The point is when The offense does something good It's not because of Trevor but when the offense does something bad it's because of Trevor... When the defense lets the opponent go 98 yards for a touchdown to take the lead it's Trevor's fault.... When the offense goes down the field to take the lead with minutes left in the 4th quarter It's not because of Trevor.... When the defense blows that lead with 2 minutes left it's because of Trevor.... Get my point now

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This guy gets it.

It's true unfortunately

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It’s about even to be honest. 

I think a fair argument can be made Trevor was a major reason for losing Houston, Philly, and Today. The other three games the defense were tossed salad

We were ahead with a little over 2 minutes to play.  The defense folded like a cheap suit.  I guess it's Trevor's fault.  Slacker should have been out there playing DB.

Even acknowledging Trevor's poor stretches of play, he ain't the problem.  We just don't have enough Jimmies and Joes on the defense yet.

We've lost 6 games by one score or less.  We are better.  Take a breath, everyone.

But but Trevor should have scored 70 points so it's his fault that the defense folded like a cheap suit

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You can defend Trevor if you want. I get it. He's still young and has a lot to learn. He still is full of potential and shows good things from time to time. That said, it's perfectly ok to put this one on Trevor's shoulders. Should the D have given up that TD? No. Probably not, but 21 is average in the league. Throwing 2 crucial INTs cost us more than that one TD.

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Seriously you just don't get it....take your comment "I give credit to Etienne. He's why the offense moved the ball. You like to say that Trevor led the team on a 4th quarter lead but the defense squandered it... he threw one completed pass for 25 yards and the rest of the plays were rushes".    then read my comments after....if you seriously don't get what I'm saying there's no hope...so when the offense does good it's not because of Trevor....when the offense does bad it's because of Trevor....when the defense completely lays down it's because of Trevor.... Trevor should have scored a gazillion points.... instead of REALIZING THAT TREVOR DID HIS JOB BY TAKING THE LEAD IN THE FIRST PLACE AND IT'S THE DEFENSES JOB TO MAKE A STOP.....

What in the actual [BLEEP] are you talking about?

If Trevor is the reason that we took the lead then he gets credit. But, today, he wasn't the reason. If the defense sucks, then it's obviously not Trevor's fault.

But, again, if you're going to say that the defense should hold the lead on the last drive of the game, then Trevor should also be able to take the lead on the last drive of the game.

You keep acting as if I'm saying the defense isn't to blame, but only Trevor is. I've never once said that. But you have also never said that Trevor is to blame. It's always the defense.

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I'm not expecting Trevor to come out and throw for 300 yards with 3 TDs every game. I'm just tired of his careless mistakes, bad reads, and lack of touch. Having an outside receiver that can get open deep doesn't mean [BLEEP] when Trevor can't even accurately place the ball down there.

Because the defense is to blame in multiple games where we had the lead late in the 4th quarter.... If the defense didn't blow leads Trevor wouldn't have to march down the field with less than 2 minutes to try to score a touchdown.... I said in other posts I only know a few quarterbacks that can march down the field with a minute left with no timeouts and score touchdown.... And even they can't do it all the time.... And they sure the hell didn't do it at the beginning of their careers.... I'm saying Trevor shouldn't be put in that situation... he runs the offense right? The team goes down and scores to take the lead with two minutes left in the game whether it's ETN that ran the whole time or it's Trevor who threw the ball the whole time doesn't matter.... The offense went down and scored to take the lead in the fourth quarter.... And the defense blew it... So like I said when the offense goes down and scores it's not because of Trevor it's because the ETN....but if the offense doesn't score it's because of Trevor.... You can't have it both ways

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Lol no you said it wasn't Trevor that took the lead it was ETN.....

Because it was. How did he take the lead in that 4th quarter drive? Did I watch the wrong game?

The drive that took the lead consisted of 6 plays and went 47 yards. The plays went as followed...

1st down - Pass to Kirk for 25 yards.
1st down - ETN rush for 11 yards.
1st down - Zay Jones rush for 7 yards.
2nd down - ETN rush 3 yards.
1st down - ETN rush no gain.
2nd down - ETN rush 1 yard TD.

So that's 25 yards for Trevor on the drive. 15 yards for ETN and 7 for Zay.

He definitely jump started the drive and played a part in that TD drive. How can you say he didn't?

Our Defense then proceeded to let them go 80 yards on 7 plays in 2 minutes and that's been the theme for this team.

