I really think if Clowney is on the board, when the dust settles, the Jags will be picking at #6. 

 

So you think the Jaguars would trade down instead of taking Clowney?

 

I'm not sure I would do that.

 

Deep draft or not, Clowney is a star caliber player.

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So you think the Jaguars would trade down instead of taking Clowney?

 

I'm not sure I would do that.

 

Deep draft or not, Clowney is a star caliber player.

 

I do.  If Caldwell could get the right value in trade for the pick, I'm thinking he'd pull the trigger on a trade.  While Clowney does have the star caliber thing, it's possible the Jags could slide to 6 and still land a guy with star caliber, and have extra picks to go with him. 

 

Granted, it would need to be one heck of an offer to trade out of 3 and pass on Clowney.

 

That being said, what are the odds he's there....seriously. 

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I do.  If Caldwell could get the right value in trade for the pick, I'm thinking he'd pull the trigger on a trade.  While Clowney does have the star caliber thing, it's possible the Jags could slide to 6 and still land a guy with star caliber, and have extra picks to go with him.  1


 

Granted, it would need to be one heck of an offer to trade out of 3 and pass on Clowney.  2


 

That being said, what are the odds he's there....seriously.  3

 

1. I rarely get upset by Front Office moves, but if they let Clowney walk past them that would make me upset. We're talking have-to-take-a-few-deep-breaths-before-I-finished-off-my-beer level of upset. Draft picks are nice to have and all, but draft picks are tools that are used to get good players. Why not just take the great player?

 

2. I can't imagine what the package would have to be, for me at least, to trade back. Now, that little phrase in the middle of the sentence is key here because what I want is as about as relevant as my sock selection on a random Tuesday. What Caldwell wants is what's important but if a potential star-caliber player is in play, you have to know that the price is going to be really really steep.

 

3. In the words of Andrew Bernard: "I'd say there's a none percent chance." Seriously, he's not gonna be there. Houston ain't that dumb and Fisher will take him if they are. I love the idea but it's just not going to happen.

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Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

I do.  If Caldwell could get the right value in trade for the pick, I'm thinking he'd pull the trigger on a trade.  While Clowney does have the star caliber thing, it's possible the Jags could slide to 6 and still land a guy with star caliber, and have extra picks to go with him. 

 

Granted, it would need to be one heck of an offer to trade out of 3 and pass on Clowney.

 

That being said, what are the odds he's there....seriously. 

 

Slim.

 

Even if the Texans are not inclined to take him, I think they are likely to trade out of that spot to someone who may want him.

 

Certainly the Rams would look to trade out of 2 if Clowney is somehow still on the board.

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Let's see...Miami traded a 1 for Paul Warfield and won two Super Bowls.

 

The Steelers spent a 1st round pick in 1974 and took Lynn Swann, following that up later in the same draft and took John Stallworth and won four Super Bowls.

 

Washington, who utilized very few first round picks under Bobby Beathard, used one to select Art Monk.  They wound up winning 3 Super Bowls with him.

 

The 49ers traded multiple picks to move up to 16th overall and selected a guy named Jerry Rice.  They won 3 more Super Bowls after that move.

 

Dallas selected Michael Irvin in the first round in 1988, spent a second rounder on Alexander Wright in 1990,  a first rounder in Alvin Harper in 1991, a 2nd rounder in Jimmy Smith in 1992, and a second rounder in Kevin Williams in 1993, and they won 3 Super Bowls in the 1990s.

 

The Colts spent first round picks on Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and won a Super Bowl.

 

The Steelers spent a first round pick on Santonio Holmes and won a Super Bowl.

 

If you don't want Watkins, that's fine.  But don't pretend that Super Bowl champions have never invested early at the WR position.

 

...and how many of those were taken at 3rd overall, or even top 5?

 

Thats my point with the WR position. You don't chase it high in the draft.

 

ESPECIALLY not in a deep draft at the position, like this year...

 

So you think the Jaguars would trade down instead of taking Clowney?

 

I'm not sure I would do that.

 

Deep draft or not, Clowney is a star caliber player.

