Who you cutting to free up 30M?

Bouye contract alone increases by 10M next year.
Bortles increases by 13M if kept...

Bortles and Malik

Malik saves you 9M

As it stands now Jax has -1M in cap space for next year : This doesn't include Colvin/Arob/Lee
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-.../cap/2018/

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Bortles, Hurns, and Ivory would be more than $33 million in savings with no dead money.

Bouye cap hit increase by 10M
Campbell cap hit increase by 6 M
Dareus cap hit increases by 5M

The guys already on the books are figured into next years number.  They aren’t adding more on top of it.

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Bouye cap hit increase by 10M
Campbell cap hit increase by 6 M
Dareus cap hit increases by 5M

The guys already on the books are figured into next years number.  They aren’t adding more on top of it.

Yea the guys on the book equate to -1M in cap next year...

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The guys already on the books are figured into next years number.  They aren’t adding more on top of it.

Yea the guys on the book equate to -1M in cap next year...

Yeah I know. I’m just not sure why you listed those guys out as if they’re affecting the already calculated figure any further. 

And also Bortles is down for $19m per your link.

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All possible cuts and savings for 2018:

Lewis - $3.75 million
Jackson - $9.5 million
Bortles - $18 million
Ivory - $4 million
Parnell - $5 million
Hurns - $7 million

Unless I'm missing someone (which is possible), I didn't see anyone else that we would have any real financial gain by cutting. The problem is that if we cut Bortles, Parnell, or Hurns, then we don't have anyone serviceable behind them. Ivory is all but gone IMO. If we cut Ivory and Hurns, we can sign Robinson for a $10 million-ish 1-year prove it deal.

What I foresee happening is that they sign Bortles to a 3-year $30 million-ish deal which would eliminate a lot of extra cash on his current $18 million number, release Ivory / Hurns, and sign Robinson to a prove-it deal. This would give us a couple years to develop another QB and figure out if we need to sign Robinson to a bigger contract.

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I broke it down a couple times in the past couple pages and posted links to exactly what the $$. No need for the 'something like that' estimations.
It's right there for all to see lol.
Regardless, I think it's just as simple as the old saying 'if it's too good to be true, it probably is'.
Again, maybe he turns it around - I sincerely hope he does.
But this wasn't an exclusive deal to the Jags.
The Bills have been trying to trade him rather than just cut him since he got sent home.
Anyone could have had him for a bag of football's.
We are lucky we didn't have to pay someone picks to take him.
Like I mentioned obviously saint Doug was ok with this or it doesn't get made but when he left BUF, Dareus was the 1st one blasting him in the media for all the bridges he burned here etc.
Again, I don't mean to be all doom and gloom.
Getting a new weapon is fun.
I just hope he turns into that weapon. The jags must have seen something none of the other teams did bc anyone actually WILLING to give anything could have had him.
Seems TC helped get this team in trouble in 1999 with $$. Hopefully this won't hurt if he remains who he's been for 3+ years.
It was a TERRIBLE contract that never should have been given out.
Buffalo just had a complex about keeping their own at that time and he made it clear he wasn't signing for anything less bc he's selfish. Another reason a restructure shouldn't just be assumed

It’s okay you guys got taken. Y’all traded an all pro tackle for a 6th rounder. Y’all are paying his ten million in guaranteed money this year and 14 million in guaranteed money next year against your cap. We pay 2 million this year and 10 next year with no guaranteed money after 2018 lol. It’s okay you don’t have to justify to us. We are on pace to break the sack record with out him. We don’t need him to be a weapon. If he is just a starter that is a win. After this move we have 30 million in roll over cap not space not including the cap increasing. We legit may have 40 million before any cuts being made. You may just be in denial and that’s okay. 

I can agree with you that you guys would rather get something for nothing but y’all are still footing the bill. Why not just keep him or get more? Why did y’all change the defense after paying him? Sounds more like poor management and coaching on the bills.

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All possible cuts and savings for 2018:

Lewis - $3.75 million
Jackson - $9.5 million
Bortles - $18 million
Ivory - $4 million
Parnell - $5 million
Hurns - $7 million

Unless I'm missing someone (which is possible), I didn't see anyone else that we would have any real financial gain by cutting. The problem is that if we cut Bortles, Parnell, or Hurns, then we don't have anyone serviceable behind them. Ivory is all but gone IMO. If we cut Ivory and Hurns, we can sign Robinson for a $10 million-ish 1-year prove it deal.

What I foresee happening is that they sign Bortles to a 3-year $30 million-ish deal which would eliminate a lot of extra cash on his current $18 million number, release Ivory / Hurns, and sign Robinson to a prove-it deal. This would give us a couple years to develop another QB and figure out if we need to sign Robinson to a bigger contract.

Rivera and Nortman.

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The guys already on the books are figured into next years number.  They aren’t adding more on top of it.

Yea the guys on the book equate to -1M in cap next year...

