Glennon > Bortles

 

Disagree. 

 

1.  Glennon is a second year QB, not a rookie like Bortles.

2.  The Tampa OL does not have two rookies starting on it like Jacksonville

3.  Tampa actually has a credible RB in Martin, unlike Jacksonville.

4.  Tampa actually had an established talented experienced WR in Jackson.  Jacksonville only had Ace Sanders as an experienced WR against Pittsburgh.

 

1. I get that. However, 1st year QB can have success more than every in todays NFL with the rules favoring passing. and Glennon isn't even that good. 

 

2. I don't think the Jags OL personnel wise is as bad as everyone here seems to think. 

 

3. Ok, fair point. (So far anyway). Storm will be pretty good tho. 

 

4. I think Jax' WR talent is fine, rookies or not. As a matter of fact I'd easily take Jax' WR corps over TB's. 

 

But the underlined is precisely why your analysis in this thread is hopelessly premature.

 

Without experienced  & refined NFL caliber talent, how can you determine whether a coach is a good coach or not?

 

By your own words, you acknowledged Kotite (and later Switzer) looked better in their first 20 games as coach than they otherwise should have because they had better than average talent on their rosters.

 

Conversely, Jimmy Johnson did not look good in his first 20 games or so due to a lack of talent.

 

Ditto for Bradley.

 

Now Jimmy Johnson's team DID show improvement from year one to year two-and the first five games in year two specifically.  But the teams JJ beat in those first five games weren't very good, as opposed to the array of very good to elite QBs the Jaguars played in the first five games here.

 

Also keep in mind, in going from year 1 to year 2, Johnson had Aikman going from his rookie year to his second year, a rookie Emmitt Smith, a finally healthy Michael Irvin, Ken Norton Jr, Mark Stepnoski, Nate Newton and Kevin Gogan already on the roster. 

 

Bradley went from Gabbert and Henne his first year, to a rookie Bortles in his second year, with no Emmitt Smith in the backfield at this point, two rookies along the OL (3 counting Joeckel), 3 WRs, etc.

 

Jimmy Johnson took over a team that was very similar in overall roster talent to Bradley. 

 

ALso, some of those players you cite were DEVELOPED BY JOHNSON. He gets CREDIT for that. I think Caldwell has done a decent job in the past 2 drafts. If some of these rookies aren't developing I tend to look at some of Bradley's assistant coaches as failing in their jobs. Could a few just be bad selections by Caldwell? Sure....but I'd doubt that being the majority. Jimmy Johnson for the most part put together a good staff. Yes, he had to tweak it a bit by year 3, but I'd certainly rate his assistants over what Gus put together, for the most part. 

 

You say that Jimmy only beat bad teams in his early success in 1990, but Tampa was 3-1 and 4-2 when his Cowboys beat them twice. 

 

Bottom line is After Jimmy Johnson's 4-22 start (the low point before he started winning consistently), I don't know many coaches that have started out as bad as Bradley (4-17) and recovered to be a successful NFL head coach with the same team. 

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TMD - Tedious, Monotonous and Disappointing.

Your schtick becomes less entertaining as it becomes more predictable.

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TMD - Tedious, Monotonous and Disappointing.


Your schtick becomes less entertaining as it becomes more predictable.

 

There is no schtick here. 

 

Not sure why there'd have to be (schtick) in criticizing a head coach whose 4-17 and dreadfully bad in assembling a coaching staff, in game management/ clock management as well as halftime adjustments.   :wacko:

 

 

You just are one of these people that fail to live in reality or don't want to believe that we (again) messed up on our head coach choice. 

 

Hopefully prior head coaching experience is something that we finally go back to having as a pre-requisite before the next hire. The last one we had with that was Coughlin. 

 

And, while, no....that doesn't guarantee success, I think it gives you a much better chance, with an otherwise impressive resume being equal. 

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1.  Glennon is a second year QB, not a rookie like Bortles.

2.  The Tampa OL does not have two rookies starting on it like Jacksonville

3.  Tampa actually has a credible RB in Martin, unlike Jacksonville.

4.  Tampa actually had an established talented experienced WR in Jackson.  Jacksonville only had Ace Sanders as an experienced WR against Pittsburgh.

 

Shack Harris, Gene Smith  >  Dave Caldwell

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Shack Harris, Gene Smith > Dave Caldwell

Does it take a lot of practice to be such a moron, or does it just come naturally to you?

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One thing that stood out in TMD's initial post is where he wonders whether the coaching staff is overreacting to the INTs. And I gotta say, this is a concern that I share.

 

The overabundance of short passes is one thing, but reading the latest article on jaguars.com also leads me to believe the concern is warranted. The main theme of the article is that Bortles needs to be smarter with the football. There's a part in the article where Fisch singles out the first interception - the deep pass on 2nd and 28 from the Jags' 9 yard line. Fisch basically says that he told Bortles this wasn't the smartest thing to do. I found it incredibly strange that he'd pick on this throw since the Steelers ended up with the football like 45-50 yards down the field. The net effect of the play was equivalent to a good punt. The fact that Fisch would bring up this play - a play that may have actually been an upgrade over a punt - makes me wonder how close to the vest he wants Bortles to play. Troubling.