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What the [BLEEP] is this "Trevor doesn't play defense" garbage on this thread?  HE THREW FOR ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE YARDS TODAY.  HE HAD A FOUR POINT THREE YPA.  HE THREW TWO BONEHEADED INTS.

Jesus [BLEEP] Christ

Yet he took the lead and put us ahead with two minutes left in the game.... The second interception should never happened because the defense should have done their job.... Yeah the first one's on him should have threw it away or how about the offensive coordinator should have had a run play in that situation.... Quit looking at the stats and watch the actual game.... Did he or did he not lead us down the field and score a touchdown to take the lead at the end of the game like he has in multiple games... Did or did not the defense blow those leads in multiple games.... [BLEEP] the stats....

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You can defend Trevor if you want. I get it. He's still young and has a lot to learn. He still is full of potential and shows good things from time to time. That said, it's perfectly ok to put this one on Trevor's shoulders. Should the D have given up that TD? No. Probably not, but 21 is average in the league. Throwing 2 crucial INTs cost us more than that one TD.

They shouldn't have let them go 99 yards either and that Broncos Offense isn't average. They stink. They looked average going against our awful Defense, but that Offense is the worst Offense in the league. This season they've scored 16 points, 16 points, 11 points, 23 points, 9 points, 16 points, 9 points and 21 points.

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What the [BLEEP] is this "Trevor doesn't play defense" garbage on this thread?  HE THREW FOR ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE YARDS TODAY.  HE HAD A FOUR POINT THREE YPA.  HE THREW TWO BONEHEADED INTS.

Jesus [BLEEP] Christ

Take it down a notch, dude. Yes, he played subpar today - anyone with a working brain can see that. ETN is the star today and was the primary reason we were winning late in the game. The Eagles game is completely on Trevor even if the weather was a hurricane (gotta take care of the ball in all situations, not just some). 

However, when your offense scores late in the game to take the lead, the defense is expected to hold that lead, especially when you’re playing an offense that’s ranked near the bottom of the league in scoring. The primary reason we lost the game is because our secondary couldn’t cover even their slot receivers downfield. This happened against Washington and Indy (2nd time) as well. That’s 3 wins we could’ve had if they had kept things in front of them.

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You can defend Trevor if you want. I get it. He's still young and has a lot to learn. He still is full of potential and shows good things from time to time. That said, it's perfectly ok to put this one on Trevor's shoulders. Should the D have given up that TD? No. Probably not, but 21 is average in the league. Throwing 2 crucial INTs cost us more than that one TD.

But the TD at the end cost us the game. Up until that time, we had scored enough to win.  I don't understand what is so hard to understand about that.

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Fix the O-Line!

What in the actual [BLEEP] are you talking about?

If Trevor is the reason that we took the lead then he gets credit. But, today, he wasn't the reason. If the defense sucks, then it's obviously not Trevor's fault.

But, again, if you're going to say that the defense should hold the lead on the last drive of the game, then Trevor should also be able to take the lead on the last drive of the game.

You keep acting as if I'm saying the defense isn't to blame, but only Trevor is. I've never once said that. But you have also never said that Trevor is to blame. It's always the defense.

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I'm not expecting Trevor to come out and throw for 300 yards with 3 TDs every game. I'm just tired of his careless mistakes, bad reads, and lack of touch. Having an outside receiver that can get open deep doesn't mean [BLEEP] when Trevor can't even accurately place the ball down there.

Because the defense is to blame in multiple games where we had the lead late in the 4th quarter.... If the defense didn't blow leads Trevor wouldn't have to march down the field with less than 2 minutes to try to score a touchdown.... I said in other posts I only know a few quarterbacks that can march down the field with a minute left with no timeouts and score touchdown.... And even they can't do it all the time.... And they sure the hell didn't do it at the beginning of their careers.... I'm saying Trevor shouldn't be put in that situation... he runs the offense right? The team goes down and scores to take the lead with two minutes left in the game whether it's ETN that ran the whole time or it's Trevor who threw the ball the whole time doesn't matter.... The offense went down and scored to take the lead in the fourth quarter.... And the defense blew it... So like I said when the offense goes down and scores it's not because of Trevor it's because the ETN....but if the offense doesn't score it's because of Trevor.... You can't have it both ways

How many points is the defense giving up per game? What are their rankings?

Sure they are giving up leads late but let's no forget that they have kept the offense in the lead for most of the game. The TOP is usually stacked against them.

