Agreed. We need to go all in on offense next off season. A lot easier to pressure a QB when you hang 14 or 17 points on them early and force them into catch up mode. This offense can do that with Lawrence and Pederson. Just need to give him a little bit more time in the passing game and another viable and explosive receiving threat or two. All I want to hear next year is how hard it is to get all this great talent out on the football field at the same time with Lawrence for him to pick you apart with.

There's a ton of evidence from the past and presently that supports this path of developing your top flight QB. Polian built his team around Manning offensively early and often. The Jets did it for Wilson. The Patriots did it last year for Mac Jones at the TE position. Miami went up to bat for Tua and it's paying early dividends. Philadelphia went out and built around Hurts, etc.

Whose side are you arguing?  The Jets used two out of their three first-rounders on defense.  They even prioritized cornerback over a wide receiver.  It is their improvement on defense, which now has them ranked in the top 10, that has improved their record.  Their offense is ranked in the bottom 5 in the NFL.

They drafted Garrett Wilson 10th overall at WR, Breece Hall 36th overall (Was playing like an OROY candidate prior to his season ending injury) & Jeremy Ruckert in the 3rd round at TE. They also took Vera-Tucker, OL 14th overall last year and Elijah Moore 34th overall and Michael Carter in the 4th RD to go along with Wilson in his class. 

Wilson is now benched. They tried building around him and he can't get it done. Would say it's a bit of both but clearly the coaching staff and front office agrees it's the QB right now costing them games in spite of adding pieces around him in high value rounds.

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Number one need is pass rusher IMO

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Number one need is pass rusher IMO

I agree. Problem is where are you getting it from in this draft? If you take Carter in the top ten that should really be all you do defensively in that draft. You already drafted Walker first overall to fill that need. Which he will need to show he's capable of after a full season is put away. You also have Allen entering his 5th and final year on his contract here. They had a chance to trade him earlier this month. They opted to keep him for a reason.

Carter probably won't be there so then the conversation shifts to who is more valuable? A top CB or top WR? Do you think Ringo is an elite CB that has more to offer than Johnston at WR? Then that also raises questions because you invested in Darious Williams this year to more than likely replace Griffin. We keep getting into these weird, almost, abusive relationships with ourselves at a cyclical level with pass rushers and cover corners. Revolving door of backfilling. Tired of it.

My belief is that you can make your pass rush more effective by scoring more points early and often on offense. Let this defense get a chance to pin it's ears back in a 2nd half of contests instead of being in this constant chess match of thinking run or pass in close games. The amount of money and draft picks spent on this defense over the last two, three years is really enough IMHO. They just need to keep developing and building experience and chemistry.

Giving Mike Caldwell a bit of a break here as well. This is his first year truly managing a defense, calling the plays, scheming, etc. I think him and this current starting defense will look a lot better next year. It's the offense that needs another facelift. TE, WR and G all need some work in the off season. Maybe Henderson is the 2 to the 1-2 punch we need with Etienne so hopefully that's one less thing to worry about. But, if not? Eric Gray from the Sooners in RD6 would be ideal.

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Number one need is pass rusher IMO

Agreed, followed by corner

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I’m starting to lean towards pass rusher. After reeling back my excitement after week 1, Walker might be a DT. Still a lot of football left, but that’s how I feel right now.

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I’m starting to lean towards pass rusher. After reeling back my excitement after week 1, Walker might be a DT. Still a lot of football left, but that’s how I feel right now.

I don't know I think he can still play linebacker. Walker still needs to improve his technique wherever he plays.
DT or OLB doesn't matter if you just bullrush into O-linemen all the time.

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CB, pass rusher, WR would all be good. I wouldn't complain about any of them. But we might have our pass rusher, if Walker develops and Josh Allen gets back on track. And we might have our WR in Calvin Ridley. But we don't have anyone at CB. And we lost several games this year in the last minute when a CB lost his matchup. So I lean toward CB.

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CB, pass rusher, WR would all be good.  I wouldn't complain about any of them.  But we might have our pass rusher, if Walker develops and Josh Allen gets back on track.  And we might have our WR in Calvin Ridley.  But we don't have anyone at CB.  And we lost several games this year in the last minute when a CB lost his matchup.  So I lean toward CB.

