More like the MSM will shill fake news at incredible rates about how millions of Americans are dying on the streets and Republicans are evil granny killers. Aside from Trump, most Republicans still care about how they are presented by the MSM (despite its weakening after the election).

 

Repealing it isn't enough, though. Going back to the old solution, though it being better, still sucks. Cross-state competition is key to making this work. Allow cross-state competition, catastrophic plans, and include a requirement by law to accept pre-existing conditions, and we may, MAY, have a solution that works.

 

People claim that requiring pre-existing coverage makes it impossible for an optional free market solution to work, but I disagree. We don't know what it is like to have cross-state competition with modern health insurance. I am confident businesses will be able to innovate a solution when they compete nationally.

 

Along with this, expand health care savings accounts.  Health insurance shouldn't pay for a "routine checkup" just like your car insurance doesn't pay for an oil change.  Give people an incentive to save and take care of themselves rather than have the government do it.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Private sector/profit makes goods and services better and cheaper through competition.


As long as gross over-regulation doesn't prevent competition and natural market forces from achieving those things.


Regulation and government intervention is the problem in healthcare today.

Sure, in an ideal world with many insurance providers and medical providers. The previous system proves otherwise. It doesn't work. Even when government intervention and regulation are limited. Healthcare was a mess under Republican rule. Nothing has changed. The same Swamp monsters never cared to reform or push leglislation to fix healthcare.

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Sure, in an ideal world with many providers and medical providers. The previous system proves otherwise. It doesn't work. Even when government intervention and regulation are limited. Healthcare was a mess under Republican rule. Nothing has changed. The same Swamp monsters never cared to reform or push leglislation to fix healthcare.

 

Previous system was better than what we have.  If you can't be honest about that, then your loyalty is to politics and not healthcare and being honest.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Sure, in an ideal world with many insurance providers and medical providers. The previous system proves otherwise. It doesn't work. Even when government intervention and regulation are limited. Healthcare was a mess under Republican rule. Nothing has changed. The same Swamp monsters never cared to reform or push leglislation to fix healthcare.

 

The previous system wasn't a free market system.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The previous system wasn't a free market system.

 

Yep.  And once again, because of government regulations and restrictions.

 

Politics obstructing free markets.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Yep. And once again, because of government regulations and restrictions.


Politics obstructing free markets.

Free markets don't work in healthcare.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1405396'>http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1405396</a>

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/06/08/17460/free-market-ideology-doesnt-work-health-care'>https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/06/08/17460/free-market-ideology-doesnt-work-health-care</a>

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/02/04/free-market-rules-dont-work-in-delivering-health-care/?client=safari'>https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/02/04/free-market-rules-dont-work-in-delivering-health-care/?client=safari</a>


They are a myth.


One of the other reasons we tolerate unreasonably high health care costs is gullibility’s close and symbiotic relative: blind adherence to ideology. By this I mean the belief that the free market — the invisible hand Adam Smith wrote about more than two centuries ago and that many Americans hold as a nonnegotiable tenet of faith — can work as well in health care as it can in other sectors of the economy.


While the free market is alive and well in the world’s other developed countries, leaders in every one of them, including conservatives, decided years ago that health care is different, that letting the unfettered invisible hand work its magic in health care not only doesn’t create the unintended social benefits Smith wrote about, it all too often creates unintended, seemingly intractable, social problems.

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Consumers aren't free to not buy healthcare as the consequences are severe.


You can't have a free Market in health it is pretty simple.

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Rand Paul had a nice demonstration on why he didn't vote for the repeal.

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• Lattimore please,  Lockdowns on both sides would be nice
  
• Engram at TE and the MJD clone Samaje Perine
  

Free markets don't work in healthcare.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1405396'>http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1405396</a>

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/06/08/17460/free-market-ideology-doesnt-work-health-care'>https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/06/08/17460/free-market-ideology-doesnt-work-health-care</a>

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/02/04/free-market-rules-dont-work-in-delivering-health-care/?client=safari'>https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/02/04/free-market-rules-dont-work-in-delivering-health-care/?client=safari</a>


They are a myth.


One of the other reasons we tolerate unreasonably high health care costs is gullibility’s close and symbiotic relative: blind adherence to ideology. By this I mean the belief that the free market — the invisible hand Adam Smith wrote about more than two centuries ago and that many Americans hold as a nonnegotiable tenet of faith — can work as well in health care as it can in other sectors of the economy.