The offense isn't scoring enough and disappears every week around the same point. The QB makes a lot of people better on both sides of the ball. If the Jags won't disappear after the scripted plays, then maybe the defense wouldn't have to play the rest of the game without a break.

There are issues on both sides of the ball but the biggest and most important is the QB. He is mentally broken and that can't easily be repaired. Generally you have it or you don't. He hasn't lost much and him being the fault hasn't really happened until he got into the NFL. Unless the bye week helps him, he may play himself to a spot on the bench and a seat behind the next #1 QB drafted for the Jags.

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You can defend Trevor if you want. I get it. He's still young and has a lot to learn. He still is full of potential and shows good things from time to time. That said, it's perfectly ok to put this one on Trevor's shoulders. Should the D have given up that TD? No. Probably not, but 21 is average in the league. Throwing 2 crucial INTs cost us more than that one TD.

But the TD at the end cost us the game. Up until that time, we had scored enough to win.  I don't understand what is so hard to understand about that.

Go up 14-0 and the entire atmosphere of the game changes. We saw this at home against the tinhorns.

Admit it. You knew, the moment he threw that pick on that 2nd drive that this was it. This is the game its going to be. This will be why we lose today.

Its the same song and dance with this team now every week. Its predictably bad now.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

You can defend Trevor if you want. I get it. He's still young and has a lot to learn. He still is full of potential and shows good things from time to time. That said, it's perfectly ok to put this one on Trevor's shoulders. Should the D have given up that TD? No. Probably not, but 21 is average in the league. Throwing 2 crucial INTs cost us more than that one TD.

But the TD at the end cost us the game. Up until that time, we had scored enough to win.  I don't understand what is so hard to understand about that.

You are arguing semantics, if he doesn't throw the INT in the end zone, they at least get a FG. They should have had a TD if he runs it. Then the last score doesn't matter. Yes you can say the defense gave up the lead but that doesn't mean they played worse than the offense.

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Because the defense is to blame in multiple games where we had the lead late in the 4th quarter.... If the defense didn't blow leads Trevor wouldn't have to march down the field with less than 2 minutes to try to score a touchdown.... I said in other posts I only know a few quarterbacks that can march down the field with a minute left with no timeouts and score touchdown.... And even they can't do it all the time.... And they sure the hell didn't do it at the beginning of their careers.... I'm saying Trevor shouldn't be put in that situation... he runs the offense right? The team goes down and scores to take the lead with two minutes left in the game whether it's ETN that ran the whole time or it's Trevor who threw the ball the whole time doesn't matter.... The offense went down and scored to take the lead in the fourth quarter.... And the defense blew it... So like I said when the offense goes down and scores it's not because of Trevor it's because the ETN....but if the offense doesn't score it's because of Trevor.... You can't have it both ways

How many points is the defense giving up per game? What are their rankings?

Sure they are giving up leads late but let's no forget that they have kept the offense in the lead for most of the game. The TOP is usually stacked against them.

The offense isn't scoring enough and disappears every week around the same point. The QB makes a lot of people better on both sides of the ball. If the Jags won't disappear after the scripted plays, then maybe the defense wouldn't have to play the rest of the game without a break.

There are issues on both sides of the ball but the biggest and most important is the QB. He is mentally broken and that can't easily be repaired. Generally you have it or you don't. He hasn't lost much and him being the fault hasn't really happened until he got into the NFL. Unless the bye week helps him, he may play himself to a spot on the bench and a seat behind the next #1 QB drafted for the Jags.

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The defense is the 11th best in ppg.  So just out of the top 10

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Because the defense is to blame in multiple games where we had the lead late in the 4th quarter.... If the defense didn't blow leads Trevor wouldn't have to march down the field with less than 2 minutes to try to score a touchdown.... I said in other posts I only know a few quarterbacks that can march down the field with a minute left with no timeouts and score touchdown.... And even they can't do it all the time.... And they sure the hell didn't do it at the beginning of their careers.... I'm saying Trevor shouldn't be put in that situation... he runs the offense right? The team goes down and scores to take the lead with two minutes left in the game whether it's ETN that ran the whole time or it's Trevor who threw the ball the whole time doesn't matter.... The offense went down and scored to take the lead in the fourth quarter.... And the defense blew it... So like I said when the offense goes down and scores it's not because of Trevor it's because the ETN....but if the offense doesn't score it's because of Trevor.... You can't have it both ways

How many points is the defense giving up per game? What are their rankings?

