That is not going to affect the Buckeyes in any way.

You can't be serious.

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You can't be serious.

 

I can hear Urb's heart palpitations from here.

 

I think the IMG idea for Michigan is interesting, but I don't believe you are even allowed to recruit in the spring.  I'd be interested to see the tactics being used and whether he pushes the NCAA's limits on recruiting.

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Rivals, huh?

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.highschoolot.com/rivals-com-names-dexter-lawrence-top-player-in-nation/14682859/'>http://www.highschoolot.com/rivals-com-names-dexter-lawrence-top-player-in-nation/14682859/</a>

Posted June 1st. Rivals updates their rankings periodically. Gary ended this recruiting year as the #1 ranked player.

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Posted June 1st. Rivals updates their rankings periodically. Gary ended this recruiting year as the #1 ranked player.

 

I know, I'm just saying.  All these guys are the same...when one does one thing the other follows because they don't want to look dumb.  Most of those recruiting sites don't even know who a kid is until the schools do their due diligence and start offering scholarships and then all the sudden they start shooting up the rankings.

 

There was a local kid last year that was a 2 star prospect, Florida offers him and other schools follow suit.  A week later he's all the sudden a 4 star prospect. 

 

To go from June until the end of the year and move a guy from No 1 to No 2 is proof enough that there is an argument to be made that he is the number one prospect.  Regardless, both of these guys have a good shot at doing well.  They are both extremely athletic and will do well.

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You can't be serious.

 

You know I am always serious.

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You know I am always serious.

Then you should understand how it affects the bucknuts.

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Rivals, huh?

 

http://www.highschoolot.com/rivals-com-n.../14682859/

 

Why would you link me to his ranking before his senior season and before the All-American bowl game that Gary shined at?

 

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/148821

 

https://n.rivals.com/prospect_rankings/rivals100/2016

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I know, I'm just saying.  All these guys are the same...when one does one thing the other follows because they don't want to look dumb.  Most of those recruiting sites don't even know who a kid is until the schools do their due diligence and start offering scholarships and then all the sudden they start shooting up the rankings.

 

There was a local kid last year that was a 2 star prospect, Florida offers him and other schools follow suit.  A week later he's all the sudden a 4 star prospect. 

 

To go from June until the end of the year and move a guy from No 1 to No 2 is proof enough that there is an argument to be made that he is the number one prospect.  Regardless, both of these guys have a good shot at doing well.  They are both extremely athletic and will do well.

 

Okay, but you said he wasn't the consensus #1 player yesterday when he was.

 

The way Gary dominated at the Under Armor All-American game put to rest any doubts (in the mind of every reputable objective source I've read) about Gary being the best player in this class. He set an event record with 3 sacks, but apparently dominated all week at practice too.

 

 

Now, I do realize that top recruits don't always end up being studs at the next level and odds are against the #1 recruit ending up  the best player in the class. Still, at this point he is/was the consensus #1 recruit.

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That is not going to affect the Buckeyes in any way.

 

Michigan getting back to being a top tier program doesn't affect Ohio St. at all?

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How are they going to pull this off, what about classes?

 

They are doing it over Spring Break.

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Michigan getting back to being a top tier program doesn't affect Ohio St. at all?

From a recruiting standpoint, I would agree it doesn't affect Ohio State much. Not until Michigan can truly return to being a top tier program and until it has a chance recruiting in their own state again. It's telling that Michigan was only able to bring in 3 of the top 25 recruits from Michigan. The top prospects in the state didn't even entertain the idea of attending Michigan. Ohio State on the other hand dominates recruiting in its state. They signed 6 out of the top 10 in Ohio plus poached a top recruit from Michigan. Michigan's ranking is also a little high because of the fact they could recruit over the 25 limit and backdate the commitments to 2015; probably not a top 10 class otherwise.

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I have heard grades are an issue with him.

I guarantee you the issue was not grades related. As sources show, he was flipped for weeks now. It is a common play among programs to not show their cards till late. As for the grades: Despite popular misconceptions, the minimum requirements to attend the Univeristy of Florida are lower than the minimum requirements to attend Florida State University. That's per UF's website.

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No this is true. The majority of the non computer geeks get their thoughts from the computer geeks.

Gary is probably one of the beer defensive prospects to come out of high school in almost a decade. I'd put him just above Nkemdiche and just below Clowney.

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From a recruiting standpoint, I would agree it doesn't affect Ohio State much. Not until Michigan can truly return to being a top tier program and until it has a chance recruiting in their own state again. It's telling that Michigan was only able to bring in 3 of the top 25 recruits from Michigan. The top prospects in the state didn't even entertain the idea of attending Michigan. Ohio State on the other hand dominates recruiting in its state. They signed 6 out of the top 10 in Ohio plus poached a top recruit from Michigan. Michigan's ranking is also a little high because of the fact they could recruit over the 25 limit and backdate the commitments to 2015; probably not a top 10 class otherwise.

 

Wait, what? Stop moving the goalpoasts. Of Course Ohio St. is going to continue being a powerhouse. Did you not read my most where I said "Ohio St. will continue being Ohio St.?". She didn't say Michigan being back will have "no effect on Ohio St. recruiting". She said that Michigan being back will have "no effect on Ohio St.". There is a big difference between those two statements.

