So far the two weaknesses he has shown for me are his thin body frame and his release point on his throwing motion. 

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Slow your roll, shangster! Haha I don't think he's gonna be an elite QB, so lets not include me on these infamous lists.

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My bad, I thought you were that high on him as a prospect.  Where do you see his ceiling?  My opinion is a more mobile version of Matt Ryan.

 

Also, if anyone subscribed to ESPN Insider, I would love to see the recent written piece by Mel Kiper on him as a prospect.

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Yeah, I have him somewhere around there as well. Maybe a weaker arm than Ryan but better touch. I think he's as much of a surefire franchise QB as you'll find, but not for sure an elite QB. That's why I like the Ryan comparison; Ryan is a franchise guy who isn't elite.

 

I would classify him as a high quality safe pick. I'm just not sure he can overcome a lack of physical tools, but if he can, watch out.

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Marcedes was a #28 selection. He's been around a long time and has played at a generally high level. I'll give that one to Shack, it was the right pick in the spot. Just because you don't personally like a player, doesn't mean he's a bust. He's been our best first round selection since HenderStroud.

 

 

Marcedes has been solid.  Seriously, your hate for him is quite weird.  Yes, he's overpaid.  But when he is not that bad.  Has had a nice career here, hopefully he gives us a couple of good years coming up with a new QB throwing him the ball.

 

My dislike for the player is weird??? He's generally played at a high level????

 

Is this bizarro world???

 

He's had one good season out of his eight seasons here. 

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Pirkster, you really need to stop peeking over on the college board. Everyone knows you have virtually zero knowledge about nfl prospects.

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The fact that you would take jameis Winston ahead of teddy again just shows two things. You draft on players potential. Jameis has 1 season under his belt with a loaded team. He has been impressive in college but there are 100's of qbs that have been terrific in college and failed in the NFL. Right now I would trust Teddy more with an NFL franchise than jameis.

 

drafting based on a players potential is a huge gamble. I'm still not even sold on cam. He's fun to watch and he can find ways to score, but he is a guy that I would say looks better on the stat sheet than he is and winds up on sportscenter more often because he is exciting to watch convert a 4th down with his legs after he failed on the previous 3 downs with his arm.

 

lets see how jameis looks tonight and that will be a good segway into his potential for next season.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

and again pirkster, Rodgers, Brady and big Ben are recent qbs that weren't the number 1 QB, pick, or player and they seem to be having pretty decent careers.

 

like I said before, even people questioned manning. Some teams liked leaf better. Not everyone has the same opinion about a player. There doesn't have to be a consensus vote for Tb to be good for him to be good.

 

and I also disagree that the Texans being open to trade indicates that the think teddy isn't good, even though they need a QB. Its an established fact that O'Brien likes a certain type of QB so maybe 1.they prefer bortles game and wanna get some more picks. 2. Its just a feeler to see if they can get a huge haul of picks. 3. They were never going to take a QB there but might be willing to take a cut on a trade from another team to ensure the jaguars don't have teddy fall in their laps, or even 4. They're not rebuilding. Maybe they have plans for a QB not in the draft. Someone they can use to win now.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

I'd even debate that considering most of the 10 qbs don't have elite tools. Rodgers arguably with his arm, but everyone else I don't think so. 

 

Edit: Cam Newton

 

If anything, this shows that it is more important to get the QB with the mental/intangibles first. As you mentioned before, the top QBs today are often considered to be Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Brady. Of those, only Aaron has an "elite" arm strength...and you know what? He didn't have that when he came in (which is part of the reason he slipped in the draft, behind Alex Smith).

 

Which means...of the four "elite" QBs...three of which have a stronger arm now than they did when they were in college (Brees, Rodgers, Brady).

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This article was written April 13, 1998 about a week before the draft.


<a class="bbc_url" href='http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1012545/1/index.htm'>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1012545/1/index.htm</a>


There was no debate with the people who actually make the decisions.


As for the part in bold:



<a class="bbc_url" href='http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/story/2012-03-07/Peyton-Manning-Colts-Ryan-Leaf/53400044/1'>http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/story/2012-03-07/Peyton-Manning-Colts-Ryan-Leaf/53400044/1</a>


Its fun to make stuff up isn't it?

 

By the week before the draft....

 

Meaning...it took the entire Colts FO staff turning every single stone to go with Manning...and even then it took them pretty much the entire draft process to make that decision.

 

http://articles.philly.com/2010-02-03/sp...ches-draft

 

 

And a week before the draft, they still weren't sure who they were going to take.

 

<p style="font-family:arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">"It wasn't like we already had said, 'OK, Peyton's the guy.' We hadn't done it," Mora said. "We still weren't sure which way we were going to go. It was that close.''

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<p style="font-family:arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">Not before having some 11th-hour doubts, though. Polian is one of the best judges of football flesh in the game. But less than a week before the draft, he started having some concerns about Manning's arm strength.

<p style="font-family:arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;"> 

<p style="font-family:arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;"> 

<p style="font-family:arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">Believe what you want...if Manning was the consensus as you seem to think to be the case...that decision would not have taken that long and pain-staking for the Colts.

