I don't really care either way but it'll sure be interesting how this plays out.

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This is exactly why I suggest offering a modest contract to Andre Branch.  Didn't want to enter the season with all the LEOs having 0 NFL starts. 

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According to Ryan O, Hardy has left, and we haven't signed him.   Also according to Ryan O, that good old "league source" says we're not currently intending to sign him. 

 

I'm like everyone else, when I saw this news about us working him out, I started thinking, oh, no, someone is getting suspended and all of a sudden we need a Leo.   I'm still nervous about that.   I just don't understand what would cause us to want to work out Greg Hardy.  

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Look I know our legal system is far from perfect.. But if there was enough concrete evidence he would be in a jail cell. Society has ridiculed a guy for something charges were dropped for. Quit acting like you know the full story when you damn well know you dont know [BAD WORD REMOVED]. Just like when Ray Rice punched out his girlfriend, little did people know she was slapping him in the face before getting on the elevator and jumping at him and shoving him. Im sorry but if you want equality and men and women are equal Ray Rice's wife got what was coming to her and I would argue it was deserved. If I get drunk and start shoving an mma fighter and slap him or her do you think I am getting put down easy? Hell no and i wouldn't expect to either. Sign the man, let him prove he is a better person now.

Lol Just because you can knock someone out, doesn't mean you should. Rice didn't have to do that. He could have handled it a different way.


But judging by your post, I can see the way you view things so this is a moot point.

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I like the approach they're taking. Provided Hardy is still anywhere near as good as he was back in 2013, he has the ability to instantly provide a pass rush. Now, the Jaguars should be able to get the job done on their own with Fowler, Ngakoue, Woodard, Holmes and Werner on their roster. But say it's like week five and these guys are doing squat, it might be prudent to bring in Hardy.

Woodard is on IR with a torn achilles. He won't be playing at all this year.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

This is all about due diligence folks. And there's nothing wrong with that. Remember last year Caldwell tried to sign Aldon Smith too. When the talent outweighs the distractions, Caldwell doesn't seem afraid to take the risks, and from what I gather that is what this meeting was all about. They wanted to see if his talent was worth taking on the headache.

Per a league source with knowledge of the situation, the Jaguars wanted to learn more about Hardy so that they’ll know more about him if at some point down the road they need him.


That could be in a week. That could be in a month. That could be late in the regular season or in the postseason.


If they’d been blown away by Hardy, they likely would have signed him now. As it stands, they were doing their due diligence regarding who he is as a player and his issues in Carolina and Dallas.


The Jaguars first considered the possibility of looking at Hardy in March, but they deliberately waited to see how he conducted himself during his search for work.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/07/21/jaguars-have-no-plans-to-sign-greg-hardy-now-but-could-later/'>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/07/21/jaguars-have-no-plans-to-sign-greg-hardy-now-but-could-later/</a>

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

He's a locker room cancer.Which will standout like a sore thumb in a locker room like ours.Can only hurt our chemistry.

What 'chemistry' are you referring to? The one that has us turning in losing records season after season? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Greg Hardy for what he's done and I expect I never will be. I'm not in favor of the team acquiring him; but chemistry... I'm not sure that I get what you mean by that.

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If they sign him and he has 10 sacks nobody will care about his past

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Just kicking the tires in the awful event that the massive influx of talent we put into our Dline doesn't work out or we have a major injury.

 

How bad is Branch if Hardy is getting a look see before he is, by any team lol

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This actually makes me worried that 

 

A) The Jags don't think Dante and Yannick are going to provide enough pressure

 

or

 

2) There is a pending issue (injury or suspension) that they know about

 

That's definitely a concern.

 

But, it could be the realization that they've got two very young, inexperienced guys they're putting out there, and they are just kicking the tires in the event they decide they want some experience in there. 

 

Personally, I think it would go completely against the grain of everything they've been trying to build here, but that's just me.  It sounds like they had him meet everyone in the organization from the owner on down. I'm sure he was on his best behavior.  Hopefully that doesn't sway anything.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Just kicking the tires in the awful event that the massive influx of talent we put into our Dline doesn't work out or we have a major injury.

 

How bad is Branch if Hardy is getting a look see before he is, by any team lol

Branch was signed by the dolphins in March,

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What 'chemistry' are you referring to? The one that has us turning in losing records season after season? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Greg Hardy for what he's done and I expect I never will be. I'm not in favor of the team acquiring him; but chemistry... I'm not sure that I get what you mean by that.

Chemistry is basically the atmosphere of a team.While good team chemistry is not always enough to overcome bad talent/coaching its a very important aspect of winning in team sports.


Teams I played on in the past havn't always been the most talented or well coached in the league but when our locker room chemistry was right we usually won.Leicester winning the premier league this year is an example of how far team "chemistry" can take you.

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Not sure I want Hardy influencing Fowler, who has shown flashes of not being the brightest guy.

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Look I know our legal system is far from perfect.. But if there was enough concrete evidence he would be in a jail cell. Society has ridiculed a guy for something charges were dropped for. Quit acting like you know the full story when you damn well know you dont know [BAD WORD REMOVED]. Just like when Ray Rice punched out his girlfriend, little did people know she was slapping him in the face before getting on the elevator and jumping at him and shoving him. Im sorry but if you want equality and men and women are equal Ray Rice's wife got what was coming to her and I would argue it was deserved. If I get drunk and start shoving an mma fighter and slap him or her do you think I am getting put down easy? Hell no and i wouldn't expect to either. Sign the man, let him prove he is a better person now. 

