So, what do you guys think of who's left on the team?

I like the QB, RB, WR and TE room. I don't think any mistakes were made here. The OL is what it is. Only glaring concerns are carrying over Fortner at OC, Hodges at OG/OC & Foster at OT. Between poor play with Fortner and inexperience with Hodges and Foster, it's a little concerning depth wise. 

For those crying over Foster. He was making the team, regardless of what you saw out there. He's a swing tackle in development with more upside than anybody else at the moment. You're looking at potentially Walker Little replacing Cam Robinson next year as a full time starter and that then opens up the back-up swing tackle role to Foster. 

That was their intentions all along. Hodges getting some snaps at OC is an insurance plan if Morse falls and Fortner sucks. Again, all of this made sense back on draft day, it made sense during training camp and it makes even more sense now on paper. Would we want better depth? Sure, that's roughly 90% of the NFL though with their OL group.

Defensively. I think the LB depth is great. I think our secondary is promising. Absolutely LOVE seeing Prince and Jones on this roster together as rookies. They'll have opportunities to make plays on the football this year for sure. I also LOVE seeing Myles Cole on this roster. Along with Otomewo and Ledbetter. 

This is the BEST looking defensive line group we've had on paper in my opinion since 2017's defense, and, this shouldn't surprise anybody anymore as to why Gipson was shipped off yesterday. PLENTY of beef, power, speed, agility and rotational options here now. The versatility between Walker, Hines-Allen & Armstead is going to be fun to watch this year. 

I think Abdullah and Lloyd will have some shots at the QB rushing the passer as well at times. 

Can't complain about special teams. Not much to touch on there. Cooke is one of the best in the business. Little has a cannon for a leg as a rookie and Matiscik brings the hit stick as a LS.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

They're definitely going to be adding to the CB and edge room.

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PS predictions and hopefuls?

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PS predictions and hopefuls?

Christian Braswell at CB, Austin Trammell at WR and Steven Jones at OG would be my best predictions and hopefuls.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

They're definitely going to be adding to the CB and edge room.

Maybe, maybe not:

Secondary:
Andre Cisco - S
Darnell Savage - S/Nickel
Daniel Thomas - S/Special Teams
Jarrian Jones - CB3/Nickel
De'Antre Prince - CB5
Ronald Darby - CB2
Antonio Johnson - S/Nickel 
Montaric Brown - CB4
Tyson Campbell - CB1 

I don't think they can really add much more there. You have Campbell and Darby as your outside corners. You have Jones, Brown and Prince as your third, fourth and fifth corners. Your safety room offers nickel versatility as well in heavier packages. This also still leaves the door open for Wingard and/or Gipson's return to the active roster. Which will be in October at the earliest I believe. 

EDGE:
Joshua Hines-Allen - DE
Travon Walker - DE
Myles Cole - DE
Arik Armstead - DE
Devin Lloyd - Potential EDGE backer at OLB
Yasir Abdullah - Potential EDGE backer at OLB

This doesn't factor in Hamilton and Maason Smith's presence inside and ability to effect the passer. You then have an interesting mix of Otomewo, Ledbetter, Lacy, Jefferson and RHH. 

Just don't see where you add much onto this group. If it's ANY group I would be eyeing right now on the roster? It's the offensive line room. Due to lack of experience, injury concerns and overall play as a team.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Bethard is also waved/injury settlement. He eligible for PS with that designation or we cutting ties with him?

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Bethard is also waved/injury settlement. He eligible for PS with that designation or we cutting ties with him?

He'd revert to IR and then PS once able to practice if they keep him. 

No idea their intent though.

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Bethard is also waved/injury settlement. He eligible for PS with that designation or we cutting ties with him?

He'll probably get scooped up somewhere I would imagine. Possibly ends back up in San Francisco.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I believe injury settlement means he's not going on ir, and can just be signed anywhere as a free agent. That includes the practice squad.

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So, what do you guys think of who's left on the team?

I like the QB, RB, WR and TE room. I don't think any mistakes were made here. The OL is what it is. Only glaring concerns are carrying over Fortner at OC, Hodges at OG/OC & Foster at OT. Between poor play with Fortner and inexperience with Hodges and Foster, it's a little concerning depth wise. 

For those crying over Foster. He was making the team, regardless of what you saw out there. He's a swing tackle in development with more upside than anybody else at the moment. You're looking at potentially Walker Little replacing Cam Robinson next year as a full time starter and that then opens up the back-up swing tackle role to Foster. 

That was their intentions all along. Hodges getting some snaps at OC is an insurance plan if Morse falls and Fortner sucks. Again, all of this made sense back on draft day, it made sense during training camp and it makes even more sense now on paper. Would we want better depth? Sure, that's roughly 90% of the NFL though with their OL group.