While the free market is alive and well in the world’s other developed countries, leaders in every one of them, including conservatives, decided years ago that health care is different, that letting the unfettered invisible hand work its magic in health care not only doesn’t create the unintended social benefits Smith wrote about, it all too often creates unintended, seemingly intractable, social problems.

 

Those all discuss health insurance, not health care.


 

Health care in the US worked fine until the advent of Medicare. The accompanying rules and price controls were adopted by the insurance companies, limiting the doctors and treatments and requiring expenditures for billing and price justification that equaled the cost of the treatments. Tax breaks go to companies that provide health insurance, but not to individuals. Ideally health insurance would be for catastrophic problems (a car crash rather than a flat tire in auto insurance terms) with the individuals selecting and negotiating prices with the doctor of their choice for minor heath problems, cash payments out of pocket, and no need for the doctor to hire a staff to push papers justifying every visit and treatment. But government discourages this.


 

One other expensive government meddle is in the form of prescriptions. If people could buy medicine without getting a prescription, huge amounts could be saved. I am taking two medications that I have been taking for over 15 years, but I have to see my doctor every six months to get the prescription renewed. I just go in, he asks me how I'm doing, I say "fine" and I get a new appointment six months later, along with the assurance that my prescriptions will be renewed. $75 (??) wasted each time, and multiply that by 200 million people.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Free markets don't work in healthcare.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1405396'>http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1405396</a>

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/06/08/17460/free-market-ideology-doesnt-work-health-care'>https://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/06/08/17460/free-market-ideology-doesnt-work-health-care</a>

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/02/04/free-market-rules-dont-work-in-delivering-health-care/?client=safari'>https://www.google.com/amp/www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/02/04/free-market-rules-dont-work-in-delivering-health-care/?client=safari</a>


They are a myth.


One of the other reasons we tolerate unreasonably high health care costs is gullibility’s close and symbiotic relative: blind adherence to ideology. By this I mean the belief that the free market — the invisible hand Adam Smith wrote about more than two centuries ago and that many Americans hold as a nonnegotiable tenet of faith — can work as well in health care as it can in other sectors of the economy.


While the free market is alive and well in the world’s other developed countries, leaders in every one of them, including conservatives, decided years ago that health care is different, that letting the unfettered invisible hand work its magic in health care not only doesn’t create the unintended social benefits Smith wrote about, it all too often creates unintended, seemingly intractable, social problems.

 

Reality doesnt cease to exist just because you stop believing in it. Every issue with the financing of health care is the direct result of market hampering, then people like the Huffer sit there and say it doesn't work. Of course it doeent work, you idiots broke it.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Consumers aren't free to not buy healthcare as the consequences are severe.


You can't have a free Market in health it is pretty simple.

 

You absolutely can if you permit people to suffer the negative consequences of their actions. If severe negative consequences are the standard then there's very little the government shouldn't do for you. Food, shelter, power, transportation, employment, your diet, exercise regimen...everthing in life can have severe consequences, that's simply not a reason for government to direct and finance anything.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You absolutely can if you permit people to suffer the negative consequences of their actions. If severe negative consequences are the standard then there's very little the government shouldn't do for you. Food, shelter, power, transportation, employment, your diet, exercise regimen...everthing in life can have severe consequences, that's simply not a reason for government to direct and finance anything.

 

Most of what you say I agree with.  The problem is, we (the general public) are not willing to let people fail to the point where there are starving children walking around begging for food, or people dying of treatable diseases because they didn't save up enough money to save themselves.   We're just not willing to let people fail, because it's so unpleasant to look at.  We just don't want to have a society that is that brutal and unpleasant to walk around in. 

 

There's no doubt that the free market would work if you allow part of the consequences to be very unpleasant.   We're just not willing to do that. 

 

So, free markets work.  Yes.  Having severe consequences for failure is a strong motivator for people to work hard and succeed.   Yes.   Do we want to see severe consequences in reality?   I don't think the public has a strong enough stomach. 

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Reality doesnt cease to exist just because you stop believing in it. Every issue with the financing of health care is the direct result of market hampering, then people like the Huffer sit there and say it doesn't work. Of course it doeent work, you idiots broke it.

 

You just defined the Imaginationland based liberal ideology.

 

It's pure fantasy.  It requires one to stop believing in reality.  Because in the real world, their policies have been proven not to work.  Never have, and never will.

 

Unless you consider by "working," pulling the wool over the eyes of the people and exploiting them to keep them suppressed and obedient.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."