 

I would for the right offer. I wouldn't swap out of the 3rd for peanuts...but for the right offer, Clowney or not, I'd trade down out of it. 

 

You take Clowney.

 

You take Clowney or trade down. You DON'T take another player at 3 with Clowney on the board, thats probably THE only thing you don't do, or shouldn't. 

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They would have a hard time explaining trading away the chance to take Clowney. He is the most likely player from this draft to be a transcendent superstar.

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They would have a hard time explaining trading away the chance to take Clowney. He is the most likely player from this draft to be a transcendent superstar.

 

ANd the Rams traded away the chance to select RG3, who was the last player left from that draft who was seen of that status...

 

I'd have no problem with the Jags trading down with another team that wanted Clowney at their pick, so long as they got a good compensation. 

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ANd the Rams traded away the chance to select RG3, who was the last player left from that draft who was seen of that status...

 

I'd have no problem with the Jags trading down with another team that wanted Clowney at their pick, so long as they got a good compensation. 

 

And nobody is giving the Jaguars three first round picks for Clowney. The RGIII trade was a once in a lifetime type deal.

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And nobody is giving the Jaguars three first round picks for Clowney. The RGIII trade was a once in a lifetime type deal.

Agreed.  No team is ponying up 3 1sts.  An extra first for him?  Maybe. 

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...and how many of those were taken at 3rd overall, or even top 5?

 

Thats my point with the WR position. You don't chase it high in the draft.

 

ESPECIALLY not in a deep draft at the position, like this year...

 

 

 

None.

 

However, the Rams took Torry Holt 6th overall and wound up winning a Super Bowl.

 

Trading 3 draft picks for one like the 49ers did for Rice is the equivalent of "chasing" a WR.

 

Drafting 5 WRs in the first two rounds over a 6 year period would be the equivalent of "chasing" WRs.

 

I do agree with you in the sense I would be reluctant to take a WR high in this draft given the depth of the receiver class.

 

But taking a WR in the first round is not incompatible with championship football. 

 

I absolutely agree with you that staying at 3 and not taking Clowney if available would be a colossal mistake.

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None.

 

However, the Rams took Torry Holt 6th overall and wound up winning a Super Bowl.

 

Trading 3 draft picks for one like the 49ers did for Rice is the equivalent of "chasing" a WR.

 

Drafting 5 WRs in the first two rounds over a 6 year period would be the equivalent of "chasing" WRs.

 

I do agree with you in the sense I would be reluctant to take a WR high in this draft given the depth of the receiver class.

 

But taking a WR in the first round is not incompatible with championship football. 

 

I absolutely agree with you that staying at 3 and not taking Clowney if available would be a colossal mistake.

 

I wouldn't select another player at 3 with Clowney on the board....That doesn't mean I wouldn't trade out of the pick for the right deal. 

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And nobody is giving the Jaguars three first round picks for Clowney. The RGIII trade was a once in a lifetime type deal.

 

Probably not, but that doesn't mean 3 first rounders is the only good deal the Jags should take in exchange for trading out of the pick. 

 

I'd trade down into the lower half of the top 10 for a 2014 second, a 2014 3rd, and a future selection in the 2015 draft. 

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I wouldn't select another player at 3 with Clowney on the board....That doesn't mean I wouldn't trade out of the pick for the right deal. 

Understood.

 

The three options, in terms of desirablilty, under a Clowney available at 3 hypothetical:

 

1.  Take Clowney.

 

 

 

2.  Trade down for as many picks as humanly possible.

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3.  Take someone other than Clowney and not trade down.

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Understood.

 

 

 

 

I'm just trying to be as concise as possible BEFORE the fact with what I want to see out of this draft, so the liars can't say that I'm "changing my tune" after the draft. 

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Does anybody really think Clowney wil be there at 3?

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Does anybody really think Clowney wil be there at 3?

 

I don't...but strange things happen in the draft.

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While technically possible...it just seems so unlikely.

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While technically possible...it just seems so unlikely.

Agreed completely.

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But then there's this...

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...e-clowney/

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