He is likely assuming Caldwell gets canned after next season if we don't hit a certain amount of wins. I really don't see it. I don't think Khan is going to do the whole hire a coach then fire him the next year based on what he has done with Gus/what it would do to our franchise (make it less attractive, no one wants questions around their job security when they come here). If that's how Khan is viewing things, I feel pretty confident they'd just fire Caldwell now.

Next year probably not but the following year I'd say Caldwell will be canned if we still aint winning.

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Next year probably not but the following year I'd say Caldwell will be canned if we still aint winning.

Yeah, and likely deservedly so if that's the caset. That likely is also an indictment on the coach we hired though as they didn't help turn around Bortles/find a QB. I can see something like that, but coaches get fired after 2 years is at least somewhat reasonable, especially in our situation.

 

I mean, Bowles for NYJ nearly got fired after a 10-6 year in his first year with nothing at QB this year to do anything...if we have back to back years being 6-10 or below than obviously something is seriously wrong here with GM/Coach.

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As far as I know, Caldwell is in his last year on his contract.  So if Khan hired another GM after the 2017 season and didn't let go of the coaching staff, the new GM would have to agree to a head coach and staff they had absolutely nothing to do with.  This means the most "logical" solution is to let go of Caldwell before the 2017 season, or extend him.  The problem is there is no superstar GM to sign, ever.  You are at best signing another David Caldwell who you somehow hope to be better than David Caldwell...

My thing is you don't want to fire a GM but keep a coach. That severely limits the GM candidate pool. Most want to have their guy, not come in and keep someone else that they had no hand in hiring. So if you fire/let go of Caldwell after next year, than that means the HC is LIKELY out. I just don't see it happening. Caldwell's seat is hot, sure, but not as hot as some fans believe imo. I think he's got 2 years before things get serious regarding his job.

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Yeah, and likely deservedly so if that's the caset. That likely is also an indictment on the coach we hired though as they didn't help turn around Bortles/find a QB. I can see something like that, but coaches get fired after 2 years is at least somewhat reasonable, especially in our situation.


I mean, Bowles for NYJ nearly got fired after a 10-6 year in his first year with nothing at QB this year to do anything...if we have back to back years being 6-10 or below than obviously something is seriously wrong here with GM/Coach.

No its perfectly reasonable from our perspective. Just from a potential HCs perspective the whole scenario doesn't offer as much job security as other places, especially with Bortles as a ? at the moment.

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No its perfectly reasonable from our perspective. Just from a potential HCs perspective the whole scenario doesn't offer as much job security as other places, especially with Bortles as a ? at the moment.

See, I don't agree. 49ers are an organization that is known for their quick trigger finger. LA less so I guess with Fisher being mediocre as heck while being there 5 years, but Stan Kroenke is a terrible owner to work for. In LA, the expectations to win will likely be quicker.

 

In LA, you also are tied at the hip with Goff like I've said. If he fails, your gone. Here, if Bortles sucks next year, the coach will be able to get his guy in 2018 at the QB spot. If Bortles hits, than he looks like a genius for turning him around and we're good to go long-term.

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See, I don't agree. 49ers are an organization that is known for their quick trigger finger. LA less so I guess with Fisher being mediocre as heck while being there 5 years, but Stan Kroenke is a terrible owner to work for. In LA, the expectations to win will likely be quicker.


In LA, you also are tied at the hip with Goff like I've said. If he fails, your gone. Here, if Bortles sucks next year, the coach will be able to get his guy in 2018 at the QB spot. If Bortles hits, than he looks like a genius for turning him around and we're good to go long-term.

49ers are rebuilding and are looking likely to get a competent GM in. The clock will only really start ticking for that new HC when they pick a QB.


In LA yeah you probably ride and die with Goff. That still gives you 2 or 3 seasons at the minimum depending on how he performs.


If Bortles bombs on us next year and we win 2/3/4 games I'm not sure Caldwell would survive and be given the chance to pick another top 5 guy.

