Well hindsight is 2020 right? We all know I was on the Haskins train and he finished the season strong last year. And do we really want to get into all the decisions you would have made at GM? You would have had Tebow as the QB.....

It’s great to have Allen now but he’s not going to a SB unless the Jags find a QB.

Haskins certainly isn't taking anyone anywhere.  You miss 2019?

Yeah "finished strong" is a bit of a stretch for sure.
The final 2 weeks he definitely did better than earlier in the season. But better than terrible was still not great.
In a 37-27 loss to the Eagles he had 68% comp and a 9.3 YPA with 2 TD 0 INT
and in an OT loss to the Giants (one of the worst teams in the league) he had an 80% comp (only threw for 133 yards though) 2 TDs and 0 INTs.

But most of the year he was sub 60% completion, 6.5 ypa or lower, and more INTs than TDs.

I wasn't on the Haskins train pre draft and while the skins roster, specifically the OL, wasn't good, neither was ours and Minshew did substantially better most weeks. Haskins did nothing to make me think he's a long term solution for them. However, being a high draft selection I think he deserves this year to show improvement.

If we're using hindsight, I'm taking Minshew over every rookie QB from the last season, save for maybe Kyler Murray. And I'd take Minshew over most of the 2018 class as well.


I think what most Caldwell bashers, for lack of a better word for sure, are missing is that even though Caldwell hasn't done a "great" job he's had some great moves. A few good picks, lay ups or not, a few really good FA signings, and a few trades where getting anything was a huge win (Gabbert, Foles, Bouye [if the pending cut rumor is to be believed]). I think you can both be critical and appreciative. I mean really there are a handful of GMs every year making boneheaded moves left and right, like trading away an elite WR for peanuts for example.

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Haskins certainly isn't taking anyone anywhere.  You miss 2019?

Yeah "finished strong" is a bit of a stretch for sure.
The final 2 weeks he definitely did better than earlier in the season. But better than terrible was still not great.
In a 37-27 loss to the Eagles he had 68% comp and a 9.3 YPA with 2 TD 0 INT
and in an OT loss to the Giants (one of the worst teams in the league) he had an 80% comp (only threw for 133 yards though) 2 TDs and 0 INTs.

But most of the year he was sub 60% completion, 6.5 ypa or lower, and more INTs than TDs.

I wasn't on the Haskins train pre draft and while the skins roster, specifically the OL, wasn't good, neither was ours and Minshew did substantially better most weeks. Haskins did nothing to make me think he's a long term solution for them. However, being a high draft selection I think he deserves this year to show improvement.

If we're using hindsight, I'm taking Minshew over every rookie QB from the last season, save for maybe Kyler Murray. And I'd take Minshew over most of the 2018 class as well.


I think what most Caldwell bashers, for lack of a better word for sure, are missing is that even though Caldwell hasn't done a "great" job he's had some great moves. A few good picks, lay ups or not, a few really good FA signings, and a few trades where getting anything was a huge win (Gabbert, Foles, Bouye [if the pending cut rumor is to be believed]). I think you can both be critical and appreciative. I mean really there are a handful of GMs every year making boneheaded moves left and right, like trading away an elite WR for peanuts for example.

Who has ever said Caldwell hasn't hit on anything? having a few good picks and signings when you have record breaking levels of cap and high drafts picks is the minimum to be expected. Need to raise your expectations for how a front office should operate

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Yeah "finished strong" is a bit of a stretch for sure.
The final 2 weeks he definitely did better than earlier in the season. But better than terrible was still not great.
In a 37-27 loss to the Eagles he had 68% comp and a 9.3 YPA with 2 TD 0 INT
and in an OT loss to the Giants (one of the worst teams in the league) he had an 80% comp (only threw for 133 yards though) 2 TDs and 0 INTs.

But most of the year he was sub 60% completion, 6.5 ypa or lower, and more INTs than TDs.

I wasn't on the Haskins train pre draft and while the skins roster, specifically the OL, wasn't good, neither was ours and Minshew did substantially better most weeks. Haskins did nothing to make me think he's a long term solution for them. However, being a high draft selection I think he deserves this year to show improvement.

If we're using hindsight, I'm taking Minshew over every rookie QB from the last season, save for maybe Kyler Murray. And I'd take Minshew over most of the 2018 class as well.


I think what most Caldwell bashers, for lack of a better word for sure, are missing is that even though Caldwell hasn't done a "great" job he's had some great moves. A few good picks, lay ups or not, a few really good FA signings, and a few trades where getting anything was a huge win (Gabbert, Foles, Bouye [if the pending cut rumor is to be believed]). I think you can both be critical and appreciative. I mean really there are a handful of GMs every year making boneheaded moves left and right, like trading away an elite WR for peanuts for example.

Who has ever said Caldwell hasn't hit on anything? having a few good picks and signings when you have record breaking levels of cap and high drafts picks is the minimum to be expected. Need to raise your expectations for how a front office should operate

You know how easy it is to spend like a mad man and get it wrong when you have all that money to spare?

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Yeah "finished strong" is a bit of a stretch for sure.
The final 2 weeks he definitely did better than earlier in the season. But better than terrible was still not great.
In a 37-27 loss to the Eagles he had 68% comp and a 9.3 YPA with 2 TD 0 INT
and in an OT loss to the Giants (one of the worst teams in the league) he had an 80% comp (only threw for 133 yards though) 2 TDs and 0 INTs.