 

And the nonsense about Michigan not being able to recruit instate and not having a top 10 class without having such a large class is absolute hogwash. There are only 6 programs that had over 12 4* and 5*s. Michigan had 15. There is no logical way to back up your statement that Michigan doesn't have a top 10 class. Michigan's top 25 players would easily be a top 10 class in both overall and average ranking.

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I mean, it's not like a Michigan coaching staff member was just named 2016 Scout recruiter of the year.......lol.

 

 

"Michigan probably wouldn't have a top 25 class" if they signed 25 players in stead of 28........lol.

 

 

 

Recruiting is not going to be an issue for Michigan as long as Harbaugh is coaching this team. Not sure how you can deny that at this point.

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Michigan getting back to being a top tier program doesn't affect Ohio St. at all?

 

I mean the way they recruit players, silly. Not who they recruit.

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I mean, it's not like a Michigan coaching staff member was just named 2016 Scout recruiter of the year.......lol.

 

 

"Michigan probably wouldn't have a top 25 class" if they signed 25 players in stead of 28........lol.

 

 

 

Recruiting is not going to be an issue for Michigan as long as Harbaugh is coaching this team. Not sure how you can deny that at this point.

You can believe whatever you like, but the math is definitely not on your side.  Eliminate some of the players that they are over 25 and they will drop.

 

A drop outside the top 10 based on average is actually quite simple.  I don't know why you find it so hard to believe they would drop out the top 10 based on average, because as of now, with 29 recruits, they ARE ranked 10. According to 247 Sports average: 1. Alabama, 2. FSU, 3. LSU, 4. OSU, 5. Georgia, 6. USC, 7. Auburn, 8. Ole Miss, 9. Clemson, 10. Michigan.  Drop 4 athletes, obviously they would drop out of the top 10.

 

They would also drop out of the top-10 based on overall ranking.  I'll make it easy for you.  247 Sports has a class calculator; the same one they use to determine their final class rankings.  Michigan has 29 recruits, 4 over 25.  There are 4 recruits that Michigan backdated to 2015 and signed the same day.  Take them off the class list and Michigan's class falls out the top 10. (Source: http://michigan.247sports.com/Season/201...s/Preview)

 

I never said recruiting will be an issue, just saying this is a top class because of quantity not quality.  You are right about them having a good amount of 4* and 5* recruits.  While this is true, the issue are their grades.  There is a reason Michigan is the only top 10 NSD team with an average below 90.  There is a reason Michigan is barely ranked above teams with only 20 recruits, instead of 29.  It's because their 4* and 5* recruits are not graded very high.  Yes, #7 Georgia only has 13 4* and 5*, but they are ALL graded at above .90 (more like .94).  Yes, #8 USC may only have 13 4* and 5*, but all but ONE is ranked above .90 (once again, more like .94).  1/3 of Michigan's 4* and *5 are ranked below .90 and more on the 3* side of the rankings.

 

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Okay, but you said he wasn't the consensus #1 player yesterday when he was.

 

The way Gary dominated at the Under Armor All-American game put to rest any doubts (in the mind of every reputable objective source I've read) about Gary being the best player in this class. He set an event record with 3 sacks, but apparently dominated all week at practice too.

 

 

Now, I do realize that top recruits don't always end up being studs at the next level and odds are against the #1 recruit ending up  the best player in the class. Still, at this point he is/was the consensus #1 recruit.

 

Again, I gave completely valid reasons on why I don't think he would be considered the number one guy.  I'm sure you sat down and watched tons of game film on all these guys just like the rest of us to formulate your opinion though, so we'll leave it to you scouting expert.

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Hostile, that's not how it works. Michigan would not have taken 3-star scrubs in place of high rated early enrollees like Kareem Walker and Brandon Peters if they didn't have room for both. You don't just cut guys like Walker, Peters, etc. because they are the early enrollees.

 

Even as it stands right now, Michigan has a top 10 class based on average recruit. Take out the bottom 4 players of the class and Michigan is a top 10 lock. 

 

 

Michigan has 7 top 100 players including the #1 overall recruit in the country. When you say that their ranking isn't based on quality, you sound quite stupid. It's based on both. The two are not mutually exclusive no matter how you try to pick and chose your rankings.

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If Michigan had only had 25 spots instead of I believe 30 available, these are the guys likely not signing Letters of Intent:

 

1. Dytarious Jackson is unlikely to a part of the 2016 class for several reason (notice he hasn't signed his LOI yet).

2. Josh Metellus (S) or Devin Gil (S) - One oesn't keep an offer if Michigan doesn't have so much extra room.

3. Eddie McDoom (WR) or Nate Johnson (WR)- See above

4. Steven Spanellis (OL) - See above

 

 

So remove Jackson, Spanellis, Metellus or Gil and McDoom or Johnson. Let me know how that affects their overall rankings and average ranking. Michigan's overall recruit average right now is 89.45 on 247. Take out:

Jackson 83.76

Metellus 85.41

McDoom 87.94

Spanellis 85.43

 

A 4th grader would be able to look at that end tell you that the average would go up considering all 4 players are below the average.

 

 

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I just took those 4 players out using 247's calculator and they still have a top 10 class afterwards. Why? Because Michigan has quality in this class, not just quantity.

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