if we win I will take us seriously as playoff contenders due to our division. I still think our offense is not good enough to beat good teams who can put points up, but that's ok, a 2-0 start and a big lead in the division is more than anyone could have hoped for

I believe houston has seattle after this week and tennessee has tough games to, its not crazy to think the rest could be 0-3 and we usually do well in London.. a 3 game lead on everyone would be insane

but, we have to win this week, Tennessee is coming off a loss and will want it bad, we are without our best WR and teams know that, let's see what happens

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I understand the respect you have for the tacks, but how do you explain the last game we played against them?

You mean the game with Matt Cassel starting at QB for the TItans?

Matt Cassel had one game start last year and that was Week 17 against the texans.

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if we win I will take us seriously as playoff contenders due to our division.  I still think our offense is not good enough to beat good teams who can put points up, but that's ok, a 2-0 start and a big lead in the division is more than anyone could have hoped for

I believe houston has seattle after this week and tennessee has tough games to, its not crazy to think the rest could be 0-3 and we usually do well in London.. a 3 game lead on everyone would be insane

but, we have to win this week, Tennessee is coming off a loss and will want it bad, we are without our best WR and teams know that, let's see what happens

Actually, Houston goes to New England in week 3, while Tennessee hosts Seattle, but your larger point here remains sound.  I've been arguing this the past few days.

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I understand the respect you have for the tacks, but how do you explain the last game we played against them?

You mean the game with Matt Cassel starting at QB for the TItans?

Cassel did not start that game.

Mariota started that game, and was 8-20 before Day knocked him out the game.

In fact, he played until there were 53 seconds remaining in the 3rd Quarter.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/b...tm#all_pbp

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Will Bortles remain the QB? Then my answer is "unequivocally no"

Don't you remember who the QB was last time we played against Tennessee? He wore #5 and threw for 325 yards without a pick.

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I started taking them seriously the last two games of last season when the adults took over the reins and what we saw Sunday seems like an extension of that.

I have little faith in the Colts and suspect Luck won't play this season or maybe ever again for them. Hometown radio is absolutely blowing up over the possibility. Houston looks flatter than a pancake and Watson, I suspect, will not be much better than Savage or Osweiller over the course of the season. I think it's us against the Titans for the division at this point.

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Are you going to take us serious? 2-0. With a 2 game lead.

Or nah

2-0 with a 2 game lead of the division.  Yes I would

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NFL teams usually take two to four weeks to establish their identity. But if the Jags beat the Tacks in the same fashion they played the Texans then the road ahead is rosy for Jags.

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if we win I will take us seriously as playoff contenders due to our division.  I still think our offense is not good enough to beat good teams who can put points up, but that's ok, a 2-0 start and a big lead in the division is more than anyone could have hoped for

I believe houston has seattle after this week and tennessee has tough games to, its not crazy to think the rest could be 0-3 and we usually do well in London.. a 3 game lead on everyone would be insane

but, we have to win this week, Tennessee is coming off a loss and will want it bad, we are without our best WR and teams know that, let's see what happens

Actually, Houston goes to New England in week 3, while Tennessee hosts Seattle, but your larger point here remains sound.  I've been arguing this the past few days.

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You mean the game with Matt Cassel starting at QB for the TItans?

Cassel did not start that game.

Mariota started that game, and was 8-20 before Day knocked him out the game.

In fact, he played until there were 53 seconds remaining in the 3rd Quarter.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/b...tm#all_pbp

My bad then. I was thinking Mariota had long been on IR by then.

Last year had its own subplots that fed into the game. It's a different year and I'm looking at matchups. Week one the Jaguars owned the trenches and won handily in Houston, but week two in the bank is a different story. I'd love to be wrong, but right now I see the Titans owning the trenches in this game and coming out on top. 

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NFL teams usually take two to four weeks to establish their identity. But if the Jags beat the Tacks in the same fashion they played the Texans then the road ahead is rosy for Jags.