But most of the year he was sub 60% completion, 6.5 ypa or lower, and more INTs than TDs.

I wasn't on the Haskins train pre draft and while the skins roster, specifically the OL, wasn't good, neither was ours and Minshew did substantially better most weeks. Haskins did nothing to make me think he's a long term solution for them. However, being a high draft selection I think he deserves this year to show improvement.

If we're using hindsight, I'm taking Minshew over every rookie QB from the last season, save for maybe Kyler Murray. And I'd take Minshew over most of the 2018 class as well.


I think what most Caldwell bashers, for lack of a better word for sure, are missing is that even though Caldwell hasn't done a "great" job he's had some great moves. A few good picks, lay ups or not, a few really good FA signings, and a few trades where getting anything was a huge win (Gabbert, Foles, Bouye [if the pending cut rumor is to be believed]). I think you can both be critical and appreciative. I mean really there are a handful of GMs every year making boneheaded moves left and right, like trading away an elite WR for peanuts for example.

Who has ever said Caldwell hasn't hit on anything? having a few good picks and signings when you have record breaking levels of cap and high drafts picks is the minimum to be expected. Need to raise your expectations for how a front office should operate

I didn't say what you're saying. I'm saying there are plenty of posters saying Caldwell is absolute trash as GM.
I'm saying it's my opinion he's been okay. Plenty of people would disagree with my assessment saying he hasn't been okay. When in reality he could have been much worse.

And for the record, I was ready to move on (from everybody) this off season. Not because Caldwell has been "bad" but because he's been just okay. And in today's NFL just okay isn't good enough. But when people state their extreme views I feel the need to toss in my 2 cents to try and move the needle where I believe it should be.

I'm not trying to say Caldwell is great and we should be happy or feel lucky to have him by any means. Just trying to water down the hyperbole of how absolutely awful he's been.
I kinda wish we could have seen what he would have done without Coughlin here but we'll never know.

Anywho, I think he had a pretty solid draft this year, although I like many would have loved to see packaged picks for selections in higher rounds, and has made moves that put us back in the clear on the cap for the future. So barring a total meltdown of a 2020 season I think he's going to be around for 2021 as well. And as I've said I think you can be critical of Caldwell (2013 and 2014 drafts were not good) and still appreciate some things he's done (trades for bunk QBs and aging veterans).
My expectations for how a front office don't need to be raised. I expect better and I've never made any posts (at least recently) that state otherwise. But I also know I don't control who is the GM and I call people on their bull when I see it. I've seen some GMs do terrible jobs over the years. I've seen them miss on first round QBs. Some of them keep their jobs too long too. The Browns haven't been to a playoff game in 16 years and I'm pretty sure they swap out GMs every other year. The Lions have been to the playoffs 3 times with 0 wins since drafting Matt Stafford, we went with Blake frickin Bortles at QB. I could go on an on about the Jets, Phins, Cards, Raiders, and numerous other teams that have barely sniffed the playoffs over the last decade much less winning playoff games.... but I don't think I need to. Lots of teams have sucked and if we lucked into 2017, well lots of teams haven't even done that.

Just sayin' Caldwell hasn't been great, but he could have done a much worse job at roster building. He built the majority of the roster we went to the AFCCG with, TC had final say over that years draft rookies and certainly influenced a free agent or two to sign (Calais spoke of this particularly) and then that roster was mismanaged left and right throughout TC's years (he had the con) to leave us with the rebuild we're left with today.

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Who has ever said Caldwell hasn't hit on anything? having a few good picks and signings when you have record breaking levels of cap and high drafts picks is the minimum to be expected. Need to raise your expectations for how a front office should operate

You know how easy it is to spend like a mad man and get it wrong when you have all that money to spare?

2011 Eagles "dream team" comes to mind

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Who has ever said Caldwell hasn't hit on anything? having a few good picks and signings when you have record breaking levels of cap and high drafts picks is the minimum to be expected. Need to raise your expectations for how a front office should operate

You know how easy it is to spend like a mad man and get it wrong when you have all that money to spare?

Fun fact :  Caldwell has gotten it wrong in FA too! He's been GM since 2013 and the offensive line still isn't good, that's not just coaching

You guys make Caldwell sound like a top 10 GM every time there's something discussion on if he's good or not

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You know how easy it is to spend like a mad man and get it wrong when you have all that money to spare?

Fun fact :  Caldwell has gotten it wrong in FA too! He's been GM since 2013 and the offensive line still isn't good, that's not just coaching

You guys make Caldwell sound like a top 10 GM every time there's something discussion on if he's good or not

Except I've seen no one make such a claim of "top ten GM"
I've seen a few "16th-20th" ranked from some level headed posters to counter the 32nd and 33rd claims of many.
Hyperbole is fun...

The OL wasn't bad in 2017 when Fournette was a top rusher and we had Bortles at QB and we went to the AFCCG. 
(And remember when taking certain shots over the state of the roster today, Coughlin had the con for the past few seasons... So resigning Cann and signing Norwell to a massive deal in FA is just as much on him as it is Caldwell, perhaps more)

I get not wanting to back down from your extremist stance on Caldwell but you claiming people defending him as a top ten GM is laughable.
Most of us are just saying "for as bad as he has been, he isn't THAT bad when you look at it objectively"

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