"We make our own future in the way we react and handle each situation good or bad. In the end we all get what we deserve."


Who is we ALL? Where do you draw the line between unfornunate events that ARE deserved and unfornunate events the AREN'T deserved? I know you're just a oil changer, but please at least attempt to make sense when you explain this.

I've clarified it a couple of times in this thread. I've said that was a response to the thought of predestination and fate. You can keep taking shots at my career in automotive but it doesn't really bother me, I have a trade I work hard and make an honest living for some reason the fact that I work in automotive disqualifies my opinions, guess only medical professionals are capable of such deep thought. What you are is an elitist that has a problem with any opposing thought it's rather pathetic.


This will be the last time I bother to clarify on the post your can't get seem to grasp.


Bad things happen to good people all the time. Sometimes it's because they've made a choice, sometimes it's the result of someone else's poor choice, and sometimes it's just nature taking it's course. But none of that qualifies as destiny or fate, now continue on your elitist rant I'm finished responding to you on the matter. Hopefully whatever mechanic you do use gets a little more respect from you as he or she is certainly doing a job beyond your stature.

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I've clarified it a couple of times in this thread. I've said that was a response to the thought of predestination and fate. You can keep taking shots at my career in automotive but it doesn't really bother me, I have a trade I work hard and make an honest living for some reason the fact that I work in automotive disqualifies my opinions, guess only medical professionals are capable of such deep thought. What you are is an elitist that has a problem with any opposing thought it's rather pathetic.


This will be the last time I bother to clarify on the post your can't get seem to grasp.


Bad things happen to good people all the time. Sometimes it's because they've made a choice, sometimes it's the result of someone else's poor choice, and sometimes it's just nature taking it's course. But none of that qualifies as destiny or fate, now continue on your elitist rant I'm finished responding to you on the matter. Hopefully whatever mechanic you do use gets a little more respect from you as he or she is certainly doing a job beyond your stature.

 

You, once again, failed to clarify anything.

 

"Bad things happen to good people all the time. Sometimes it's because they've made a choice, sometimes it's the result of someone else's poor choice, and sometimes it's just nature taking it's course."

 

How do good people deserve bad things happening to them as the result of someone elses poor choice or nature taking it's course? You said that we ALL get what we deserve. Why do good people deserve bad things?

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Typical Eric. Gets caught making a ridiculous statement like "we all get what we deserve" and then cries about it once he is called out. Take your ball and go home.

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Typical Eric. Gets caught making a ridiculous statement like "we all get what we deserve" and then cries about it once he is called out. Take your ball and go home.

And I told flsprt I should've have worded it differently but you must have missed that post or the half dozen I've clarified my view on destiny. But hey it's personal with you I get it, for some reason my views threaten you so you lash out. Hopefully one day your able to digest opposing views without it personally effecting you.


Now I've got to head into work that oil ain't changing itself!

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Machiavelli had it right.

 

We are all evil and when given the chance, will do evil things. 

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And I told flsprt I should've have worded it differently but you must have missed that post or the half dozen I've clarified my view on destiny. But hey it's personal with you I get it, for some reason my views threaten you so you lash out. Hopefully one day your able to digest opposing views without it personally effecting you.


Now I've got to head into work that oil ain't changing itself!

 

So you admit that you worded it poorly and then pretend like I was the one misunderstanding your view? lol.......

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Machiavelli had it right.

 

We are all evil and when given the chance, will do evil things. 

 

Yeah, but who says that's a bad thing?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Bad things happen to good people all the time. Sometimes it's because they've made a choice, sometimes it's the result of someone else's poor choice, and sometimes it's just nature taking it's course. But none of that qualifies as destiny or fate...

 

Answer this, please. 

 

Can you provide an example of anything that happens that is not caused by something else?  

 

If not, then it follows that even your decisions are caused by something else.  One thing causes another, which causes another.  This means that what you think if as "free will" is an illusion.   We all have a destiny, and there's nothing we can do about it.  

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Answer this, please.


Can you provide an example of anything that happens that is not caused by something else?


If not, then it follows that even your decisions are caused by something else. One thing causes another, which causes another. This means that what you think if as "free will" is an illusion. We all have a destiny, and there's nothing we can do about it.

Everything that happens to you in life is a result of your birth, something you had no control or input over.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Everything that happens to you in life is a result of your birth, something you had no control or input over.

Being born isn't the same thing as destiny in the context most people take it.

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Answer this, please.


Can you provide an example of anything that happens that is not caused by something else?


If not, then it follows that even your decisions are caused by something else. One thing causes another, which causes another. This means that what you think if as "free will" is an illusion. We all have a destiny, and there's nothing we can do about it.

Choice is the proof against destiny not the cornerstone for it. Because I can choose to either go to work or not go to work is evidence that me having a job today isn't dependent on destiny.


Some situations are beyond our control the weather for example but that's not destiny that's nature. Where we end up in life is mostly effected by choices made not some predetermined road map. I reject the idea were just along for the ride.

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Choice is the proof against destiny not the cornerstone for it. Because I can choose to either go to work or not go to work is evidence that me having a job today isn't dependent on destiny.


Some situations are beyond our control the weather for example but that's not destiny that's nature. Where we end up in life is mostly effected by choices made not some predetermined road map. I reject the idea were just along for the ride.

