Fair assessment? Did he not get beat for what should have been the game winning catch?

Chancellor is very good at the line but he is not a good cover safety. Earl Thomas bails him out a lot.

Ideally Jalen Ramsey becomes an Earl Thomas clone for us at free safety and does this for Cyprien or whoever's on the field at SS.

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Ideally Jalen Ramsey becomes an Earl Thomas clone for us at free safety and does this for Cyprien or whoever's on the field at SS.

Agree

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Bosa would be my first choice(likely will not be available)


Myles Jack would be my second choice(I don't see many starting linebackers in FA)


Ramsey is a tremendous athlete no doubt about that. Great intensity and motor. But his stats are a little concerning(I see several possible prospects at both corner and free safety in FA)


It appears that Jaylon Smith's injury did not involve any nerve damage or damage to the cartilage. That said I would definitely take him in the second and quite possibly be willing to trade up into the late first for him


FA acquisitions, or lack thereof, will obviously determine a lot about the draft


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This is the dilemma that I think Dave and the Jags will have. This is also why you see Ramsey a lot as the "consensus" for the Jags. IMO, Bosa is the pick if he somehow slides. But let's set Ramsey aside for now...


Our biggest needs are pass rush, FS, interior OL, maybe LB. Other than Bosa, there really isn't a top DE out there. No other FS is worth it at 5. Tunsil and Stanley are the top T prospects, but Tunsil likely won't be there and I don't know that we are ready to spend another top 5 pick on a T after Luke.


Injuries have hit Smith and Jack (who likely wouldn't have been a fit with us already having Telvin). The next position group that has a chance to be picked is probably CB with Alexander and Hargreaves, though personally I have question marks on both that make me hesitate taking them top 5. Treadwelll? We're definitely not going to take another WR after all the investment we already have on offense and the development of the Allens.


Nkemdiche? He's an option, but he's not really a LEO and there's some off-field questions there with his fall. Do we just go dline with Buckner regardless of where he plays and add him to rotation?


As you can see, from a fit, talent, and value standpoint....who the Jags can take at #5 is very very questionable after Bosa and Ramsey.


So far, I've stated "why not" the other guys. But why Ramsey?


Well, when you look at the draft, you have to project where guys will play. Ramsey played mostly CB last season, and they blitzed him quite a bit. I think that's something that we can use him for here, but I don't expect to the same capacity that the Noles did. He has the speed to cover sideline to sideline as a FS. He's a good tackler. He has the size and physical ability to go up against corners, backs, and TEs. Considering that we have this hole that Dave and Gus has had a problem filling?


To find a guy who fits that need makes too much sense.


Going back to the top 5 (maybe top 4 since I assume at least one QB will be taken), I have Bosa then Ramsey. After that? I have not made up my mind. But as I explained, I don't think any of the other players that will be available are as good of a fit for what this team needs as Ramsey at FS.

Nice response. This is what I was looking for. I think there are also going to be a couple guys that will shoot into the top 10 that we will consider also.

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1. Tunsil

2. Lynch

3. Stanley

4. Goff

5. Bosa

 

I can really see that happening.

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Nice response. This is what I was looking for. I think there are also going to be a couple guys that will shoot into the top 10 that we will consider also.

 

I'm sure there are. I'm looking at some guys projected lower in case they are to shoot up the draft boards (or just for ideal fits for this scheme). So far, Ragland is a name I keep coming back to. Some might consider him a reach at 5, but the more I watch him, the more I like the possibility (especially if we can nab a veteran pass rusher).

 

Noah Spence is waaaaay down the draft board, but he's an intriguing name.

 

Another name that when I watch, I am tantalized by the explosiveness and the possibility....Leonard Floyd. I watch him and I see shades of Justin Houston when Houston was at UGA, though Floyd is even lighter and may not be able to add the weight like Houston did. But that speed....

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I'm sure there are. I'm looking at some guys projected lower in case they are to shoot up the draft boards (or just for ideal fits for this scheme). So far, Ragland is a name I keep coming back to. Some might consider him a reach at 5, but the more I watch him, the more I like the possibility (especially if we can nab a veteran pass rusher).


Noah Spence is waaaaay down the draft board, but he's an intriguing name.


Another name that when I watch, I am tantalized by the explosiveness and the possibility....Leonard Floyd. I watch him and I see shades of Justin Houston when Houston was at UGA, though Floyd is even lighter and may not be able to add the weight like Houston did. But that speed....

I think of it this way. If Ragland is going to be a beast MLB, then is it really a reach? Kuechly was the 9th pick and Blackmon was the 5th pick...


Hate UGA, but love Floyd. Stand out almost every game I watch. He would be the perfect guy to grab in a trade down scenario.

