I still really like Ian Cunningham at the bears

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Common denominator. Establish an identity, focus effort on that identity. Whether it's coaches, free agents, uniforms, everything points to the consistent, predictable modus operandi.

Give them credit, too. Patience is remarkable within that franchise. They've had 3 coaches in like 40 years. You don't prosper from hitting the reset button every 2-3 years. Doesn't hurt to hit on your picks, but they've had some flops, too. But everyone in the room knows exactly who they are, what they will be doing, and what is the expectation.

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....maybe there's something to be learned from a franchise that pays no attention to the howling wolves? Or maybe it just says something about the minds that frequent toothlimit.com or whatever the Stillers board is called.

They missed with Pickett. They moved on, and came out better. Even with Pickett, they still kept the record above .500!

I heard the tittians won that lawsuit for stealing their URL, I guess the judge determined the case prima facie just seeing the plaintiff walk in the courtroom. The new official team website for pittsburgh is now www.heifersinyellow.com

It's the lawya jokes that keep me coming back to duvalpride.com.

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Common denominator. Establish an identity, focus effort on that identity. Whether it's coaches, free agents, uniforms, everything points to the consistent, predictable modus operandi.

Give them credit, too. Patience is remarkable within that franchise. They've had 3 coaches in like 40 years. You don't prosper from hitting the reset button every 2-3 years. Doesn't hurt to hit on your picks, but they've had some flops, too. But everyone in the room knows exactly who they are, what they will be doing, and what is the expectation.

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....maybe there's something to be learned from a franchise that pays no attention to the howling wolves? Or maybe it just says something about the minds that frequent toothlimit.com or whatever the Stillers board is called.

They missed with Pickett. They moved on, and came out better. Even with Pickett, they still kept the record above .500!

Regarding the whole identity thing: 

While I think it is a largely overrated concept in team building by many fans and pundits there is a relevancy to the Jags situation. 

Doug came in knowing he'd run some version of his mesh concept offense somewhat tailored to the talent he had available. It sort of worked eventually after a bumpy start-  but because they never invested in the OL it had glaring weaknesses that shifted around year to year and even during seasons. 
They masked one weakness for a while with a particular set of plays until defenses sorted that out - then they applied duct tape elsewhere to half-way fix that issue - then they cinched up a few zip ties to mask the latest exposure by better defensive coordinators...
And the merry go round of trying to hide a weak offensive line has landed them with an unidentifiable, amorphous offense that puts its quarterback's back against the wall and dares him not to screw it up. 
Not excusing Trevor's mistakes that are unforced and the areas he needs to improve, but this current mutation of Doug's offense does him few favors and too often forces him to rip low percentage throws. 

OUR common denominator under Doug has been a failure to address the trenches. 

And unfortunately, that's our only real identity that has been consistent. 

Coaches have the difficult task of balancing a preconceived scheme and intended identity with the reality of working through camp with their roster and discovering how well intention meets reality with the talent and skillsets available. 

So far - Doug and his various staff have either planned the wrong scheme for their roster or failed to adapt scheme to meet the personnel strengths and weaknesses they are saddled with. 

I still put most of the failure on player execution - but in year three that also points back to coaching, so... after all that...
It would be really nice to see a GM that really knows how to get his coaches what they need to excel in their scheme.
(Even if it's a GM that has to get in the face of a Doug Pederson and tell him, "Stop making me pick these ultra athletic linemen! It's gonna bite you in the [BLEEP]!")

And you obviously need coaches that know how to adjust scheme to compromise for players that don't fit perfectly.

Every new staff claims to possess these qualities or aspire to them anyway. 
Few actually pull it off.

The touched on it in the Loins game - Campbell and Holmes came in together, established their approach to the team, what they valued, and pursued that. Got players that fit their mold, got them bought into the mindset, and look where they are. I will grant that if they were 5-6 it wouldn't likely appear like a well-tuned machine, but I don't see anything close to that harmony in our operation.

Your post is well stated, we're rarely dealing with circles in the Venn - there's a bit of overlap across the board as to why it's not working, whether it's bringing in the wrong guys, having a poor scheme, failing to adapt to the roster, or just plain boneheaded mistakes. That's why I  think most everyone is ready for SOME change, if not complete overhaul - we are a cacophony of voices and none of them are in tune with the other.

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Regarding the whole identity thing: 

While I think it is a largely overrated concept in team building by many fans and pundits there is a relevancy to the Jags situation. 

