I realize some guys are going to react and hit a woman, but there are not many women out there that could punch me as hard as they can and it would affect me...at all.

 

If I return a punch and hit a woman in the face, I'm going to do some serious damage.  What people are saying is that the best thing for a guy to do in the case where a woman hits him is to walk away.  Call the cops, tell security, whatever you want to do....if he would have done that, she would be in jail and he wouldn't be facing charges. 

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I said that I wouldn't. But I won't condemn a guy who decides to defend himself. I wouldn't have condemned Hope Solo's brother if he decided to defend himself.

 

Edit:  Not worth it.

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You're taking a situation that would be extremely rare in the grand scheme of things. Keep using this huge outlier of an example to defend your right to slug a woman though. Terrible.

 

I'm using an outlier to show how extreme the "never hit a woman" crew take things. If people can't even admit that there are instances where hitting a woman (ie. when serious injury or death is possible) is acceptable, then they are too ignorant for me to take serious.

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And his life or health was in NO way threatened.   That is the point.  There was no reason for him to hit her, certainly not with the amount of force he used.

I wonder if the people defending this guy are the same idiots who think rape victims who happened to be wearing short skirts or revealing clothes "asked for it"?  

 

Wow. Disgusting and completely unrelated.

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I'm using an outlier to show how extreme the "never hit a woman" crew take things. If people can't even admit that there are instances where hitting a woman (ie. when serious injury or death is possible) is acceptable, then they are too ignorant for me to take serious.

The "Never hit a women" crew aren't taking things to the extreme. I would venture to guess 95%, probably higher, of the time there is no need for a man to resort to violence and hit a woman. It's you using something that is very rare to try and prove a point. No one on here has ever suggested defending yourself if your life is in danger. 

 

Johnson was wrong in this situation, period. There was no reason to cold bash her face like that.

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So women should be allowed going around punching men?? Its funny, I'm hearing more women defend Johnson then I am men. One of my friends (who is a woman) went as far as to say that this notion that a man can't hit a women in a circumstance like this is more of a downgrade to their gender then anything. It tells them that yes you have equality, but you're still a weaker species. Society is telling women that they have no control over their emotions, but we expect more from men.


I don't believe I would have responded in the same way Johnson did, but I'm not going to sit here and point a finger at anyone for practicing self defense. Who cares if she wouldn't have done as much damage as he would, no one wants to get punched in the face.

If a woman presents a clear and present danger to my life, you bet I'll take any actions necessary to defend myself, including cold-cocking her into the next century. Short of that, no, I'm not going to lay a finger on a woman. I'd sooner walk away and, if necessary, call the cops. For one, I believe that it's inherently wrong for a man to hit a woman unless the circumstances are extreme. Two, society (and particularly the police) have it ingrained in their heads that if a woman was touched, the man is at fault. I mentioned earlier that if the woman wails on the man and the man walks away, the man might get out of a trip to the county jail when the cops show up. If there's a single mark on the woman, regardless of how beat up the man is, the man will go to jail and the woman will almost always walk away, as she was "defending herself".

 

Johnson was not in danger of his life. There was a woman slapping him at a bar. There was no reason for him to react the way he did. Compounding the matter for him is that he is an athlete in great physical condition. Based upon the video, the woman couldn't have done much more than give him a red mark that would go away in a few minutes. Johnson, on the other hand, had the ability to cause serious injury to her, and fair or not, that will be held against him.

 

I'm not going to say that Johnson wasn't provoked, because that woman was certainly annoying the living snap out of him, and I'll be the first to admit that there have been times that I've wanted to throw a haymaker at someone who was annoying me to death. There's a difference between wanting to and actually doing it, though, and even if chivalry is removed from the picture completely, a male athlete--particularly a football player--is not going to win in the court of public opinion or a court of law if he punches a woman who was, at most, a serious annoyance to him.

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The "Never hit a women" crew aren't taking things to the extreme. I would venture to guess 95%, probably higher, of the time there is no need for a man to resort to violence and hit a woman. It's you using something that is very rare to try and prove a point. No one on here has ever suggested defending yourself if your life is in danger. 

 

Johnson was wrong in this situation, period. There was no reason to cold bash her face like that.

 

Thank you for agreeing with me. If 5% (or whatever number you go with higher than 0) of cases require a man to resort to violence, then the word "never" should be thrown out the door. You are aware of that word's definition, right?

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Thank you for agreeing with me. If 5% (or whatever number you go with higher than 0) of cases require a man to resort to violence, then the word "never" should be thrown out the door. You are aware of that word's definition, right?

I've never used the word never, nor have I disagreed with you. It's just that every time this situation comes up you always spout of about the extreme and it's just ridiculous.

 

I will also point out, EVERY time this has been brought up on the message boards, none of the situations required a man to defend his life. 

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I've never used the word never, nor have I disagreed with you. It's just that every time this situation comes up you always spout of about the extreme and it's just ridiculous.

 

I will also point out, EVERY time this has been brought up on the message boards, none of the situations required a man to defend his life. 

 

Um, my first post in this thread was:

"You won't get through to the "you NEVER hit a woman" crew, though. The people that don't believe women are capable of causing significant harm are as stubborn as they are ignorant. Would I ever hit a woman? Not unless my life or health was significantly threatened, but you're dang right I'm going to defend myself if that's the case."

 

In other words, if you haven't used the word "never", then I wasn't referring to you. And if you agree than in cases of life or health being significantly threatened, defending with force against force is appropriate, then we shouldn't have an issue.

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Um, my first post in this thread was:

"You won't get through to the "you NEVER hit a woman" crew, though. The people that don't believe women are capable of causing significant harm are as stubborn as they are ignorant. Would I ever hit a woman? Not unless my life or health was significantly threatened, but you're dang right I'm going to defend myself if that's the case."

 

In other words, if you haven't used the word "never", then I wasn't referring to you. And if you agree than in cases of life or health being significantly threatened, defending with force against force is appropriate, then we shouldn't have an issue.

You replied to my post using the never diatribe, that is why I responded. Stay with me here. Keep fighting the good fight, even if it occurs as much as Haley's comet does.

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Wow. Disgusting and completely unrelated.

It was meant to be disgusting... as were Deandre's actions.

 

There is no defense for Deandre Johnson hitting a woman in that situation.  None.   He was in ZERO danger of his life or health being "significantly threatened".    If one condones and defends his actions in this case, it makes me wonder what else that individual would condone.     

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You replied to my post using the never diatribe, that is why I responded. Stay with me here. Keep fighting the good fight, even if it occurs as much as Haley's comet does.

 

That's not how it went. My initial post in this thread had nothing to do with you. You responded to it and I replied restating my stance in the initial post.

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That's not how it went. My initial post in this thread had nothing to do with you. You responded to it and I replied restating my stance in the initial post.

You do realize this is a message board correct? Any member can reply to a post. I was simply pointing out you jump straight to the extreme EVERY time regarding this situation and you look a tad bit foolish in doing so.

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Dude's a straight up [BLEEP] and anyone defending him is a [BLEEP].

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You do realize this is a message board correct? Any member can reply to a post. I was simply pointing out you jump straight to the extreme EVERY time regarding this situation and you look a tad bit foolish in doing so.

 

All I was doing was pointing out that the people saying "NEVER hit a woman" were ignorant because there are instances where it may be appropriate and/or necessary. You responded to that and I simply restated that point. Now you apparently agree that the word "NEVER" is silly to use.

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Dude's a straight up [BAD WORD REMOVED] and anyone defending him is a [BAD WORD REMOVED].

 

I've gotten a warning for name calling. Let's see if the mods hold you to the same standards.

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