Historically, most teams that lose their first three games have missed the playoffs since a 12-team field was created. We are reminded of that fact every year. For some reason that is true no matter how those teams end up down the stretch. So if we beat the Tacks Sunday and they lose again next week, a division title is more likely than not for the Jaguars. But it is important to remember what they always say . . . ANY GIVEN SUNDAY.

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If we do it like we did against Houston I would. Last week didn't look like a fluke but this week proves it. This is big. I could see everyone else in the division starting 0-3 easily. This game will tell me we are bringing it every week and can be a team that can be a consistent winner.

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No pain, no gain.

It all depends on the quality of the game. If we lose a hard bloody slog by 3 points, I will take them seriously.

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Wait. So FB02 watches 'game' film, dissects the Oline and personnel, constructs depth charts, etc etc

But does not remember the most basic details of the Jags best game in a season in which they only won 3? Just in December? Against the team that absolutely had to win the game to make the playoffs? In which the said non starter was drastically injured? Documented to depths in this very forum and beyond?

You cannot make this up.

And now the foresight? Notwithstanding the titans' most recent outing against a weaker D, albeit a good coach who masks deficiencies admirably?

You cannot make this up.

At least us mere fans can just send good vibes to the team and hope they win. Go Jags, crush the vile tacks.

Carry on football minds

(Mind the lack of proper syntax; purposely crafted...)

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Success is a journey, not a destination.  Go all out Mighty Jaguars.

I'm to take them serious for what? Marrone ball won't get us a SB and isn't a recipe for consistent winning in this league. Still, at least we won't be a laughing stock any more. In 3 years we'll have a new coach who understands that passing the football isn't a sin.

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I'm to take them serious for what? Marrone ball won't get us a SB and isn't a recipe for consistent winning in this league. Still, at least we won't be a laughing stock any more. In 3 years we'll have a new coach who understands that passing the football isn't a sin.

Oh, snap!  Somebody better go tell the Seahawks they didn't win the Superbowl in 2014!! 

(525 rushing attempts  - 454 passing attempts) 

LOL

Don't you think maybe they are just mitigating the mistakes of a QB who throws too many picks?  Get a better QB in Jax and there will be better balance. Until then, they should run i as much as possible.

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I'm to take them serious for what? Marrone ball won't get us a SB and isn't a recipe for consistent winning in this league. Still, at least we won't be a laughing stock any more. In 3 years we'll have a new coach who understands that passing the football isn't a sin.

Oh, snap!  Somebody better go tell the Seahawks they didn't win the Superbowl in 2014!! 

(525 rushing attempts  - 454 passing attempts) 

LOL

Don't you think maybe they are just mitigating the mistakes of a QB who throws too many picks?  Get a better QB in Jax and there will be better balance. Until then, they should run i as much as possible.

They had arguably the best defense in NFL history. Try again. And no, I don't think that is what Marrone is doing. This is his actual offensive philosophy.

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Oh, snap!  Somebody better go tell the Seahawks they didn't win the Superbowl in 2014!! 

(525 rushing attempts  - 454 passing attempts) 

LOL

Don't you think maybe they are just mitigating the mistakes of a QB who throws too many picks?  Get a better QB in Jax and there will be better balance. Until then, they should run i as much as possible.

They had arguably the best defense in NFL history. Try again. And no, I don't think that is what Marrone is doing. This is his actual offensive philosophy.

No. You are taking one hyperbolic statement he made to the press and jumping the shark with it. 

If his offensive philosophy is so skewed to the run, why did the 9-7 Bills under Marrone pass the ball 579 times and run it 402 times? 

Just give it time. He and Hackett will let Bortles open up every now and then, and when they have a QB they can trust they'll throw downfield on PA enough to keep you happy.

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I'm to take them serious for what? Marrone ball won't get us a SB and isn't a recipe for consistent winning in this league. Still, at least we won't be a laughing stock any more. In 3 years we'll have a new coach who understands that passing the football isn't a sin.