Doug came in knowing he'd run some version of his mesh concept offense somewhat tailored to the talent he had available. It sort of worked eventually after a bumpy start-  but because they never invested in the OL it had glaring weaknesses that shifted around year to year and even during seasons. 
They masked one weakness for a while with a particular set of plays until defenses sorted that out - then they applied duct tape elsewhere to half-way fix that issue - then they cinched up a few zip ties to mask the latest exposure by better defensive coordinators...
And the merry go round of trying to hide a weak offensive line has landed them with an unidentifiable, amorphous offense that puts its quarterback's back against the wall and dares him not to screw it up. 
Not excusing Trevor's mistakes that are unforced and the areas he needs to improve, but this current mutation of Doug's offense does him few favors and too often forces him to rip low percentage throws. 

OUR common denominator under Doug has been a failure to address the trenches. 

And unfortunately, that's our only real identity that has been consistent. 

Coaches have the difficult task of balancing a preconceived scheme and intended identity with the reality of working through camp with their roster and discovering how well intention meets reality with the talent and skillsets available. 

So far - Doug and his various staff have either planned the wrong scheme for their roster or failed to adapt scheme to meet the personnel strengths and weaknesses they are saddled with. 

I still put most of the failure on player execution - but in year three that also points back to coaching, so... after all that...
It would be really nice to see a GM that really knows how to get his coaches what they need to excel in their scheme.
(Even if it's a GM that has to get in the face of a Doug Pederson and tell him, "Stop making me pick these ultra athletic linemen! It's gonna bite you in the [BLEEP]!")

Andrew obviously need coaches that know how to adjust scheme to compromise for players that don't fit perfectly.

Every new staff claims to possess these qualities or aspire to them anyway. 
Few actually pull it off.

So you're saying...the team needs to get bigger...and stronger?

we had to go with that because "bite them in their kneecaps" was already taken.

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Fire Baalke on Monday, and get a group of NFL professionals that love Jacksonville to help with the search for a real culture.

This is what Detroit did.  And look how well they are doing.  You gotta get rid of Baalke.  But you also have to have a hiring group that cares about your franchise.  At least find a group of professionals that have passion for Duval that are willing to find a like minded person that wants to put in the hard work.

The problem is that we never seem to hire people that are passionate enough to put in the work.  There are former jaguars that are willing to vet executives.  Give them the chance to do it.

Correction, you have Baalke fire Doug.
As soon as that deed is done, you tell TB to go ahead and follow him out the door. Then you do the rest.

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I would love to poach one or a few people from the Green Bay scouting department tree. They have had an eye for good development players at multiple position groups.

Maybe not for GM, but like for director of scouting or AGM or something.

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It's outlandish that you want all these hyper-focused professional accomplishments and pin your hopes on someone who is completely unaccomplished in the field.

What makes you think Boselli is unaccomplished?  The dude is a real professional.  You don't think he's been learning about how to be the voice of a franchise for the years he's been doing that same dog on job?

You seem to be confusing "EVP of Football Operations" with "EVP of Public Relations".  If you want Boselli for the latter, I guess that's fine, but it isn't the issue with this franchise.  If you want him for the former, he isn't remotely qualified.

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What makes you think Boselli is unaccomplished?  The dude is a real professional.  You don't think he's been learning about how to be the voice of a franchise for the years he's been doing that same dog on job?

You seem to be confusing "EVP of Football Operations" with "EVP of Public Relations".  If you want Boselli for the latter, I guess that's fine, but it isn't the issue with this franchise.  If you want him for the former, he isn't remotely qualified.

C'mon man, all the EVP does is wave to the fans and sign autographs. And pick the GM. Aside from that it's just not that tough a job.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I will point out that Kyle Shannahan got John Lynch in as the 49ers GM straight from the broadcasting booth without any FO experience. So while it would be weird and not likely to work, there is an example of it working.

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I will point out that Kyle Shannahan got John Lynch in as the 49ers GM straight from the broadcasting booth without any FO experience. So while it would be weird and not likely to work, there is an example of it working.

Lynch worked with Elway in Denver's front office unofficially from 2011 thru 2016 doing unpaid work as a scout, talent evaluator, and draft consultant. He got a 5 year internship in a strong organization to get him going.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I still really like Ian Cunningham at the bears

Bears whiffed on Jayden Daniels. Not a very talented roster other than some good veterans from other teams.

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"I am only an average man, but by George, I work harder at it than the average man." - Teddy Roosevelt

I still really like Ian Cunningham at the bears

Bears whiffed on Jayden Daniels. Not a very talented roster other than some good veterans from other teams.

Whiffed on Jayden Daniels 10 games into their rookie seasons is a wild take. Caleb is going to have a much better pro career IMO.

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