Sure they are giving up leads late but let's no forget that they have kept the offense in the lead for most of the game. The TOP is usually stacked against them.

The offense isn't scoring enough and disappears every week around the same point. The QB makes a lot of people better on both sides of the ball. If the Jags won't disappear after the scripted plays, then maybe the defense wouldn't have to play the rest of the game without a break.

There are issues on both sides of the ball but the biggest and most important is the QB. He is mentally broken and that can't easily be repaired. Generally you have it or you don't. He hasn't lost much and him being the fault hasn't really happened until he got into the NFL. Unless the bye week helps him, he may play himself to a spot on the bench and a seat behind the next #1 QB drafted for the Jags.

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I mean this Offense just gave them nearly a full quarter of straight rest just 2 weeks ago vs the colts and they still blew it. Let Matt Ryan (who got benched a week later btw) go 70 yards on 11 plays in the final 2 minutes after sitting on the sideline for 10 minutes of game time. They stink just as bad when they're rested.

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Think you guys need to do what this blokes doing

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsvyjePPFRs

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Guys, we get it. The offense and the defense are below average.

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What the [BLEEP] is this "Trevor doesn't play defense" garbage on this thread?  HE THREW FOR ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE YARDS TODAY.  HE HAD A FOUR POINT THREE YPA.  HE THREW TWO BONEHEADED INTS.

Jesus [BLEEP] Christ

Take it down a notch, dude. Yes, he played subpar today - anyone with a working brain can see that. ETN is the star today and was the primary reason we were winning late in the game. The Eagles game is completely on Trevor even if the weather was a hurricane (gotta take care of the ball in all situations, not just some). 

However, when your offense scores late in the game to take the lead, the defense is expected to hold that lead, especially when you’re playing an offense that’s ranked near the bottom of the league in scoring. The primary reason we lost the game is because our secondary couldn’t cover even their slot receivers downfield. This happened against Washington and Indy (2nd time) as well. That’s 3 wins we could’ve had if they had kept things in front of them.

This is all I was saying

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You can defend Trevor if you want. I get it. He's still young and has a lot to learn. He still is full of potential and shows good things from time to time. That said, it's perfectly ok to put this one on Trevor's shoulders. Should the D have given up that TD? No. Probably not, but 21 is average in the league. Throwing 2 crucial INTs cost us more than that one TD.

But the TD at the end cost us the game. Up until that time, we had scored enough to win.  I don't understand what is so hard to understand about that.

Bingo...they don't get it

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How many points is the defense giving up per game? What are their rankings?

Sure they are giving up leads late but let's no forget that they have kept the offense in the lead for most of the game. The TOP is usually stacked against them.

The offense isn't scoring enough and disappears every week around the same point. The QB makes a lot of people better on both sides of the ball. If the Jags won't disappear after the scripted plays, then maybe the defense wouldn't have to play the rest of the game without a break.

There are issues on both sides of the ball but the biggest and most important is the QB. He is mentally broken and that can't easily be repaired. Generally you have it or you don't. He hasn't lost much and him being the fault hasn't really happened until he got into the NFL. Unless the bye week helps him, he may play himself to a spot on the bench and a seat behind the next #1 QB drafted for the Jags.

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I mean this Offense just gave them nearly a full quarter of straight rest just 2 weeks ago vs the colts and they still blew it. Let Matt Ryan (who got benched a week later btw) go 70 yards on 11 plays in the final 2 minutes after sitting on the sideline for 10 minutes of game time. They stink just as bad when they're rested.

I guess that was Trevor's fault also....they rested too long lol...it would help if these people didn't have short term memory and knew what they were talking about

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This team simply doesn't know how to close out games.
https://twitter.com/Ballou1010xl/status/...6942628865

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Trade picks and TLaw to the Ravens in the offseason for Lamar and we'll be back to winning squad just like that.

As in Lamar Jackson?  That is a terrible idea.  That's just what we need,  a running QB behind a bad offensive line.

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It's frustrating to have 4th quarter leads just not hold up and then inevitably fail on offense or defense at the end of the game. We're competitive, which is progress over years past. Still losers, but competitive.

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This team simply doesn't know how to close out games.
https://twitter.com/Ballou1010xl/status/...6942628865

Interesting....and what side of the of the team loses the lead....the defense

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This team simply doesn't know how to close out games.
https://twitter.com/Ballou1010xl/status/...6942628865

Trevor has to do 2 game winning drives a game then I guess.

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