Concrete evidence? Girl probably dropped the charges out of fear he would kill her.

 

Chick slaps me and I would laugh and send her down the street. Knocking her the [BAD WORD REMOVED] out would not be considered. The fact that you would argue that she deserved it makes you a complete [BAD WORD REMOVED] wad and nowhere near a man. This post makes you appear less than pathetic.

 

As I stated earlier. No to the woman beater. I don't care if he got 25 sacks.

 

 

Edit; Post was made assuming you to be adult male. After re-reading the post I am not sure.

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Not sure I want Hardy influencing Fowler, who has shown flashes of not being the brightest guy.

Good point..

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Eh.  Thinking back on all of the "due diligence" visits Caldwell has set up during his tenure that had us scratching out heads, I'm not sure we need to read too far into this one guys. 

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This actually makes me worried that 

 

A) The Jags don't think Dante and Yannick are going to provide enough pressure

 

or

 

2) There is a pending issue (injury or suspension) that they know about

For myriad reasons, I concur with the above.

 

Traditionally, I have not been particularly moralist when it comes to signing players with off field issues.  As Hurricane and others have observed, having players with off field issues are not necessarily anathema to winning a Super Bowl.  NFL history is replete with teams having a winning atmosphere and having winning results while having players deemed as "cancers."  The Oakland Raiders won three Super Bowls taking teams' castoffs and rejects and problem children.  Lawrence Taylor was notorious for cocaine use and missing practice, but the Giants won two Super Bowls with him and contended for most of the 1980s.  The Cowboys were known as much for off field dysfunction as they were for their on field dominance in the 1990s.  The Green Bay Packers won Super Bowl XXXI after signing Andre Rison, who burned bridges in Indianapolis, Atlanta, Cleveland and Jacksonville.  The San Francisco 49ers endured locker room dissonance from the likes of Charles Haley, and signed Tim Harris, who had well documented alcohol issues to win multiple Super Bowl titles.  More recent examples include Seattle winning with Percy Harvin and the Patriots with Randy Moss.  As a general rule, I think history has shown that teams tend to err on the side of talent when it comes to character issues.  In the interest of full disclosure, when he became a free agent last year, I initially advocated signing him.

 

However, Hardy presents more off field issues than I am comfortable dealing with.  First off, there are usually whispers that a player is a locker room cancer, but usually these whispers come from sports writers who relay the information.  Rarely do former teammates speak publicly and derisively about their former teammates.  But Hardy's former teammates in Carolina and Dallas both disparaged his locker room presence before and after he left.  While there are sides to every story, and while I am not privy to the happenings inside the Jaguars' locker room, the sense I get is there is not a lot of acrimony there despite the losing, turnover, and youth.  The last thing this young and talented team needs is someone to fracture the locker room.  Were this team an established winner, with a strong head coach and lots of veteran leaders to offset a potentially negative influence, I might be more inclined to take a chance on him.  But while Bradley remains a favorite with his players, I can't imagine him having the clout with a new guy like Hardy to control him, nor has anyone in the locker room reached superstar status, especially on the defense, to earn Hardy's respect enough to keep him in line. 

 

Furthermore, the considerable negative publicity surrounding his off field issues, particularly the domestic violence, has made him largely radioactive to the rest of the league.  He represents one of the most important commodities a football team could have-a potentially great pass rusher.  Yet in spite of teams tending to err on the side of talent, teams have eschewed Hardy, including Dallas, who has a desperate need for a pass rusher and still let him walk after barely half a season on field.  For a team struggling to have more than a small, regional following/fan base, it seems to me signing a guy with such highly publicized and egregious off field conduct (with pictures of the aftermath) would bring a lot of negative attention to this team and defeat the team's efforts to broaden its appeal.

 

The fact the team is considering signing him in light of the above brings the concerns voiced by High Score into focus.

 

Presumably, Hardy would play LDE in our scheme.  Hardy racked up his high sack totals as a LDE in Carolina.  While we don't have a proven dominant pass rusher at that position, it is considered a position of good depth, especially when you consider Jackson, Ngakoue and perhaps even Sheldon Day could slide over there in certain situations.  Signing Hardy within the context of the depth and flexibility we have at the position seems kind of odd.  This brings to mind another consideration:  how would Hardy's presence affect the development of young DEs like Fowler and Ngakoue? Sure you want as much playmaking talent as possible along the DL, and neither Fowler nor Ngakoue are sure things at this point in their careers.  But assuming the team actually hit on Fowler and Ngakoue, how many reps-both in practice and in games- would Hardy's presence take away from them?  I share High Score's concern (paranoia?) that the team is having second thoughts about the immediate viability of Fowler and or Ngakoue, or has information regarding their availability for this season.  

 

Perhaps this is a manifestation of this team's strong desire to win and erring on the side of talent as many winning franchises have done before.  Perhaps it's possible that Hardy, in their estimation, has genuinely changed for the better in terms of how he relates to teammates, coaches and paramours.  But to me, such a signing is fraught with risk, too much for a team with such a young roster looking to take the next step beyond mere respectability but into contention.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Hmmmmm, word out today of suspensions from 4/20 random tests? Just saying.

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No thank you on Hardy.  He is a cancer.  Just putting in my fan vote.

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What makes anyone think the Jags are uncomfortable with Fowler's ability to get to the QB? Thus far, they've only seem him perform sans pads.  All indications are that he's quick, that he's still got the moves that made him great at UF.

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