CB - need a top prospect in round 1 or 2
DL - edge rusher prospects, interior rusher
Guard - need to draft a starter to supplant Bartsch or replace Scherff in '24
WR - draft another speed receiver

use the surplus of late round picks to add another pick in round 2 or 3

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CB, pass rusher, WR would all be good.  I wouldn't complain about any of them.  But we might have our pass rusher, if Walker develops and Josh Allen gets back on track.  And we might have our WR in Calvin Ridley.  But we don't have anyone at CB.  And we lost several games this year in the last minute when a CB lost his matchup.  So I lean toward CB.

CB - need a top prospect in round 1 or 2
DL - edge rusher prospects, interior rusher
Guard - need to draft a starter to supplant Bartsch or replace Scherff in '24
WR - draft another speed receiver

use the surplus of late round picks to add another pick in round 2 or 3

Adding a TE (even if Engram is resigned) and probably a RT to this

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Whose side are you arguing?  The Jets used two out of their three first-rounders on defense.  They even prioritized cornerback over a wide receiver.  It is their improvement on defense, which now has them ranked in the top 10, that has improved their record.  Their offense is ranked in the bottom 5 in the NFL.

They drafted Garrett Wilson 10th overall at WR, Breece Hall 36th overall (Was playing like an OROY candidate prior to his season ending injury) & Jeremy Ruckert in the 3rd round at TE. They also took Vera-Tucker, OL 14th overall last year and Elijah Moore 34th overall and Michael Carter in the 4th RD to go along with Wilson in his class. 

Wilson is now benched. They tried building around him and he can't get it done. Would say it's a bit of both but clearly the coaching staff and front office agrees it's the QB right now costing them games in spite of adding pieces around him in high value rounds.

I would put it this way:

2021 New York Jets

Offense Rank: 26
Defense Rank: 32
Winning Percentage: .235

2022 New York Jets (through 10 games)

Offense Rank: 28
Defense Rank: 9
Winning Percentage: .600

Defense doesn't matter?

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I agree that proper draft evaluation is the key.  Taking the best player is more important than taking offense versus defense.  That's definitely true and is the key to the draft.

That being said, if deciding among players with roughly equal projected talent, I look for the player that will represent the biggest improvement to the team.  Let's say a player's talent is rated on a scale from 1 to 100 with 100 being the best.  Let's also hypothetically say that we have the opportunity to draft an 80 at a specific offensive position or an 80 at a specific defensive position.  If the offensive pick plays at a position where you already have a 70, that's only 10 points of improvement.  If the defensive pick plays at a position where you currently have a 30, that's 50 points of improvement.  I want the most improvement for the team.  I want 50 points of improvement versus only 10.  That's why I go position by position and not "offense vs defense."  It's a pretty basic concept and some would even say it is common sense, but it is amazing how many people argue against common sense.

Your way of thinking was fine in the 1990s, but in the modern NFL offensive players of comparable talent to defensive players are worth twice as much. That's just the way they've made the game work now, spending high draft and free agent capital on defenders should come right after you got your running back; ie the last piece of the puzzle.

We may have to agree to disagree.  NFL teams disagree with you too.  Both offense and defense counts.  The first round of last year's draft was split straight down the middle with 16 offensive players and 16 defensive players.  The second round actually slightly favored the defense with 17 defensive players compared to 15 offensive players.  If you have a slight preference towards offense, that's fine.  To say that you should 100% go offense and ignore defense, I disagree.

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CB, pass rusher, WR would all be good.  I wouldn't complain about any of them.  But we might have our pass rusher, if Walker develops and Josh Allen gets back on track.  And we might have our WR in Calvin Ridley.  But we don't have anyone at CB.  And we lost several games this year in the last minute when a CB lost his matchup.  So I lean toward CB.

This is logical.  I agree.

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Your way of thinking was fine in the 1990s, but in the modern NFL offensive players of comparable talent to defensive players are worth twice as much. That's just the way they've made the game work now, spending high draft and free agent capital on defenders should come right after you got your running back; ie the last piece of the puzzle.