Defensively. I think the LB depth is great. I think our secondary is promising. Absolutely LOVE seeing Prince and Jones on this roster together as rookies. They'll have opportunities to make plays on the football this year for sure. I also LOVE seeing Myles Cole on this roster. Along with Otomewo and Ledbetter. 

This is the BEST looking defensive line group we've had on paper in my opinion since 2017's defense, and, this shouldn't surprise anybody anymore as to why Gipson was shipped off yesterday. PLENTY of beef, power, speed, agility and rotational options here now. The versatility between Walker, Hines-Allen & Armstead is going to be fun to watch this year. 

I think Abdullah and Lloyd will have some shots at the QB rushing the passer as well at times. 

Can't complain about special teams. Not much to touch on there. Cooke is one of the best in the business. Little has a cannon for a leg as a rookie and Matiscik brings the hit stick as a LS.

Both Little and Robinson are free agents after the year and I expect both to move on. I think Foster will be the right and Harrison will flip to the left.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

They're definitely going to be adding to the CB and edge room.

Maybe, maybe not:

Secondary:
Andre Cisco - S
Darnell Savage - S/Nickel
Daniel Thomas - S/Special Teams
Jarrian Jones - CB3/Nickel
De'Antre Prince - CB5
Ronald Darby - CB2
Antonio Johnson - S/Nickel 
Montaric Brown - CB4
Tyson Campbell - CB1 

I don't think they can really add much more there. You have Campbell and Darby as your outside corners. You have Jones, Brown and Prince as your third, fourth and fifth corners. Your safety room offers nickel versatility as well in heavier packages. This also still leaves the door open for Wingard and/or Gipson's return to the active roster. Which will be in October at the earliest I believe. 

EDGE:
Joshua Hines-Allen - DE
Travon Walker - DE
Myles Cole - DE
Arik Armstead - DE
Devin Lloyd - Potential EDGE backer at OLB
Yasir Abdullah - Potential EDGE backer at OLB

This doesn't factor in Hamilton and Maason Smith's presence inside and ability to effect the passer. You then have an interesting mix of Otomewo, Ledbetter, Lacy, Jefferson and RHH. 

Just don't see where you add much onto this group. If it's ANY group I would be eyeing right now on the roster? It's the offensive line room. Due to lack of experience, injury concerns and overall play as a team.

So relying on 7th round pick Myles Cole, 5th round Abdullah who hasn't shown anything and Lloyd? As pass rushers in case something happens to Walker or HA?

Like I said, they need EDGE depth. Not overall Dline but the edge.

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Only possible surprises are Caleb Johnson and Otomewo. Although I think Johnson is great on ST. Otherwise it's about as expected.

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I like the QB, RB, WR and TE room. I don't think any mistakes were made here. The OL is what it is. Only glaring concerns are carrying over Fortner at OC, Hodges at OG/OC & Foster at OT. Between poor play with Fortner and inexperience with Hodges and Foster, it's a little concerning depth wise. 

For those crying over Foster. He was making the team, regardless of what you saw out there. He's a swing tackle in development with more upside than anybody else at the moment. You're looking at potentially Walker Little replacing Cam Robinson next year as a full time starter and that then opens up the back-up swing tackle role to Foster. 

That was their intentions all along. Hodges getting some snaps at OC is an insurance plan if Morse falls and Fortner sucks. Again, all of this made sense back on draft day, it made sense during training camp and it makes even more sense now on paper. Would we want better depth? Sure, that's roughly 90% of the NFL though with their OL group.

Defensively. I think the LB depth is great. I think our secondary is promising. Absolutely LOVE seeing Prince and Jones on this roster together as rookies. They'll have opportunities to make plays on the football this year for sure. I also LOVE seeing Myles Cole on this roster. Along with Otomewo and Ledbetter. 

This is the BEST looking defensive line group we've had on paper in my opinion since 2017's defense, and, this shouldn't surprise anybody anymore as to why Gipson was shipped off yesterday. PLENTY of beef, power, speed, agility and rotational options here now. The versatility between Walker, Hines-Allen & Armstead is going to be fun to watch this year. 

I think Abdullah and Lloyd will have some shots at the QB rushing the passer as well at times. 

Can't complain about special teams. Not much to touch on there. Cooke is one of the best in the business. Little has a cannon for a leg as a rookie and Matiscik brings the hit stick as a LS.

Both Little and Robinson are free agents after the year and I expect both to move on. I think Foster will be the right and Harrison will flip to the left.

I agree with this.

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I like the QB, RB, WR and TE room. I don't think any mistakes were made here. The OL is what it is. Only glaring concerns are carrying over Fortner at OC, Hodges at OG/OC & Foster at OT. Between poor play with Fortner and inexperience with Hodges and Foster, it's a little concerning depth wise. 