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I think of it this way. If Ragland is going to be a beast MLB, then is it really a reach? Kuechly was the 9th pick and Blackmon was the 5th pick...


Hate UGA, but love Floyd. Stand out almost every game I watch. He would be the perfect guy to grab in a trade down scenario.

 

My concern with Ragland is his mobility in coverage. He's shown the ability to blitz and he's a monster against the run. He's shown some ability in coverage as far as awareness, but how smooth is he really? I'm not taking Poz at #5 if you know what I mean.

 

But my vision for Ragland, is to sign a veteran FA pass rusher, allowing us to field a LB core of Telvin, Ragland, and Fowler.

 

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My concern with Ragland is his mobility in coverage. He's shown the ability to blitz and he's a monster against the run. He's shown some ability in coverage as far as awareness, but how smooth is he really? I'm not taking Poz at #5 if you know what I mean.


But my vision for Ragland, is to sign a veteran FA pass rusher, allowing us to field a LB core of Telvin, Ragland, and Fowler.


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Yeah.. My only concern as well. He basically is Poz, but obviously younger and ready to roll (tide).


You really got me thinking about Floyd, though! Totally forgot he was even in the draft. Must do more studying on him

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Yeah.. My only concern as well. He basically is Poz, but obviously younger and ready to roll (tide).


You really got me thinking about Floyd, though! Totally forgot he was even in the draft. Must do more studying on him

 

Floyd is soooo explosive. He's listed as 220, and he's not the youngest guy either so I'm not sure how much more weight he can tack on. But if he can somehow add 20 more lbs? I'd be very interested in him.

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Hold up....


Jalen Ramsey had 0 ints and 1 sack this year? And only 3 total ints in his Florida State career?


I'm trying my hardest to believe Ramsey is the guy, but his game tape really isn't that impressive and now I see these stats? I get that he has skills and looks like a ferocious competitor, but so is a guy like Cyprien. I want to see production!

Yea my issue with him as well, he is similar to Colvin and great pass rushing DB, he had like 3 sacks his soph year, Darby another FSU DB is also good at that. 

 

Yes he has the height and length you love but is he really that great single high safety? Do you wanna take that risk at 5? Yes at 15 maybe 

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Floyd is soooo explosive. He's listed as 220, and he's not the youngest guy either so I'm not sure how much more weight he can tack on. But if he can somehow add 20 more lbs? I'd be very interested in him.

I just finished watching him against Bama this year.. He got worked in that game! Georgia had him in coverage a lot also.

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Watching that Clemson/Bama game, it really gives you pause on Ragland. What he does well, he does very well. But against a pass happy spread offense? His impact was very minimal. Now, he did show that he *can* cover when he was isolated against Clem's shifty receiver and even made the tackle. But is that someone you spend a top 10 pick on?

 

I think he'll really need to blow up in the combine and show for sure that he has the athleticism to be on 3 downs, otherwise, he just doesn't hold up value wise.

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Watching that Clemson/Bama game, it really gives you pause on Ragland. What he does well, he does very well. But against a pass happy spread offense? His impact was very minimal. Now, he did show that he *can* cover when he was isolated against Clem's shifty receiver and even made the tackle. But is that someone you spend a top 10 pick on?

 

I think he'll really need to blow up in the combine and show for sure that he has the athleticism to be on 3 downs, otherwise, he just doesn't hold up value wise.

 

Yeah, Ragland is not the MLB that I would want for this defense. We need more speed there and that is not Ragland. I would actually prefer him at the OTTO for us than in the middle.

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Watching that Clemson/Bama game, it really gives you pause on Ragland. What he does well, he does very well. But against a pass happy spread offense? His impact was very minimal. Now, he did show that he *can* cover when he was isolated against Clem's shifty receiver and even made the tackle. But is that someone you spend a top 10 pick on?


I think he'll really need to blow up in the combine and show for sure that he has the athleticism to be on 3 downs, otherwise, he just doesn't hold up value wise.

I sadly have to agree. I'm a big Ragland fan, but we need speed. Foster played a really good game also.

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Look at every single Super Bowl winning team since the 2008 season.

 

Every one of them except three of those teams had All-Pros at Free Safety. Only two of them failed to produce a Pro Bowler at the position for that year, and none of the teams had a free safety in the lineup that wasn't selected to the Pro Bowl.

 

A true example of how important the free safety position is.

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Look at every single Super Bowl winning team since the 2008 season.

 

Every one of them except three of those teams had All-Pros at Free Safety. Only two of them failed to produce a Pro Bowler at the position for that year, and none of the teams had a free safety in the lineup that wasn't selected to the Pro Bowl.

 

A true example of how important the free safety position is.

Dang!  That's pretty ridiculous. Draft Ramsey and off to wikipedia I go...

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