We may have to agree to disagree.  NFL teams disagree with you too.  Both offense and defense counts.  The first round of last year's draft was split straight down the middle with 16 offensive players and 16 defensive players.  The second round actually slightly favored the defense with 17 defensive players compared to 15 offensive players.  If you have a slight preference towards offense, that's fine.  To say that you should 100% go offense and ignore defense, I disagree.

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CB, pass rusher, WR would all be good.  I wouldn't complain about any of them.  But we might have our pass rusher, if Walker develops and Josh Allen gets back on track.  And we might have our WR in Calvin Ridley.  But we don't have anyone at CB.  And we lost several games this year in the last minute when a CB lost his matchup.  So I lean toward CB.

This is logical.  I agree.

While true, the first 5 picks were defense. You have to have a pass rush and corners in today's league. Very important in NFL history really but as important today as ever

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We may have to agree to disagree.  NFL teams disagree with you too.  Both offense and defense counts.  The first round of last year's draft was split straight down the middle with 16 offensive players and 16 defensive players.  The second round actually slightly favored the defense with 17 defensive players compared to 15 offensive players.  If you have a slight preference towards offense, that's fine.  To say that you should 100% go offense and ignore defense, I disagree.

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This is logical.  I agree.

While true, the first 5 picks were defense.  You have to have a pass rush and corners in today's league.  Very important in NFL history really but as important today as ever

Now do 2021. How many of the first 10 picks were offense?

7 of 10 were drafted on offense. And 12 of the first 15 were offense.

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While true, the first 5 picks were defense.  You have to have a pass rush and corners in today's league.  Very important in NFL history really but as important today as ever

Now do 2021. How many of the first 10 picks were offense?

7 of 10 were drafted on offense. And 12 of the first 15 were offense.

You could go through and nit pick every draft but the most recent draft the top 5 were defense.  Goes to show its as important as ever

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Now do 2021. How many of the first 10 picks were offense?

7 of 10 were drafted on offense. And 12 of the first 15 were offense.

You could go through and nit pick every draft but the most recent draft the top 5 were defense.  Goes to show its as important as ever

Goes to show bad teams do things that keep them bad.

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Now do 2021. How many of the first 10 picks were offense?

7 of 10 were drafted on offense. And 12 of the first 15 were offense.

You could go through and nit pick every draft but the most recent draft the top 5 were defense.  Goes to show its as important as ever

That makes zero sense hahaha

In 2020, 9/15 were offense.
2021, 12/15 were offense.
2022, 8/15 were offense.

29/45 which would be 65%. 65% of the first half of the draft has been offense the last 3 years.

That’s a trend if I’ve ever seen one. And yet the Jags went pass rusher and 2 linebackers with their first 3 picks. Going the wrong way.

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You could go through and nit pick every draft but the most recent draft the top 5 were defense.  Goes to show its as important as ever

That makes zero sense hahaha

In 2020, 9/15 were offense.
2021, 12/15 were offense.
2022, 8/15 were offense.

29/45 which would be 65%. 65% of the first half of the draft has been offense the last 3 years.

That’s a trend if I’ve ever seen one. And yet the Jags went pass rusher and 2 linebackers with their first 3 picks. Going the wrong way.

It makes zero sense that the first 5 picks were defense?   After QB this year, defense will once again be taken over any other position.  If we want to look at the whole draft, more CBs were taken than any other position, 2nd? LB

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Jags went pass rush - LB - O Line with their first 3 picks. Each draft is different with the top-level talent available. Defense (especially pass rush and CB play) is still very important. Other than taking a shot on Pickens at the time - what would anyone have done differently within reason at the time?

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Jags went pass rush - LB - O Line with their first 3 picks. Each draft is different with the top-level talent available. Defense (especially pass rush and CB play) is still very important. Other than taking a shot on Pickens at the time - what would anyone have done differently within reason at the time?

The problem is that this team has repeatedly passed on great offensive talent to take ok to terrible defensive players for years. It's time to break that cycle and move into the modern NFL.

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