For those crying over Foster. He was making the team, regardless of what you saw out there. He's a swing tackle in development with more upside than anybody else at the moment. You're looking at potentially Walker Little replacing Cam Robinson next year as a full time starter and that then opens up the back-up swing tackle role to Foster. 

That was their intentions all along. Hodges getting some snaps at OC is an insurance plan if Morse falls and Fortner sucks. Again, all of this made sense back on draft day, it made sense during training camp and it makes even more sense now on paper. Would we want better depth? Sure, that's roughly 90% of the NFL though with their OL group.

Defensively. I think the LB depth is great. I think our secondary is promising. Absolutely LOVE seeing Prince and Jones on this roster together as rookies. They'll have opportunities to make plays on the football this year for sure. I also LOVE seeing Myles Cole on this roster. Along with Otomewo and Ledbetter. 

This is the BEST looking defensive line group we've had on paper in my opinion since 2017's defense, and, this shouldn't surprise anybody anymore as to why Gipson was shipped off yesterday. PLENTY of beef, power, speed, agility and rotational options here now. The versatility between Walker, Hines-Allen & Armstead is going to be fun to watch this year. 

I think Abdullah and Lloyd will have some shots at the QB rushing the passer as well at times. 

Can't complain about special teams. Not much to touch on there. Cooke is one of the best in the business. Little has a cannon for a leg as a rookie and Matiscik brings the hit stick as a LS.

Both Little and Robinson are free agents after the year and I expect both to move on. I think Foster will be the right and Harrison will flip to the left.

Little I think they'll figure out a way to resign him for a fair deal. He's had limited starting experience and asked to play LT, LG and RT with various starts. He's earned another contract with this football team. 

Harrison to LT makes sense. Keeping Little to duke it out with Foster in year two at RT makes even more sense to me on paper. Spares the team having to find yet another player via the draft or free agency to develop when you already had Little here for three years in this system with Pederson and Taylor.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

They're definitely going to be adding to the CB and edge room.

Maybe, maybe not:

Secondary:
Andre Cisco - S
Darnell Savage - S/Nickel
Daniel Thomas - S/Special Teams
Jarrian Jones - CB3/Nickel
De'Antre Prince - CB5
Ronald Darby - CB2
Antonio Johnson - S/Nickel 
Montaric Brown - CB4
Tyson Campbell - CB1 

I don't think they can really add much more there. You have Campbell and Darby as your outside corners. You have Jones, Brown and Prince as your third, fourth and fifth corners. Your safety room offers nickel versatility as well in heavier packages. This also still leaves the door open for Wingard and/or Gipson's return to the active roster. Which will be in October at the earliest I believe. 

EDGE:
Joshua Hines-Allen - DE
Travon Walker - DE
Myles Cole - DE
Arik Armstead - DE
Devin Lloyd - Potential EDGE backer at OLB
Yasir Abdullah - Potential EDGE backer at OLB

This doesn't factor in Hamilton and Maason Smith's presence inside and ability to effect the passer. You then have an interesting mix of Otomewo, Ledbetter, Lacy, Jefferson and RHH. 

Just don't see where you add much onto this group. If it's ANY group I would be eyeing right now on the roster? It's the offensive line room. Due to lack of experience, injury concerns and overall play as a team.

I agree.

Use of Linebackers as edge rushers and rotating other big guys at the big end spot in 4-2-5 will allow all the depth they need for pass rushers.  

There are ELEVEN players rostered for that defensive front 4 not counting the LBs that may rush from he edge at times. 
I don't see any glaring need there. 

The DB rooms look fine to me too.  
Darby/Campbell outside, 
Cisco + Johnson or Savage at safety
 and three guys that can play nickel led presumably by Jarrion Jones. 
Brown and Prince backing up the outside in addition to Jones/Johnson.  That's fine. 

Yeah - it's still IOL depth for me that is the only glaring need that would really ease my mind.

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Maybe, maybe not:

Secondary:
Andre Cisco - S
Darnell Savage - S/Nickel
Daniel Thomas - S/Special Teams
Jarrian Jones - CB3/Nickel
De'Antre Prince - CB5
Ronald Darby - CB2
Antonio Johnson - S/Nickel 
Montaric Brown - CB4
Tyson Campbell - CB1 

I don't think they can really add much more there. You have Campbell and Darby as your outside corners. You have Jones, Brown and Prince as your third, fourth and fifth corners. Your safety room offers nickel versatility as well in heavier packages. This also still leaves the door open for Wingard and/or Gipson's return to the active roster. Which will be in October at the earliest I believe. 

EDGE:
Joshua Hines-Allen - DE
Travon Walker - DE
Myles Cole - DE
Arik Armstead - DE
Devin Lloyd - Potential EDGE backer at OLB
Yasir Abdullah - Potential EDGE backer at OLB

This doesn't factor in Hamilton and Maason Smith's presence inside and ability to effect the passer. You then have an interesting mix of Otomewo, Ledbetter, Lacy, Jefferson and RHH. 