Hardly. Whether or not you go to work today fulfills your destiny. You just think you're choosing, your destiny already chose.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

"We make our own future in the way we react and handle each situation good or bad. In the end we all get what we deserve."

 

Who is we ALL? Where do you draw the line between unfornunate events that ARE deserved and unfornunate events the AREN'T deserved? I know you're just a oil changer
, but please at least attempt to make sense when you explain this.

 

"Just an oil changer".  Really?

 

Please tell us what your occupation is.  No wait... let me guess, you must be a philosopher.

 

I happen to for the most part agree with Eric regarding this topic.  I'm not "just an oil changer".

 

At the risk of turning this political and having it moved to the political forum, I will say this.  It's a common tactic by those on one side of the political spectrum to try and discredit someone that they oppose, usually starting subtly as is the case with your above quoted comment.

 

The "hidden message" is that Eric can't express his thoughts in a Philosophy thread because he is "just an oil changer".

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

"Just an oil changer".  Really?

 

Please tell us what your occupation is.  No wait... let me guess, you must be a philosopher.

 

I happen to for the most part agree with Eric regarding this topic.  I'm not "just an oil changer".

 

At the risk of turning this political and having it moved to the political forum, I will say this.  It's a common tactic by those on one side of the political spectrum to try and discredit someone that they oppose, usually starting subtly as is the case with your above quoted comment.

 

The "hidden message" is that Eric can't express his thoughts in a Philosophy thread because he is "just an oil changer".

It's wasn't that hidden and it's a bunch of Mike Mularkey.


Discrediting someone based on their career or education level - Señor dice no bueno.

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Hardly. Whether or not you go to work today fulfills your destiny. You just think you're choosing, your destiny already chose.

Ugh i guess neither of us can prove the other wrong. I have a job because I chose to go to work that's my line of thought not because destiny predetermined I was going to work. If that's the case why do we even try to better ourselves it's all set in stone who wins and who loses.

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It's wasn't that hidden and it's a bunch of Mike Mularkey.


Discrediting someone based on their career or education level - Señor dice no bueno.

+1 for the Mularkey reference lol

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I picked the wrong time to vape before reading this board. I think my head just emulated Eric's signature gif.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Choice is the proof against destiny not the cornerstone for it. Because I can choose to either go to work or not go to work is evidence that me having a job today isn't dependent on destiny.


Some situations are beyond our control the weather for example but that's not destiny that's nature. Where we end up in life is mostly effected by choices made not some predetermined road map. I reject the idea were just along for the ride.

 

But there is a reason for the choices you make.   It may be your prior experience, or knowledge of the situation, or even your genetics and  upbringing, books you're read, people you talked to.  Choices are not spontaneous and random.  They all result from previous events.  

 

If you get up in the morning and decide to go  to work, there is a  reason for that decision.   You go to work because...?  And if you can answer that question, then there is a reason for going to work.   If there is a reason behind that choice, then it is not free will that drives that action; it was caused by prior events.  It is destiny.  You were always going to go to work.  Since the beginning of time, you were destined  to go to work, because every event is caused by prior events. 

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Ugh i guess neither of us can prove the other wrong. I have a job because I chose to go to work that's my line of thought not because destiny predetermined I was going to work. If that's the case why do we even try to better ourselves it's all set in stone who wins and who loses.

 

It is also set in stone that we will try to better ourselves.   Because...?   And if you can answer that "because" then there is a reason for it, and if there is a reason for it, then it is not free will that drives it.  It is destiny.  It is driven by prior events: your birth, your upbringing, your experiences, etc, all physical events  that happened in the past that caused your decision to better yourself. 

 

I know it's hard to accept this concept that all our actions are predetermined.   We all want to think we have freedom of action.   But in reality, there is a reason for everything we do.   And if there is a reason for everything we do, then all our actions are determined by prior events.  And if every action is determined by prior events, then we can trace all our actions back to the big bang, and that is when all our actions, what we think of as our exercising of free will, was set into motion, and everything that happened from then on was predetermined and figuratively, set in stone. 

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It is also set in stone that we will try to better ourselves. Because...? And if you can answer that "because" then there is a reason for it, and if there is a reason for it, then it is not free will that drives it. It is destiny. It is driven by prior events: your birth, your upbringing, your experiences, etc, all physical events that happened in the past that caused your decision to better yourself.


I know it's hard to accept this concept that all our actions are predetermined. We all want to think we have freedom of action. But in reality, there is a reason for everything we do. And if there is a reason for everything we do, then all our actions are determined by prior events. And if every action is determined by prior events, then we can trace all our actions back to the big bang, and that is when all our actions, what we think of as our exercising of free will, was set into motion, and everything that happened from then on was predetermined and figuratively, set in stone.

Couldn't disagree more! Make a decision based on previous events is just the further exploration of free will. You asked why do I go to work, the answer is pay for purchases I have made or will make In the future. Those purchases where not predetermined. Where I go for lunch today is not set in stone. To me that is such a depressing way to view life, you'll only achieve what destiny had already laid out for you? I see no limits on life or what we can do besides what we limit ourselves to. Destiny is saying it's all in someone or something else's hands, religion leans on that assumption a lot as well and I reject that assumption in both cases. We are the masters of our fate good or bad no one or anything else will have a bigger impact on your fate then the reflection staring at you in the mirror.

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