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Shack Harris, Gene Smith  >  Dave Caldwell

 

David Caldwell has made a few mistakes, yes.....but doesn't come off to me as incompetent like the other 2 people you mentioned. 

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1990 Tampa was 6-10 VERY outstanding  team :thumbsup:, right TMD... After losing to Dallas the second time, they went 0-5 the next games.

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Formerly known as The Real Joker

One thing that stood out in TMD's initial post is where he wonders whether the coaching staff is overreacting to the INTs. And I gotta say, this is a concern that I share.

 

The overabundance of short passes is one thing, but reading the latest article on jaguars.com also leads me to believe the concern is warranted. The main theme of the article is that Bortles needs to be smarter with the football. There's a part in the article where Fisch singles out the first interception - the deep pass on 2nd and 28 from the Jags' 9 yard line. Fisch basically says that he told Bortles this wasn't the smartest thing to do. I found it incredibly strange that he'd pick on this throw since the Steelers ended up with the football like 45-50 yards down the field. The net effect of the play was equivalent to a good punt. The fact that Fisch would bring up this play - a play that may have actually been an upgrade over a punt - makes me wonder how close to the vest he wants Bortles to play. Troubling.

 

Yep I agree. 

 

They are already starting with the neutering. 

 

 

I am like you - I see nothing wrong with Bortles INT deep downfield. I like the aggressiveness. 

 

Bortles second INT (the pick 6) likely is the indirect result of becoming too predictable with the loads of short passes. 

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1990 Tampa was 6-10 VERY outstanding  team :thumbsup:, right TMD

 

Never said they were outstanding. 

 

All I said was that when they played (and lost) to Dallas in 1990 the Bucs were 3-1, and 4-2 respectively. 

 

 

Dallas played a part in their season going into the crapper, I'd think. 

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Good to see TMD is back, don't let all the ad hominem get to you!

 

I probably overreact on the coaching staff, especially during game time, but I am willing to give them till the end of the year before any I pass any judgment on whether they should go or not. I do agree that it is not looking good. There is no excuse for being as bad as we were last year at this point. We are in contention for the worst team of all time with the stats were putting up! Come on...

 

A rebuild takes time and I get that, but a proper rebuild shouldn't see the team get worse from year 1 to year 2. There is still a lot of football left though so hopefully we start seeing some serious improvement down the road, otherwise it might be time to see someone get the axe.

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Tampa was bad before Dallas and after Dallas... Didn't have anything to do with Dallas... The Bucs were bad.  As Bullseye said Dallas beat bad teams

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Tampa was bad before Dallas and after Dallas... Didn't have anything to do with Dallas... The Bucs were bad.  As Bullseye said Dallas beat bad teams

 

Tampa was 3-1, and 4-2 before both Dallas games in 1990. 

 

We'll never know how their season record might have ended up with a split or sweep of those 2 games. In the NFL a couple bad games can send a team into a downward spiral. 

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I can't wait for Bortles, Lee, AR-15, and Blackmon on the field.  We are going to make defenses pay with that combo.  This could be a real possibility next year.  Once they have experience.

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I can't wait for Bortles, Lee, AR-15, and Blackmon on the field.  We are going to make defenses pay with that combo.  This could be a real possibility next year.  Once they have experience.

 

If the coaches keep calling the same type of short passes that they have been for the past 6 Quarters of football all the time, it wouldn't matter if you had Jerry Rice, MegaTron, Tim Brown with John Elway throwing the passes. 

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I remember Jimmy Johnson indeed did change his OC after 2 years and then hired Turner in 1991, and that offense took off from there. 

 

However, the defensive issues are more concerning, given that Bradley is a defensive background head coach. I do agree that Babich is horrible, (and needs to go) but you'd think that Bradley's presence would at least make this defense better than close to dead last in ranking for 2 years straight. 

 

maybe he has been taking a hands off approach and letting babich do it his way.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

This is probably one of the most ignorant comments you've ever infected us with on this board.


You and the dog whimperer are made for each other.

Even I had to +1 this one..

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maybe he has been taking a hands off approach and letting babich do it his way.

 

Possible. 

 

But again, Bradley gets no pass here. He chose Babich. This despite Babich having a less than impressive performance as DC while presiding over the Chicago Bears several years ago.....and it wasn't like Chicago was talent deficient on that D, either. 

 

Babich might be okay as a position coach (LB coach), but when elevated to the responsibility of D-Coordinator, he just has yet to show he belongs. 

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Shack Harris, Gene Smith > Dave Caldwell

JansFan32 > JaguarsAreBeasting

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Fisch needs to go, been saying it since last season. 

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