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@adamschefter Rams are requesting permission today to interview Jaguars' interim HC Doug Marrone for their HC job, per source.

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Jacksonville has the least amount of job security for a new HC.

We are not Cleveland. We don't fire our coach every year. 

 

If nothing else, Khan's patience with Bradley should be a message that we are not the Browns. 

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Calling Deshawn Watson a future bust since 3/19/17. If I eat crow, I will keep this in here and proclaim JackCity a genius. 

This franchise is in no position to hire another novice head coach. Our last overhaul was a novice GM, novice HC, novice OC, and demoted DC from Chicago. You see how that turned out.

 

There are a lot of reponsibilities on a head coach which are not on a coordinator. We don't need another Head Coach forced to learn on the job.

 

Regards........................the Chiefjag

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I'm gonna make a crazy guess and say because he watches football.

 

Only on Sundays, Mondays, and sometimes on a Thursday. The rest of the week, I'm watching Cobra's mom getting plowed on pornhub.  Very enlightening. #FlyingCamel

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This franchise is in no position to hire another novice head coach. Our last overhaul was a novice GM, novice HC, novice OC, and demoted DC from Chicago. You see how that turned out.

 

There are a lot of reponsibilities on a head coach which are not on a coordinator. We don't need another Head Coach forced to learn on the job.

 

Regards........................the Chiefjag

 

This is my opinion as well.  One of the reasons I would love to see Coughlin back

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This franchise is in no position to hire another novice head coach. Our last overhaul was a novice GM, novice HC, novice OC, and demoted DC from Chicago. You see how that turned out.

 

There are a lot of reponsibilities on a head coach which are not on a coordinator. We don't need another Head Coach forced to learn on the job.

 

Regards........................the Chiefjag

 

Agreed which is why I'd like to see Mike Smith or Doug Marrone.    Coughlin is a proven winner but at this stage of his career, he's not the answer.  

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Agreed which is why I'd like to see Mike Smith or Doug Marrone.    Coughlin is a proven winner but at this stage of his career, he's not the answer.  

 

Right now I agree.   My first two choices would be Mike Smith or Doug Marrone.   Those would by my choices, and I think those would be Caldwell's choices, too.    All these other guys seem to carry a lot of risk.   Caldwell is down to his last chance.   He has to get this team to .500 or lose his job.   So right now, he isn't thinking Super Bowl.   He's thinking can we just get to a winning record and save his job.  I'm speculating, of course.  But if I am right, that would mean he will pick an experienced coach who has had some success in the past. 

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The question is if Osweiler was his guy or forced on him.  They certainly didn't pay him back up caliber money.  

rumor has it, ol' B.o.B. didn't even know they were getting him, til they got him.

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Assuming Coughlin is out, I voted Mike Smith.   I think Mike Smith can take a team out of the gutter and into the playoffs so that fits our goal.   However, if we were traditional 9-7 team looking to advance in the playoffs (like the Eagles from years ago w/ Andy Reid) then Mike Smith would not be my choice because he gets ultra-conservative in the playoffs.  Since we're not even close to being there, I'll take Mike Smith for now to get to the playoffs then looking for advancement in the playoffs later on down the road.

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This franchise is in no position to hire another novice head coach. Our last overhaul was a novice GM, novice HC, novice OC, and demoted DC from Chicago. You see how that turned out.

 

 

.... sounds like you're still struggling a little with getting on board with the 5-year Rebuild   :thumbsup:

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.... sounds like you're still struggling a little with getting on board with the 5-year Rebuild   :thumbsup:

 

If only it was really a 5 year rebuild instead of this, what 8 or 9 year and counting rebuild.

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

The coach I want is the one that leads us to and win a Super Bowl ring

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If only it was really a 5 year rebuild instead of this, what 8 or 9 year and counting rebuild.

2017 is year 5 of the current rebuild since I feel like being nitpicky.

 

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