Just don't see where you add much onto this group. If it's ANY group I would be eyeing right now on the roster? It's the offensive line room. Due to lack of experience, injury concerns and overall play as a team.

So relying on 7th round pick Myles Cole, 5th round Abdullah who hasn't shown anything and Lloyd? As pass rushers in case something happens to Walker or HA?

Like I said, they need EDGE depth. Not overall Dline but the edge.

Comes down to scheme and tendencies. The biggest weakness on defense last year was clearly a presence lacking from within the interior. They addressed this with Maason Smith's selection and adding Armstead who is really interchangeable for this front overall. You're also getting Hamilton back healthy. 

I just don't think they view EDGE depth as highly as we do. Otherwise, why did they trade Gipson yesterday to Seattle for a 6th RD selection? They must feel confident in Nielsen's play calling abilities along with their staff's ability to mold first and second year players.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Did we seriously keep that 4th rounder on the roster? [BLEEP] is up with Baalkes pride? It’s like man this might be your last year here, get the absolute BEST players on your 53, you don’t have time to think of development

Where the [BLEEP] do you guys get this stuff? Baalke isn't even in the room much less anywhere near the hot seat at this point.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Both Little and Robinson are free agents after the year and I expect both to move on. I think Foster will be the right and Harrison will flip to the left.

Little I think they'll figure out a way to resign him for a fair deal. He's had limited starting experience and asked to play LT, LG and RT with various starts. He's earned another contract with this football team. 

Harrison to LT makes sense. Keeping Little to duke it out with Foster in year two at RT makes even more sense to me on paper. Spares the team having to find yet another player via the draft or free agency to develop when you already had Little here for three years in this system with Pederson and Taylor.

Just based on the last couple seasons I don't think Little is in the long term plans. He hasn't played his way onto the field and you don't generally give second contracts to those kinds of players. More likely he might also feel like he's been shafted here and want to go somewhere where he thinks he'll get a fair shake.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Did we seriously keep that 4th rounder on the roster? [BLEEP] is up with Baalkes pride? It’s like man this might be your last year here, get the absolute BEST players on your 53, you don’t have time to think of development

Where the [BLEEP] do you guys get this stuff? Baalke isn't even in the room much less anywhere near the hot seat at this point.

What's the fun in bleating for months about fixing the offensive line if we can't also inexplicably turn on a 4th round OL rookie for not being a starter 3 months after his selection? 

Embrace the chaos!! 

LOL

BTW - for those of you keeping score on the draft prospect value chart:

Javon Foster (14th pick of 4th round)  prospect grade from NFL.com after combine, profile and scouting reports = 6.18
"good backup with potential to become starter" 

Parker Washington (8th pick of 6th round)  = 5.95
"average backup or special teamer"

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Most intriguing player on the 53: Myles Cole.

I think Baalke took a flyer based on measurables, and it looks like it might pay off. I've been watching him, and it looks like he has serious potential as a pass rusher.

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Maybe, maybe not:

Secondary:
Andre Cisco - S
Darnell Savage - S/Nickel
Daniel Thomas - S/Special Teams
Jarrian Jones - CB3/Nickel
De'Antre Prince - CB5
Ronald Darby - CB2
Antonio Johnson - S/Nickel 
Montaric Brown - CB4
Tyson Campbell - CB1 

I don't think they can really add much more there. You have Campbell and Darby as your outside corners. You have Jones, Brown and Prince as your third, fourth and fifth corners. Your safety room offers nickel versatility as well in heavier packages. This also still leaves the door open for Wingard and/or Gipson's return to the active roster. Which will be in October at the earliest I believe. 

EDGE:
Joshua Hines-Allen - DE
Travon Walker - DE
Myles Cole - DE
Arik Armstead - DE
Devin Lloyd - Potential EDGE backer at OLB
Yasir Abdullah - Potential EDGE backer at OLB

This doesn't factor in Hamilton and Maason Smith's presence inside and ability to effect the passer. You then have an interesting mix of Otomewo, Ledbetter, Lacy, Jefferson and RHH. 

Just don't see where you add much onto this group. If it's ANY group I would be eyeing right now on the roster? It's the offensive line room. Due to lack of experience, injury concerns and overall play as a team.

So relying on 7th round pick Myles Cole, 5th round Abdullah who hasn't shown anything and Lloyd? As pass rushers in case something happens to Walker or HA?

Like I said, they need EDGE depth. Not overall Dline but the edge.

I'm not as down one Abdullah as you are. The staff have talked him up in pressers, unsolicited. 
Not sure he's shown "nothing" 

I think it is the staff's confidence in him and in Cole that varies from your perspective most, but maybe they intend to make a move. Who knows? 

Baalke definitely stays on the phones until the deadline.

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