Oh, snap!  Somebody better go tell the Seahawks they didn't win the Superbowl in 2014!! 

(525 rushing attempts  - 454 passing attempts) 

LOL

Don't you think maybe they are just mitigating the mistakes of a QB who throws too many picks?  Get a better QB in Jax and there will be better balance. Until then, they should run i as much as possible.

I think the meme that Bortles makes too many mistakes misses some nuance. He's been put in a situation in his career that his mistakes mattered a lot because the defense was badly coached and poorly prepared. The offense was, too, but the attitude seemed to be that Blake needed to make everything work, and at times he did.

I think the Marrone way of game planning so far looks more like Coughlin or Belichick game planning, accepting that they can't just write "have Blake take care of it" on the game plan notepad and go get some more ice cream. Instead they recognize that each game is different and the same plan won't work in all situations.

The Jaguars on Sunday against the texans was very different from the Jaguars last year against the titans. I expect this Sunday the game plan will feature Fournette heavily, but not just be the same as last week.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Jaguars even manage to pass it more than they run it.

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Oh, snap!  Somebody better go tell the Seahawks they didn't win the Superbowl in 2014!! 

(525 rushing attempts  - 454 passing attempts) 

LOL

Don't you think maybe they are just mitigating the mistakes of a QB who throws too many picks?  Get a better QB in Jax and there will be better balance. Until then, they should run i as much as possible.

I think the meme that Bortles makes too many mistakes misses some nuance. He's been put in a situation in his career that his mistakes mattered a lot because the defense was badly coached and poorly prepared. The offense was, too, but the attitude seemed to be that Blake needed to make everything work, and at times he did.

I think the Marrone way of game planning so far looks more like Coughlin or Belichick game planning, accepting that they can't just write "have Blake take care of it" on the game plan notepad and go get some more ice cream. Instead they recognize that each game is different and the same plan won't work in all situations.

The Jaguars on Sunday against the texans was very different from the Jaguars last year against the titans. I expect this Sunday the game plan will feature Fournette heavily, but not just be the same as last week.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Jaguars even manage to pass it more than they run it.

I think they are absolutely, without a doubt,  game-planning to mitigate his mistakes. That doesn't mean he won't be asked to throw it 30 times against various defenses that don't tend to force the QB into mistakes as often. 
They are just going to be very choosy about when and where they trust him to pass the ball. 

His mistakes in the past are what they are. We can paint a picture of how bad the team and coaching around him was at the time, and that's fine. But right now, this regime is not convinced he won't keep making too many (albeit less) of those mistakes. Perhaps he'll begin earning more trust as the season wears on. I hope so. 

I think they are wise to take much of the offense from Blake's shoulders, and I believe it may help him in the long run.

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Well, defeating the tacks would be a huge step in proving we have a legitimate shot at the division this season. Considering what our schedule is like compared to what others in our division are facing one would almost have to think that if the Jags can just go out on the field and not utterly lay down and die... then yes, we should be considered legitimate contenders in our division.

But least we get too hasty keep this in mind; we must prove this week if the week one victory over an ailing Houston team was just a fluke or if we're the 'real deal'. The Houston defense is good but 'one dimensional' in that they specialize in the pass rush. If an opponent can put an offense on the field that goes 'old school' and puts the emphasis on smash mouth style running the ball with passing as a compliment instead of the main course... you effectively negate the tinhorns main defensive strength. 

Did the Jags game plan with this specifically in mind or did it have a lot more to do with just trying to minimize Bortles opportunities to turn the ball over via interceptions and fumbles? Or does it have more to do with running Marrones style of play that he's used else where? He's been saying all off season that we're going to become a 'run first' team. I suspect it's some of all the above... with the benefit of negating the tinhorn pass rush being a happy side effect.

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I'll take the Jags seriously when they go .500 in the first 8 games.

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I ain't no monkey... I'm an ape.