<p style="font-family:arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;"> 

<p style="font-family:arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;">EDIT: By the way, did you even read the link you posted? Here's a direct quote from that USAtoday link you posted:

<p style="font-family:arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;"> 

 

In the days, weeks and months leading up to the 1998 draft, the debate raged on the national stage and in the private recesses of the Colts' West 56th Street complex. At its essence, the discussion bounced from Manning, the polished prospect seen as more NFL-ready and, at worst, the "safe" pick, to Leaf, the quarterback with the bigger arm and bigger upside.

 

Anyone arguing to the contrary today as the Colts face a similiar Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III choice is knee-deep in revisionist history.

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He's not overrated. He's just good. Very good.

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Not gonna read through 11 pages, so forgive me if someone already gave the answer as to why Bridgewater is overrated on THIS board.  And he is, BTW.

 

Answer:  Because he beat the Florida Gators.

 

I'm ashamed to admit it didn't come to me earlier this year.

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Not gonna read through 11 pages, so forgive me if someone already gave the answer as to why Bridgewater is overrated on THIS board. And he is, BTW.


Answer: Because he beat the Florida Gators.


I'm ashamed to admit it didn't come to me earlier this year.

That has nothing to do with it.

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If you re-read that, I never said that Mallett > Dalton.


What I said was Mallett has the kind of tools and game that if he reaches his potential can be a SB caliber QB.


He's an aggressive downfield QB. He goes out and makes plays (albeit in college but thats all we have to go on as of yet)


I'd take a chance with a QB like Mallett before I'd waste time with an Andy Dalton, Alex Smith or Nick Foles type. They all play the same way. Overly conservative. When they try to play out of character and be aggressive (which doesn't come naturally to them) the results usually aren't pretty.

I keep seeing you mention Alex Smith. He has on multiple occasions rose to the challenge when asked to do more then manage a game. He threw for 378 yards with an 8.22 average and 4 T'S against indy without his best player on the field.

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I swear, if some people here got what they want, they'd be waiting for the next good QB to come out every year.  We'd end up starting Henne every single year because something would end up being wrong with Teddy, or Manziel, or Bortles, or Winston, etc.  None of them are perfect!  

 

Fear of drafting a QB is real on this board and it's stupid.

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If anything, this shows that it is more important to get the QB with the mental/intangibles first. As you mentioned before, the top QBs today are often considered to be Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Brady. Of those, only Aaron has an "elite" arm strength...and you know what? He didn't have that when he came in (which is part of the reason he slipped in the draft, behind Alex Smith).

 

Which means...of the four "elite" QBs...three of which have a stronger arm now than they did when they were in college (Brees, Rodgers, Brady).

The mental intangibles are the most important aspect about playing qb in the NFL. Knowledge of the game and the toughness to find a way is the key.

 

Bridgewater and Johnny rate the highest in the key aspects for me

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That has nothing to do with it.

Are you SURE about that?  The Gator fans around here tend to overrate their own team, and by extension, overrate the competition that beats them.  The Bridgewater hype started just after the Sugar Bowl, and has been steadily building steam.  It's not like Louisville is a one-man team either.  They quietly had one of the best defenses in the country this year.

 

Which is actually my biggest question mark about Bridgewater:  How will he fare against elite competition?  The best team he faced this year was UCF.  We know how that ended.  Their unranked bowl game opponent was a joke, too.

 

It's one thing when the University of Cincinnati is sending their best at your best, and another thing entirely when you have Watt in your face or Mathis at your waist. 

 

I'm not against drafting him, mind you, I'm just agreeing he's overrated by this board.  And there are many reasons, but one is the Gator factor.  It's so ingrained here, I'm sure it just doesn't occur to people - especially the fans posting.  And I'm not sure he's the best QB in the draft.  In fact, odds are, he's not.

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I'm not a Gator fan, nor do I have any bias surrounding them. So I don't really know what you're trying to say.

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Are you SURE about that?  The Gator fans around here tend to overrate their own team, and by extension, overrate the competition that beats them.  The Bridgewater hype started just after the Sugar Bowl, and has been steadily building steam.  It's not like Louisville is a one-man team either.  They quietly had one of the best defenses in the country this year.

 

Which is actually my biggest question mark about Bridgewater:  How will he fare against elite competition?  The best team he faced this year was UCF.  We know how that ended.  Their unranked bowl game opponent was a joke, too.

 

It's one thing when the University of Cincinnati is sending their best at your best, and another thing entirely when you have Watt in your face or Mathis at your waist. 

 

I'm not against drafting him, mind you, I'm just agreeing he's overrated by this board.  And there are many reasons, but one is the Gator factor.  It's so ingrained here, I'm sure it just doesn't occur to people - especially the fans posting.  And I'm not sure he's the best QB in the draft.  In fact, odds are, he's not.

Matt Elam said Bridgewater was the best qb they faced that year

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I'm not a Gator fan, nor do I have any bias surrounding them. So I don't really know what you're trying to say.

Didn't say you were.  There's a lot of talk about Bridgewater on the national scene, that's for sure, but not first overall.  Not now, not a few months ago.

 

But on this very board, we had entire threads about how important it was for us to go 0-16 to lock up Teddy Bridgewater.  And add to that, a bunch of hand-wringing and diaper-soiling when we didn't.  Fact is, he may fall to us or even past us.  It reminded me of the Tebow crap a couple years back... did I say a couple years back?  I meant a few months ago.

 

The Gator factor is strong in this board.  And Teddy owned them in the 2013 Sugar Bowl.  It has made a difference here, in our forum, with the mania that has resulted from the Teddy echo chamber.

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