That doesn’t include our 30 million in roll over cap space or the most likely 10-15 million cap increase next year.

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Yea the guys on the book equate to -1M in cap next year...

Yeah I know. I’m just not sure why you listed those guys out as if they’re affecting the already calculated figure any further. 

And also Bortles is down for $19m per your link.

I was just pointing out the jump from 2017 to 2018.

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Bouye cap hit increase by 10M
Campbell cap hit increase by 6 M
Dareus cap hit increases by 5M

All of this is calculated in the 2018 allotment table I linked, and so is Bortles' 5th year option. We can pretty much keep the team as is, but filling any of our needs or trying to fix QB will take some work.

Trying to fix the QB is not too hard financially. Cutting Blake Bortles would cost nothing and we can draft a QB.

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Over The Cap has Abry Jones as cuttable next year.

Spotrac does not.

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When I 1st glanced at my BR update, Buf, Jags trade- my brain immediately went to Anquan Bolden. Glad its Darius. My baby mama threw a styrofoam football for him to sign at training camp and bopped him in head with it. Fun fact.

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You Gotta Be Able To Run Da' Rock~

All of this is calculated in the 2018 allotment table I linked, and so is Bortles' 5th year option. We can pretty much keep the team as is, but filling any of our needs or trying to fix QB will take some work.

Trying to fix the QB is not too hard financially. Cutting Blake Bortles would cost nothing and we can draft a QB.

Nothing says fixing the position like handing the reigns of a super bowl aspiring team to a rookie QB.

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Who you cutting to free up 30M?

Bouye contract alone increases by 10M next year.
Bortles increases by 13M if kept...

Bortles, Hurns, and Ivory would be more than $33 million in savings with no dead money.

More like $29 million and $3 million dead money.

The cap will go up by about the same amount as our rookie draft pool will so that's offset. We can cut guys like Poz, Ivory, Marcedes, and maybe even Parnell and save ~$20 mil then we have to figure out what to do with Arob, Lee, and Colvin. They will obviously take much more than that to keep so we're definitely going to lose some of them if not all 3. And then we have to figure out what to do at QB, TE, WR, SLB, and at least one starting caliber OG/RT...it's going to take some creativity like I said.

[BLEEP] and Lewis you can't cut because their not under contract next year

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-...ewis-4160/

I think Lewis is here 2018.

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Trying to fix the QB is not too hard financially. Cutting Blake Bortles would cost nothing and we can draft a QB.

Nothing says fixing the position like handing the reins of a Super Bowl aspiring team to a rookie QB.

It will not fix the position next season, but when a rookie QB is ready to take over, his cheap contract would allow us to keep Dareus beyond 2018/

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Bortles, Hurns, and Ivory would be more than $33 million in savings with no dead money.

More like $29 million and $3 million dead money.

[BLEEP] and Lewis you can't cut because their not under contract next year

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-...ewis-4160/

I think Lewis is here 2018.

My bad, Poz isnt.  We keep Lewis

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I broke it down a couple times in the past couple pages and posted links to exactly what the $$. No need for the 'something like that' estimations.
It's right there for all to see lol.
Regardless, I think it's just as simple as the old saying 'if it's too good to be true, it probably is'.
Again, maybe he turns it around - I sincerely hope he does.
But this wasn't an exclusive deal to the Jags.
The Bills have been trying to trade him rather than just cut him since he got sent home.
Anyone could have had him for a bag of football's.
We are lucky we didn't have to pay someone picks to take him.
Like I mentioned obviously saint Doug was ok with this or it doesn't get made but when he left BUF, Dareus was the 1st one blasting him in the media for all the bridges he burned here etc.
Again, I don't mean to be all doom and gloom.
Getting a new weapon is fun.
I just hope he turns into that weapon. The jags must have seen something none of the other teams did bc anyone actually WILLING to give anything could have had him.
Seems TC helped get this team in trouble in 1999 with $$. Hopefully this won't hurt if he remains who he's been for 3+ years.
It was a TERRIBLE contract that never should have been given out.
Buffalo just had a complex about keeping their own at that time and he made it clear he wasn't signing for anything less bc he's selfish. Another reason a restructure shouldn't just be assumed

Yeah we can all totally tell you’re rooting for the guy.

Sounds like a jilted lover to me..

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“Randy Moss lost a step. He’s not motivated and I don’t think the Pats can actually get anything out of him.”

Raiders fans after trading Moss away for nothing.

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Why are some posters indicating the the Bills actually got a fifth round pick?

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To all of the people that think we're cutting Bortles after this year, you're going to be disappointed. We're not spending money to load the roster with talent to turn the reigns over to a rookie. I think we'll sign Blake to a 2 year deal at years end at around $12 Million per year, and maybe draft a QB in the mid rounds. If you ever listen to DOUG talk about Blake, you can easily tell that he likes what Blake's doing, and believes he can be the guy. Barring a complete collapse this year, he'll be the starter next year.

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